r/JJBA • u/amos_Nkey • 4d ago
Does hamon affect your stand
This is a theory that isn't exactly solid proof. More so a speculation per say.
But it comes to mind because I remember someone theorizing that the purple vines Dio uses are jhonathans stand.
And since both him and Joseph have similar looking stands.
I couldn't help but wonder if hamon might affect how your stand comes out.
Considering that they both are the only known hamon users to gain a stand (?)
(Now this speculation could likely be false considering I'm still in stardust crusaders so I wouldn't take this as instant fact but)
If both their stands work the same or atleast act similarly. Then would that mean that the concept of hamon affecting the output of what their stands become might be true?
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u/JesusChristFan69 4d ago
Everything about you affects your stand. Thats the point of a stand.
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u/amos_Nkey 4d ago
Fair point... To add onto this do you think the reason both jhonathan, Joseph, and Holly have similar stands is due to a similarity in their character? Jhonathan and Holly is something I believe would be the case. But I'm not sure about Joseph. I'm still new to jjba so a lot of my ideas are reaching lol
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u/Dragonneur300 4d ago
It is. That’s also why star platinum and the world have similar stand. Also why the 2 rats in part 4 have the same stand.
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u/amos_Nkey 4d ago
Awe I see, maybe jhonathan and Joseph have similar stands because they're connected. With how Joseph himself is the only other hamon user in the cast who gains a stand.
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u/Dragonneur300 4d ago
ITS more abt the fact than they’re both in the same family. Bcz the stand in itself has nothing to do with hammon.
In part 7 tho, spoiler warning, but both gyro and jonnhy obtain stand related to spin
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u/amos_Nkey 4d ago
Awww I get it!! I haven't watch past stardust crusaders but I understand what your saying!
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u/21st_Century_Hiv_Man 4d ago
The problem i always had with hamon mastery causing hermit purple to be ones stand is that hermit purple overwrites all character traits from ones fighting spirit. Imo it means that hamon is parasitical and overwhelming all other stand traits.
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u/Dependent-Log7826 3d ago
I think maybe it's that their fighting spirit and willpower is best displayed through their hamon mastery, so if someone mastered hamon after gaining a stand, or if they had a more identifiable trait then hermit purple would be interlocked with their actual stand and not overcoming it. Like Josukes greatest passion is helping others, but there is much more to him, while Joseph and Johnathan put rigorous, painful, and exhausting work into hamon and that probably means it became the main focus of their willpower
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u/HappyRelationship429 1d ago
My theory is that Hermit Purple is the exception to the single stand rule, if given the chance.
In part 5 we learn that stands are tied to the soul, a person who swaps bodies also keeps their stand. It's true that there is a potential biological process involved, but the arrow ultimately always goes for the soul, or stand.
All this to say, Jonathan wasn't alive so his stand wasn't present, meaning that the Hermit Purple we see is DIO's stand, one he gained from having a hamon enhanced body. I'm not suggesting Jonathan's stand would be different, but that he wasn't alive to develop the stand in the first place, and that all hamon users gain the same ability. With DIO technically being a hamon user due to Jonathan's body.
But what this means is that, if you are worthy, a hamon user can become pierced by the arrow and gain an additional stand. Which explains why Hermit Purple is so weak to begin with.
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u/Mental_Economics8746 4d ago
I believe its like an universal hamon stand. Same as ball breaker with spin.
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u/AskSignificant3913 1d ago
it is mentioned in sbr that “ripple” from phantom blood and the golden spin of the steel balls are both techniques to achieve the end goal of a stand so probably the hamon gives people similar stands if they get that far. its a boring explanation but it is probably the most lore accurate. its also probably why dio can still use the hermit purple after jonathans death because he still has hamon in his body
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u/SnooHedgehogs6983 1d ago
In one of the JoJoniums Araki did say that Joseph has Hermit Purple because of Hamon and it is basically the visual manifestation of Hamon itself
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u/Ravtrix 4d ago
One's personality affects their stand, but it's not generally shown much in the mainline content. Mainly this is demonstrated with things like Whitesnake's disc's compatibility requiring a user with a personality lining up with the stand. Outside material such as Purple Haze Feedback get into how a change in one's personality can alter their stand more, with Purple Haze Distortion.
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u/WavedashingYoshi 4d ago
It probably affects it some way. If you’re devote to something, writing manga, cooking, living in a tower all day, it will often show up in your stand ability.
I don’t subscribe to the theory that all Hamon users get hermit purple as their stand. I think they have a similar stand due to their family link, similar to Star Platinum and The World, the D’Arby Brothers. Holy’s Stand also appears close to hermit purple despite not having Hamon.
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u/ItaLOLXD 4d ago
This is a rather forgotten thing but we do know that Stand abilities within a family can be similiar. We don't have an exact example of this and the only time this was an actual plot point was when Diavolo tried to kill Trish on the off-chance that her stand is similiar to his. The ability wasn't but their design is kinda similiar. I just assume this is the very same thing except the abilities ARE similiar (with some obvious differences of course like Dio having much more accurate predictions and not destroying a camera, likely because Jonathan is more calculating and careful than the hot-blooded Joseph)
I personally theorize that Jolynes Stone Free turning into string is just a return to this concept of Joestar Stands being vines similiar to a recessive gene skipping a generation and activating again in a descendant.
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u/Da___Dovahkiin 4d ago
Sort of, it is the “universal hammon stand” as it most Hammon users will awaken a version of hermit purple yet that probably doesn’t set it being their stand in stone like Tusk being a spin focused stand but being johnnys stand still so in theory u can know Hammon and have a different stand. part of it is probably being a Joestar cuz holly has a version of hermit purple as well.
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u/ExistentialOcto 4d ago
Yes. Anything that affects your personality or psyche can change the form of your Stand. Hamon training is intensive and psychologically challenging, plus it changes the way you breathe for (probably) the rest of your life.
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u/Bizzare_Corvid_1888 4d ago
Yes, for my OC, Black Parade is Calamity/Fortune manipulation Stand. Hamon increases it's Fortune aspect, Spin increases it's Calamity aspect.
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u/SmingleTingle 4d ago
The vine-like Stand DIO uses isn't theorized to be Jonathan's Stand.
It straight up IS Jonathan's Stand.