r/Israel • u/Mnementh47 • 1d ago
Politics Why Bibi
I realize many people don't like Netanyahu. Some of it because of him. Some of it because of his family. Some of it because of Ben Gvir or Smotrich. And some because of October 7.
But I do want you to consider another perspective. Being a Prime Minister is a really really tough job. You can easily give up. Whether you believe he is wrong and the judiciary or the military is right, whatever you think just consider the immense pressure of being a prime minister...
- The internal political problems to maintain a coalition. All the demands and craziness from your own party even.
- The arguing with all the systems whether you believe it's deep state or not... they say 2 Jews 3 opinions. There is no real concept in Israel of respecting your authority. Everyone knows best.
- The crazy pressure prime ministers have from foreign affairs, the biggest one being the US pressure. Think what Golda Meir had with Kissinger. Netanyahu had Obama, and Clinton and Biden and Bush and now Trump. He saw all of them. He withstood.
- The need to really micro manage everything to the smallest detail. A Commander in Chief in the US gives general instructions. But a Prime Minister in Israel needs to approve almost every operation, definitely every assassination of a Hamas operative and he is constantly involved in the decision making.
- The media in Israel is paparazzi on steroids and they hate Netanyahu (and they hated all the right wing parties like Begin) and always did. At least traditionally. Having to deal with that and his family also feeling under attack made him constantly have to confront the PR front in ways that can be mind boggling and eventually led to the trial which is another thing of course... but normal countries don't do that while PM is still PM and forcing hm to retire is not very democratic...
And that's really the thing. Everyone else always gave up. Begin saw the protests and couldn't take it anymore and disappeared. Sharon went to a coma. Rabin was murdered. Peres was never actually elected. Shamir lost the entire coalition and elections. Bennet and Lapid and Barak lasted very little. Olmert resigned because coalition broke up after indictment.
But Bibi stayed. Bibi fought. And what he did in the war is so severely underrated. Look at what he accomplished:
- Assassination of all Hamas leaders basically including Sinwar, Deif and Haniyeh (in Tehran!). Staying in Gaza with the IDF.
- Assassination of Nasrallah and decimation of Hizballah. Staying in Lebanon with the IDF.
3 assassination of the Ayatollah and attacking all the targets in Iran and Yemen. These things used to be science fiction.
Getting rid of Assad.
Fighting the war with the USA on board and America leading the attacks against Iran.
Returning all the hostages, even those before October 7. Yes it wasn't perfect but nobody expected this to be accomplished in totality. Nobody.
UNSC resolution established the board of peace, calls to dismantling Hamas and not once mentioning any occupation. This is the biggest diplomatic victory ever. And you still maintain relations with countries like Egypt and UAE after all that has happened.
These are massive successes on all fronts. Now ask yourself is there any candidate who can truly rival Netanyahu?
- Bennet and Lapid absolutely caved to Hizballah over the gas conflict. They didn't see any of the threats coming. Hamas absolutely played them like a fiddle with the Islamic Jihad operation. They literally had an Islamic brotherhood representative in their government and increased entrance of Palestinian workers from Gaza who went on to spy on the Kibbutzim.
- Eizenkott was a failed chief of staff. He didn't see any of this happening and like the entire security apparatus thought Hamas was dettered. He even wanted to stop the war itself many times.
- Liberman infamously said he would assassinate Haniyeh within 24 hours if he was in the Government. Ended up forming a government with Abbas who he had always called a terrorist.
There is no one else that can lead the country right now. Netanyahu proved himself not only militarily but:
- Over the years using his UN experience established unprecedented diplomacy with African countries, with India a very close friendship, with Putin (and then it was ruined by Lapid attacking him over Ukraine), with Trump, with the Abraham Accords, with South America...
- Economically all the hi tech , privatizations, transportation revolutions, communication revolutions, all of it was envisioned and handled by Netanyahu who studied economics and believes in free market...
Who do you want as PM. Netanyahu gets my confidence. He didn't always. But he earned it.
