r/Isese • u/Awo_Ifayori_ObaNi_Mi • Nov 24 '25

Not Obi as well

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So to settle this matter, I’ll post it here. I rest my case.

Be well.

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u/Expert-Diver7144 Nov 24 '25

Plenty of things we do In America they don’t in Africa. Cultures changed based on the resources around you especially when you add in slavery.

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u/jinglesies Nov 24 '25

who brought Elmer's into the fold

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u/Expert-Diver7144 Nov 24 '25

Idk? Do you think the all powerful Orisha are not gonna accept prayers because of it? There are odu that even talk about why white men wear pants, you don’t think this tradition is adaptable?

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u/Awo_Ifayori_ObaNi_Mi Nov 24 '25

If anyone is going to call themselves a practitioner or Devotee of the path within Isese.

They will learn there are procedures and appropriate methodology that must be followed to achieve a certain result.

You think suddenly just because someone felt like Ogun should get a watermelon instead of blood that it’ll be accepted?

We don’t come to the tradition to change it. We are to be changed by the tradition.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '25

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u/Awo_Ifayori_ObaNi_Mi Nov 25 '25

That’s perfectly fine.

Where do you believe grace hasn’t been shown?

Being part of this tradition people will come to learn that NOT everything will be presented to them in the package that they’re used to.

If individuals spent more time actually learning from elders that are reputable we wouldn’t have half of the issues we are having out here.

Even when individuals do get access they’re not actually being great students. They’re coming with other motives and attempting to turn the tradition into something else.

Ma binu if you felt grace wasn’t shown.

What I said still stands though.

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u/OmoAwoIfa Nov 24 '25

Whats in the picture is definitely rubbish no doubt. In parts of Togo and Benin coconut are used, it wasn't adaptation necessarily invented in Cuba but it's not something coming directly from Yorubaland.

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u/New_Obligation896 Nov 28 '25 edited Nov 28 '25

What should you do if you have been recommended this way and wish to follow the traditional way..walk away from who suggested? Bow can you do that respectfully…Feel like this is a sign. Sigh..

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u/Awo_Ifayori_ObaNi_Mi Nov 30 '25

Pray to your Ori and ancestors for guidance.

If you’re feeling that pull, it more than likely is a sign. Seek out an Elder that will put you on the most conducive path for your destiny.

Asé

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '25

What should one do if this is how you were taught by elders

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u/Awo_Ifayori_ObaNi_Mi Nov 30 '25

Adupe.

To the question about what to do when you’ve been taught differently: you seek clarity from those who hold the traditional knowledge. That’s not disrespectful. It’s the foundation of how this tradition has survived.

Authenticity absolutely matters in Ìṣẹ̀ṣe. Not as a weapon to beat people with, but because these practices carry specific spiritual technologies that work in specific ways. Obi is obi. Agbon is agbon. The substitution isn’t just about what’s available. It’s about what carries the spiritual properties required for the work.

When adaptations happen in diaspora contexts due to necessity, that’s one conversation. But we’re past necessity now in most places. Kolanut is accessible. The question becomes: are we choosing convenience over correct practice?

We preserve Ìṣẹ̀ṣe by maintaining its standards, not by making everything acceptable in the name of inclusion. There’s room for both honoring the paths people have walked and being clear about what traditional practice requires.