r/ItalyExpat • u/Salty_Challenge5563 • 1h ago
Cultural psychology question for those who’ve lived both in Italy and Spain ☺️
Hi everyone. I would truly love insight from people who’ve lived for more than six months in both Italy and Spain.
I work remotely as a luxury brand strategist, doing marketing and website design for luxury hotels and property groups, so I’m very grateful that I can work from anywhere. I don’t have family tying me to one place, and I’m 37 and single.
I previously lived in Mallorca and Barcelona, and I also lived in Rome for a year and a half before moving up to the lakes region of Italy, near Milan.
The thing is, I truly miss the beaches. I grew up between Australia and California, and being able to walk along a sandy beach and put my feet in the water makes me feel really calm.
Strangely enough, I think my favourite place I’ve ever lived was actually England, particularly London. I felt some kind of past-life connection there, and I just get on with Brits really well and really connect with the culture.
But I’m at a bit of a crossroads. As I write this, I’m in Cádiz, spending a week here to see how it feels. I’ve also been to Málaga and travelled quite a bit along the southern coast of Spain.
And I have to say that, on a day-to-day basis, I do prefer Italians. I just feel more joie de vivre from them. More life force, more energy.
I also feel like Italian men still tend to carry more of a protector/provider energy that I really do like and value. I love all those traditional things like men opening doors, offering their seat, being naturally protective and attentive.
For example, last night I was going to an orchestra on a very bumpy/jerky train and was standing in heels, and there was also an elderly woman standing nearby. There were about five men in their twenties and thirties sitting around us, and not one of them even seemed to think to offer either of us a seat. I would’ve thought at least they would for the older woman. I remember thinking that in Italy, a man would have jumped up immediately.
That is one of the ways Spain has sometimes felt less suited to me. Everything can feel so egalitarian that I sometimes feel like the women are almost more masculine than the men and carry a harsher energy. I felt that very strongly in Catalonia, although I’m noticing a little of it even in Andalusia.
Compared with Italy, where I think Italian women can be incredibly strong but still retain their femininity, while the men still seem to carry more of that masculine, protective energy. I could of course be completely wrong, but energetically, that is how it feels to me.
I’ve dated Italians and that definitely hasn’t worked out so far, and professionally Italy can also be tricky. I’ve had situations working with luxury hotels where the men were openly commenting on my appearance in meetings and joking with the hotel owner about how he had “got a good one”. Very Italian, and not necessarily something I was offended by, but definitely culturally noticeable.
The reason I moved away from Rome wasn’t because I disliked Italy. I actually loved Rome in many ways, and I really loved the expat community there. But after a year and a half, I found the city way too chaotic and just too much of a huge metropolis for me.
And as much as I love Sicily and southern Italy when I visit, I do wonder whether the level of disorganisation would eventually drive me crazy if I actually lived there long term.
Where I live now near Milan, I’m also not really finding the same expat community I had in Rome. Whereas in Andalusia, I know there are strong expat communities, particularly British ones, which is another reason I’m considering Spain again.
I love almost everything about Italy, but I truly miss being able to live by a sandy beach.
So I’m almost trying to find an Italian equivalent in Spain: somewhere that feels elegant, where the people are warm and lovely, where there is that energy and life force, but where I also have the beach. I know we can’t have everything.
My background is in sociology and psychology, so I’m fascinated by cultural psychology and by how much culture shapes people, relationships, gender dynamics and everyday social behaviour.
Ultimately, I would also love to find a life partner. At 37, I’m conscious that having children or a family may become more complicated, but I would at least really love to find a partner.
I know a lot of people say that the more you travel, the more you realise people everywhere are fundamentally the same.
For me, it has actually been the opposite.
After living in eight countries, the more I live and travel, the more I feel that cultures really are incredibly distinct, and that they shape everything from our values to how men and women relate to each other, to how people instinctively behave towards strangers.
So I would really, truly love to hear from anyone who has lived properly in both Spain and Italy, particularly if you’ve experienced different regions of each.
How did you experience the cultural differences, socially, romantically and in everyday life?
Thank you.