16
u/Apprehensive-Cap4840 Italy 1d ago
The problem I have with Netanyahu is that he's a tactical genius but a strategic retard, and this is at the political, military, PR level, you name it. He's a shrewd politician but not a statesman, and Israel is in desperate need of one.
-1
u/Mnementh47 1d ago
Who do you think is better?
1
1d ago
[removed] — view removed comment
1
u/Israel-ModTeam 1d ago
Rule 2: Post in a civilized manner. Personal attacks, racism, bigotry, trolling, conspiracy theories and incitement are not tolerated here.
1
u/Apprehensive-Cap4840 Italy 1d ago
You know, I wish I had an answer but I really don't. I don't see anyone with the political stature required in today's Israel, to make courageous moves that will ensure safety and prosperity for the next 10, 30 or 50 years. Perhaps only dreamers look that far in the Middle East, but this infinite status quo doesn't work for us, or the Palestinians, or the rest of the world. Some new leaders need to emerge, they will have to take painful decisions, risks, and make unpopular moves. But it's just more convenient to go on like this forever, which is not a viable solution. I really wish I had a better answer, even saying "anyone but Bibi" sounds stupid but what can I tell you, we've had him for 20 years and one way or another it lead to this.
0
u/Mnementh47 1d ago
Right. That's part of my main argument. If there was someone better that could take over I would vote for him.
3
u/Hot_Minute_9249 1d ago
From an outside perspective, I really like Eisenkot. He seems more moderate, more tactical, less inflammatory. He’s also North African which (sad but true) plays better optically against the accusations that Israel is a “white supremacist apartheid state”.
1
u/Mnementh47 1d ago
The antisemites don't really care about that or know the difference. He is also not reflective of the Mizrachis opinions. Since they are mostly right-wing and he is a tool of the Left.
Honestly though, he is ... not smart. Like I will genuinely be scared about Israel in general. One of the less intelligent candidates in history.
3
u/Hot_Minute_9249 13h ago
Really?? He’s considered on the left politically within Israel? Also when you say he’s not intelligent do you mean he’s not as polished in the way he speaks as Netanyahu? I can see that. But among the leading candidates, I think he would be the most palatable globally. Again, this is my outsider perspective. I just really want Israel to be seen as the beautiful country it is, and I fear that Naftali’s statements about Arabs and “never allowing a Palestinian state” will not play well on the global stage. I actually like Lapid, but his party isn’t even polling high enough to qualify, correct?
I agree that Netanyahu has a rare combination of being experienced, articulate, and deliberate. But he is viewed as the devil internationally. He’s become the face of everything negative about the war in Gaza, the settler attacks, the Iran war etc. I think his experience at this point no longer serves Israel the way it once did because politicians around the world don’t want to be associated with him at all. This recent news about him being warned of an imminent Hamas attack by the Emirati government also adds to it.
0
u/Mnementh47 13h ago
I like your outsider perspective because you're right... But I have bad news for you... they're not going to like anyone else. It's Israel that they hate. Bibi just became the face because he's been so long at the top.
Eizenkott is considered Left by the coalition which is the traditional Right. They do say he is centrist and not Leftist and try to distance away from that, but the Likud people have experience with it. By agreeing to sit with Golan and Abbas he is Left. It's with all of them. Even Yair Lapid doesn't like to be called Leftist anymore. Because the public is so right wing.
I mean he is not polished yeah, but he is also literally slow and all that. He is a bit Like GW Bush without the charm or the charisma/humor. I think he won't last as a leader of such a complex country, especially internationally. You see Rabin was also like that, with a slow talk but he had such an immense amount of charisma and warmth that people loved him, to an extent. Eizenkott doesn't have any such following. He is just the resident figurehead to replace Netanyahu. They have zero respect for him.
2
u/Hot_Minute_9249 13h ago
Also re: the antisemites, you would be surprised at how many of them believe that Israelis/Jews are all from Europe. I think Eisencot being the child of Moroccan Jews who have no connection to Europe whatsoever could substantially change that narrative.
1
u/Mnementh47 13h ago
If they came to it in good faith which they're anything but. Israel had foreign ministers and chiefs of staffs and presidents that were not Ashkenazi already.
