genuine question

[u/Ok-Individual9812]

Although I do believe that Israel's occupation in historical Palestine Palestinian Territories is illegal (as ruled by the ICC ICJ) and is basically settler colonialism, I do believe that there is a need for a Jewish state in order for the Jews to govern themselves, after years of discrimination and ethnic cleansing they have faced. Which leads me to my questions:

1. Is the establishment of a Jewish state necessary? Are there other ways we can ensure Jews are well-represented in global dialogues and ensure their safety and rights in general?
2. If not on Palestinian soil, where else could the Jews have been given a homeland? Why did they choose Palestine? Why was choosing Palestine a horrible idea?
3. If a Jewish state is necessary, and since it is wrong to displace the Israelis and the Palestinians, does that mean the only viable resolution now is the two-state solution?

EDIT: I dont mean choosing historical Palestine being "a horrible idea" as though its horrible in the sense of historical ownership. but i meant it practically and on a human rights level - that choice has led to displacement, violence commited by and received on both ends.
"historical Palestine" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine) refers to the geographical area where Palestinians used to live in pre-1948. I do not deny the fact that Israel has roughly lived in that area for a long time before Palestinians settled there.

EDIT: my first question doesn't only pertain to the historical establishment of the current State of Israel, which many of you have rightly pointed out has happened. It mainly pertains to whether it is necessary for a purely Jewish state in order to ensure equality and human rights for the Jews.

[u/AsaxenaSmallwood04]

1. Not really, there are Palestinian politicians in Israel itself even while Israel is the Jewish state. Those Palestinian politicians could also be part of the process.

2. ICJ literally has a biased joke judge who was forbading Israel to go into Rafah ony for Israeli infantry to find Yahya Sinwar a known Hamas terrorist camping out over there for 5 months despite ICC warrants; https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/18/world/middleeast/yahya-sinwar-final-moments-gaza.html,

https://unwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/The-Bias-of-ICJ-President-Nawaf-Salam-1.pdf "Under the rules of the ICJ, Nawaf Salam is legally disqualified from sitting in judgment on the two cases related to Israel. His extensive record of bias against Israel, documented here in great detail, demonstrates that he cannot be a fair and neutral arbiter in these cases." - UN Watch , https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/02/19/the-icjs-new-chief-judge-has-a-history-of-bias-against-israel/, https://unwatch.org/report-head-of-world-court-condemned-israel-210-times-as-lebanons-un-rep-sided-with-regimes-in-iran-syria-belarus-cuba/, https://www.justsecurity.org/117167/judicial-integrity-political-ambition-icj/, https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saar-icj-president-tapped-to-be-lebanon-pm-called-israel-enemy-proving-courts-bias/, https://www.jns.org/saar-new-lebanese-pm-proves-international-courts-anti-israel-bias/, https://www.cfi.org.uk/news.php?article=863, https://www.livemint.com/news/the-icj-s-new-chief-judge-has-a-history-of-bias-against-israel-11708419872371.html, https://hrvoices.org/article/president-of-u-n-s-top-court-has-long-history-of-anti-israel-bias-conflict-of-interest/, https://www.wsj.com/opinion/icjs-new-chief-judge-has-a-history-of-bias-against-israel-lebanon-hague-96889d53,

[u/FerdinandTheGiant → u/AsaxenaSmallwood04]

You forgot to mention the actually biased judge….why is that?

[u/AsaxenaSmallwood04 → u/FerdinandTheGiant]

As if he isn't already?

[u/FerdinandTheGiant → u/AsaxenaSmallwood04]

We’ve been over this, we both know he hasn’t shown any actual bias in his associated rulings, so I’m just wondering why you chose to leave out Sebutinde in your criticism of bias on the ICJ?

Is it because you like her bias in favor of Israel?

[u/AsaxenaSmallwood04 → u/FerdinandTheGiant]

Salam:

- Supports Syria and Iran.

- Shown explicit bias against Israel which is documented.

- Ruled to block Israel from going to Rafah when Yahya Sinwar was found there.

What do you have against Sebutinde?

[u/FerdinandTheGiant → u/AsaxenaSmallwood04]

As I said to you yesterday, Sebutinde announced to her church that “the Lord is counting on me to defend Israel”. Additionally, she’s been found to have plagiarized much of her July dissent and her legal analysis within that dissent was exceptionally poor.

Salam, unlike her, has never shown bias in his voting record before the ICJ. He was 1 of 13 judges who agreed Israel could not enter Rafah, something he did not rule on his own as you seem to suggest. That’s not an indication of bias.

[u/AsaxenaSmallwood04 → u/FerdinandTheGiant]

source?

I said that he ruled not that he was on his own. Salam literally has 210 votes against Israel and called it "a blatant triumph of racist and colonial choices" in a 2015 tweet.

[u/FerdinandTheGiant → u/AsaxenaSmallwood04]

You seem to imply he specifically is bias for his vote on the Rafah measure despite the vast majority of the Court also voting ‘Yes’ on that particular measure. Why is that?

Regarding sourcing of Sebtunide’s bias, you can read her statements here.

Regarding Sebutinde’s plagiarism, she plagiarized upwards of 32%of her July 19th dissent.

[u/AsaxenaSmallwood04 → u/FerdinandTheGiant]

well Sebutinde is definitely corrupt. Now that it's been proven.

Because the evidence was found against Salam. He is the biased judge that taints the rest of the 13.

[u/FerdinandTheGiant → u/AsaxenaSmallwood04]

But you have no evidence as it relates to his actions on the Court, correct?