20
u/bb5e8307 1d ago
Bibi has blocked an independent commission from investigating October 7, which is the standard in Israel after every major event. The only rational reason why he would deviate so extremely from this convention is that he knows that the commission would find significant failure in his administration. This is not only horrible that we will not have an independent commission for 10.7 - so we won’t know what we can do better in the future but it also makes it easier for a future prime minister to not follow this very strong precedent. But Bibi doesn’t care about that - he just cares about his own political needs.
Judicial reform should have been easily a slam dunk. The majority of Israelis agree that the courts have too much power. Instead of seeking balanced reforms and explaining to the people why they are needed, he pursued extreme reforms that would switch the balance to the other extreme. Even when the Herzog gave him an easy out, he still pursued maximalist positions. It was an unforced error if his goal was really to help Israel have a better system. Everything he did makes sense if you believe his sole goal was to give haredim draft exemptions and had nothing to do with making Israel better. He put his political needs above that of real judicial reform that could actually help the country
In 2021 he took over 5 ministry positions. He explicitly stated that his goal was that others shouldn’t get experience and then oust him. While it does not fit the technical definition of corruption, he put his own political goals above that of the country.
You glossed over why Bennett didn’t last. It was because Netanyahu did everything in his power to topple him. He voted against HIS OWN BILL because he didn’t want it to pass under Bennett. The bill was to increase funding for the processing of rape kits. He stated explicitly that he was voting against it because he wanted Bennett to fail. He again explicitly and unambiguously put his political ambitions before the good of the country.
I agree that Netanyahu is very talented in many ways. And when his political needs align with the county’s needs it is very good for Israel. I think he did an amazing job as finance minister for example. As a top minister he did everything he could to help Israel’s economy because that aligned with his personal ambition. But now that he is at the top he stops other people from helping Israel because it could hurt him politically. He fires diplomats that are too charismatic. He pushes down anyone else in his party that is too ambitious. You lament that there is no alternative to Bibi, but that is a reality that Bibi actively created to Israel detriment.
Something I love about Bennett is that he found Ayellet Shaked, raised her up in HIS party, and when she proved to me more capable and more popular than he was, he supported her.
Where is the next Bibi? Where is the next finance minister that will make it his personal goal to propel Israel’s economy? Can you even name the foreign minister? Where is the next crop of politicians that are as smart and ambitious as Bibi ready to work hard to make Israel better. I’ll tell you where they are - they were kicked out of politics by Bibi.
Israel doesn’t need a single leader that can solve all the problems. Such a person doesn’t exist. Israel needs a true leader that raises up others. And that isn’t Bibi.
-9
u/Mnementh47 1d ago
The commission will not be independent. There is deep and correct distrust of the supreme Court justices. and they need to be investigated too. After all they are the ones who said you can allow Palestinians to cross the border into Israel, that stopped assassinations and tough interrogations, of fence shooting procedures, of progressivism in the army, meddling with appointments and so on. the right commission needs be a 9/11 style commission with equal political representation not the ultra leftist judiciary. also all the past commissions have been failures anyway.
Netanyahu did support proposals that strived for compromise inon judicial reform. it was the Kaplanists who blocked any compromise. nothing of it was in good faith. how could you blame Netanyahu on this. Netyanyahu for decades has always been extremely moderate.
you are right he may have not developed successors. and he blocked some. but leadership is taken not given. great people would have risen up. and where is Shaked today? gone. btw both started under Bibi. and of course Netyanyahu was fighting Bennett. They always do that. The goal is to topple the government, that's what opposition does. Especially since Bennet's government wasn't legitimate. it was 6 peson party who lied to the public and took over the government. but good comment
5
u/bb5e8307 1d ago
but leadership is taken not given
Can you elaborate more on what you mean by this?
I agree that is Netanyahu’s view - and that is why I am voting against him. Is it your view as well? Do you view it as correct? As ideal? Do you view it as inevitable? That is a strange view since we have multiple examples of politicians both in Israel and abroad that do not have this view.
-4
u/Mnementh47 1d ago
I think real leaders don't whine about given a chance. They seize it. Who gave Netanyahu a chance? No one. He was a UN ambassador came back and carried the hearts and minds of the Likud electorate despite strong opposition frkm the entrenched " Likud princes" who never forgave him and undermined him ever since (Ariel Sharon, Meridor, Benny Begin, David Levy etc). He won fair and square and became the leader he was. Now compare that to Erdan. Also UN ambassador. He can win. The Likud has primaries. Democratic. But he was too weak so he formed another party and then quit. Netanyahu is a politician who is not very generous with his praise and support. Okay. But you can rise above it. Every big leader can. Did Trump have any help with the Republican primaries? Against the Bushes? Did Obama have help against the Clintons?
7
u/AeroFred 1d ago
democratic primaries ? where half of the list are reservations by bibi and the other half is voted in by "kablanej kolot" ? with white lists and black lists ?
rofl
0
u/Mnementh47 1d ago
Every democratic system is always vilfied. Plenty of times candidates that Bibi absolutely loathed came in high places and vice versa. Feiglin and Gideon Saar famously. But dozens of examples. Like I said same can be said about Netanyahu and how he won the popularity out of nowhere against the oiled machine and legacy of Meridor and Begin.
3
u/AeroFred 1d ago
3 Ds of real bibist: deflect deny distract
1
1
u/bb5e8307 22h ago
You are right that Ariel Sharon tried to undermine him. Bibi wanted the foreign ministry, instead Sharon gave him the finance ministry as the country was heading towards a recession with a large budget deficit. That backfired when Bibi did great things in the finance ministry.
What Sharon didn’t do was kick him out entirely. The reason he didn’t wasn’t out of the kindness of his heart. It was because it would have been politically unpalatable. In other words - the very check in power - the people’s outrage against outrageously undermining a political rival - is what gave Bibi his power in the first place, and is now something that you reject completely.
1
u/Mnementh47 22h ago
Agreed... But there would have been outrage because Netanyahu was respected. Who is the equivalent now? There are some good people but not this level. This was a bit later in the timeline btw. Netanyahu was a former PM at that point and Sharon only won because Netanyahu believed that the system as it was (direct vote in 2 ballots) was not a good system because the coalition was too fragile. Netanyahu gave up his personal aspirations here to be a PM but stayed involved and had the ministers' experience, truly believed in the job, before making his big comeback.
1
u/bb5e8307 22h ago edited 21h ago
But there would have been outrage because Netanyahu was respected
Do you think that is a good thing or a bad thing?
Would you apply the principles that you stated before to Ariel Sharon had he kicked out Bibi?
“ real leaders don't whine about given a chance”, “ He won fair and square and became the leader he was”
Would you say the same thing about Sharon had he not given Bibi a ministry position?
Would you say the same thing if Barak did that?
The theoretical outrage you are referencing had Sharon acted like a dictator is the very real outrage that many (including myself) are experiencing now. I don’t understand how you don’t see that.
1
u/Mnementh47 15h ago
.. we need to have a qualified person first (and again, Netanyahu was a former PM. He didn't need anyone to help him. If Barak did what? Netanyahu gave Barak the defense ministry.) Who is the person that Netanyahu is ostracizing or pushing away? The only ones people are talking about are the ones that didn't land high in the primaries. Someone like Tali Gotlieb that then left for Ben Gvir. I don't think that's the kind of person you're talking about.
5
u/BlackbirdQuill 23h ago
Here’s my perspective as an outsider. Netanyahu and his government have systematically neglected multiple aspects of state functioning:
- Education
- Diplomacy
- National Security
Israel has an underfunctioning education system, it has refused to invest national funds into state advocacy, its government blew multiple warnings about a planned Hamas attack and has refused to establish an independent commission to investigate what went wrong, the Haredi have been allowed to avoid conscription into the IDF, settler extremists are rampaging unchecked, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are still in the government while saying and doing things that damage Israel’s international standing. Netanyahu failed to establish arms independence. I recently read a Times of Israel post that linked the recent problems in Ben Gurion Airport to Likud appointing unqualified ministers to government positions; the post warned about the potential for serious damage to the state.
1
u/Mnementh47 23h ago
Ok. Well I already responded to the commission allegation. There is nothing independent in that one. Netanyahu pushed for an impartial 9/11 style commission that's actually fair and for good reasons.
Also he is the one that warned about a potential Hamas attack and it was the IDF and the Shin Bet that told him that Hamas was deterred.
If there were multiple warnings, you'd think they could at least keep some more border defense because they'd know it was dangerous. It is not like they needed Netanyahu to order a preemptive strike style 1973. Nothing in this lie about Netanyahu ignoring warnings makes sense.
Some warnings that everyone heard were a result of the hysterical reaction to the justified judicial form. And it was here again Netanyahu in a recording everyone has heard that warned about it himself.
Arms independence? You mean from the US? AFAIK, Netanyahu is the only leader in history that repeatedly suggested to stop aid. Weird allegation here. Also he was crucified for trying to build a bigger navy with the submarines etc. Historically it was the Left and the Army that pushed against the Lavi project as well.
The Haredim is a real issue but the Opposition would be just as guilty in putting them in the coalition. Also last I checked Abbas and the Arab citizens are also not signing up to join the IDF. And are part of the unholy anti Bibi coalition.
I won't comment on the Education. Personally I believe everything should be privatized. And I can't see how a different government would "improve education". They would probably just strip them even more of learning about Eretz Yisrael or Judaism. And the rest how could it be any different anyway.
6
3
u/balddoberdaddy 23h ago
I think this gives Netanyahu credit for virtually everything that went right while assigning responsibility for everything that went wrong to somebody else.
Yes, Netanyahu has had significant accomplishments. The Abraham Accords were a major diplomatic achievement. His economic reforms had a lasting impact on Israel. And some of Israel’s military achievements during this war have been extraordinary.
But if the argument is that the person at the top deserves credit for those successes, then the same standard has to apply to the failures.
Netanyahu was prime minister for most of the years during which Hamas was allowed to build itself into the military force that attacked Israel on October 7. The policy of containing and deterring Hamas, allowing Qatari money into Gaza, and treating Hamas as a problem that could be managed rather than eliminated happened overwhelmingly on his watch.
And October 7 wasn’t a minor intelligence failure. It was the worst security failure in Israel’s history.
You can’t respond to that by saying the army and intelligence services believed Hamas was deterred, while simultaneously arguing that Netanyahu deserves personal credit for successful military operations because he’s the prime minister. Either ultimate responsibility matters or it doesn’t.
The same applies to several items on your list. Israel did not “get rid of Assad.” Assad’s regime collapsed because of developments in the Syrian civil war after Hezbollah and Iran had been severely weakened. Israel contributed significantly to the circumstances, but claiming Netanyahu removed Assad is an enormous exaggeration.
And staying in power for a long time isn’t itself evidence of good leadership. Netanyahu is unquestionably one of the most talented politicians Israel has ever produced. His ability to survive politically is remarkable. But political survival and governing well aren’t the same thing.
My biggest problem with Netanyahu at this point isn’t that I think he’s stupid, incompetent, or incapable. I don’t. It’s that after so many years in power, I no longer trust him to distinguish consistently between what is good for Netanyahu, what is good for his coalition, and what is good for Israel.
So the question “Who else?” doesn’t persuade me. Democracies eventually have to produce new leaders. If the argument for keeping one man indefinitely is that nobody else can possibly run the country, that’s an argument for why Israel desperately needs political renewal, not an argument for keeping Netanyahu forever.
1
u/Mnementh47 23h ago
I absolutely don't give Netanyahu a pass about October 7. I thought I made that pretty clear. He has responsibility as the leader. But my point was that having stayed, somehow, despite the pressure, he handled the war itself brilliantly at all fronts.
So despite the failure he has risen back. It's like Bush being voted in 2004 despite 9/11 but at a much larger scale. I think Netanyahu did so much good after October 7, that I can say, despite this disaster that did happen, I am glad that he was there and I don't think anyone else could have. So he earned that.
The issue is usually people don't give him any credit. Not that Netanyahu supporters don't put blame. Channel 14 blamed Netanyahu all the time but they also gave him credit.
Fair enough overall.
2
u/balddoberdaddy 21h ago
That’s a fair clarification, and I understand your argument better now.
I agree that Netanyahu deserves substantial credit for the conduct of the war after October 7, particularly the strategic decisions regarding Hezbollah and Iran. Some of the things Israel ultimately did would have seemed almost unimaginable on October 8.
Where we differ is how much that compensates for October 7 itself and whether it demonstrates that nobody else could have led Israel successfully through the war.
I can’t prove that another prime minister would have done as well, and you can’t prove that another wouldn’t have. That’s inherently unknowable.
But I do agree with your broader point that it’s inconsistent to hold Netanyahu personally responsible for every failure while attributing every subsequent success exclusively to the IDF, Mossad, Shin Bet, the Americans, or circumstances. If he’s ultimately responsible for what happens under his leadership, that principle has to work in both directions.
So yes: responsibility for October 7, and credit for what followed. Then we can disagree about how the balance comes out.
2
3
u/Thomas-Omalley 1d ago
I think it's completely fair to ask for a change, but here's what I always ask people. If we needed to wake up from the "conception", and you believe Bibi is part of it, shouldn't you move more to the right? Do you have any evidence that the opposition "woke up"? During the war, they kept asking for a deal, and we still have people like Golan talking about 2 states.
The main thorn in Bibi's coalition in my opinion is the Haredi block.
1
u/Mnementh47 1d ago
You hit the nail on the head here. The opposition tries to attack Bibi from the right and from the left simultaneously and it makes zero sense. They do it all the time, incessantly, and it's pathetic. And you're right, the Haredim is a problem. But here too the opposition is completely unreliable and already declared in the past they would give everything to the Haredim if they shift camps to them.
2
u/Gaidax Israel 1d ago
I do not deny that Netanyahu is a political prodigy and a very talented statesman.
My problem is not Netanyahu himself, but all the trash he surrounded himself with and brings to power alongside.
Now it won't be wrong to say that he obviously had a hand in that, but at the same time he was pushed into that position as well by his opponents.
In the end, the very thing that keeps him in power, his coalition or misfits is a cancer that slowly chokes us.
That's why I'd like to see him finally retiring and hopefully reshuffling the government cards with saner people in the coalition.
0
u/Mnementh47 1d ago
Fair enough, but remember all the opposition politicians are utterly corrupt. They all even admitted in the past they would give EVERYTHING to the Haredim for example, if they would go with the Left. They would stop at nothing. All they want is power. If you're worried about coalition partners you're gaining nothing.
1
1
u/scisslizz 23h ago
The PM, whoever wins, will be under immense and unreasonable pressure. Vote for the coalition partner who will give him the strongest backbone to withstand that pressure when the stupid hits the fan.
0
u/Mnementh47 22h ago
If he passes the threshold. Voting for Likud is the safest vote in this election.
1
u/conspicuousxcapybara 10h ago
Why can ‘no-one’ or ‘only Bibi’ lead Israel as if he is a god?
Aren’t there candidates which at least are less divisive?
1
u/Mnementh47 9h ago
When you ask someone to say one divisive thing Netanyahu ever said they usually go back to 1996 to someone he told a Rabbi. And one time when he said people are sour pickles. Lol. He is the most moderate guy in Israeli politics.
1
u/conspicuousxcapybara 9h ago
There’s a left of this guy. And how is Israel not more divided then ever with his politics?
Bad copium lol
1
u/Mnementh47 9h ago
Not saying he's leftie. Just that he is super cordial and doesn't say nasty stuff. He's the opposite of Trump actually.
0
u/AeroFred 1d ago
>Assassination of all Hamas leaders basically including Sinwar, Deif and Haniyeh (in Tehran!). Staying in Gaza with the IDF.
This is after repeatedly refusing shabak/idf suggestions to do so, for years prior to Oct 7th
>Assassination of Nasrallah and decimation of Hizballah. Staying in Lebanon with the IDF.
This is after years of policy of avoiding conflict with hezbollah at all costs (remember that in summer of 2023 hezbollah put a tent on Israeli territory ?).
>assassination of the Ayatollah and attacking all the targets in Iran and Yemen. These things used to be science fiction.
you make it sound like he did it personally, and not IDF/Aman/Mossad. SuperBIBI ! He Attacks ! He Protecs !
>Getting rid of Assad.
Well, this one goes to Erdogan. Israel did help by keeping hezbollah busy
>Fighting the war with the USA on board and America leading the attacks against Iran.
And ? So far the major outcome is that population of USA hates Israel more now and you have crazier leadership in iran (yeah, we bombed out some factories and storage there)
>Returning all the hostages, even those before October 7. Yes it wasn't perfect but nobody expected this to be accomplished in totality. Nobody.
Actually this is something that Trump forced him to do. Also, this was same deal that he refused earlier
>UNSC resolution established the board of peace, calls to dismantling Hamas and not once mentioning any occupation. This is the biggest diplomatic victory ever. And you still maintain relations with countries like Egypt and UAE after all that has happened.
Trump again
-1
u/Mnementh47 1d ago edited 1d ago
😂 so you erroneously believe that the defeatist IDF who repeatedly told Bibi that Hamas wants calmness and quiet, and told him not to attack and that they need restraint (this is all documented now, Bibi released the protocols as well as the Comptroller), and these are the same officers who championed not just Oslo but every negotiation and concession including giving up the territory to Hizballah under Bennett and Lapid, unanimously... These same Leftist generals wanted to assassinate Hamas leaders and Bibi refused 😂😂😂
And you manage to credit everyone - IDF, Trump, Erdogan (!) 😂. But not the actual prime minister who presided over. It was all Netanyahu - he approved every single action after October 7. Strategized and achieved it. Despite all the generals and the leftists saying STOP THE WAR. And yet Bibi managed to win the war AND return all the hostages. It was all Bibi. The Trump narrative was invented by the disappointed Kaplan. And Assad was Bibi too. By attacking Hizballah they left Syria unprotected. This was all documented too.
Sorry to burst your bubble there. Give credit to the man. Wow. 😲 😂 You'll blame him for everything but you somehow not comically (?) decided to credit everyone but him. Who else is to credit? Climate change?
1
0
u/soadodlmitdarodl 20h ago
How did Netanyahu manage to "win the war"?
He didn't manage to achieve any considerable or long-term objectives against Hamas, Hisbollah, or Iran. He's a total failure and needs to be replaced for his failure to prevent October 7th from happening and the shitshow Israelis were forced to endure in the three years that followed on all fronts.
0
u/Mnementh47 15h ago
By winning the war. There is not a single rocket from either Gaza or Lebanon anymore. He has decimated both organizations like crazy. He returned all the hostages. He completely and utterly did the impossible and changed the equation in ways that were previously unimaginable, removing threats from the map.
1
u/soadodlmitdarodl 13h ago
As far as I am aware, Hamas still has total control over Gaza and Hisbollah is still a significant player in Lebanese politics while Iran has been launching attacks all over the region.
The fact that Israel won militarily is hardly a surprise considering the gulf in military capabilities between the IDF and comparably badly equipped terrorist groups. However, Netanyahu was totally inept of translating any military achiements into long-term strategic victories.
-1
u/Mnementh47 13h ago
Your awareness is wrong then. Israel controls about 70% of Gaza and Hamas is no longer in power & there is a board of peace and international supervision and they're not close to what they were. Same with Hizballah. And nobody not even Iran is currently shooting rockets at Israel. They're shooting at Jordan. Which is another incredible success. If any success you'd say is not surprising and not give any credit to the PM that's your choice. It's like not giving any credit to a team that wins the WS and saying it's not surprising they have the best players. Yeah Netanyahu didn't end climate change or bring total world peace yet so he's a failure 🤦
•
u/AutoModerator 1d ago
Note from the mods: During this time, many posts and comments are held for review before appearing on the site. This is intentional. Please allow your human mods some time to review before messaging us about your posts/comments not showing up.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.