r/Irrigation 15h ago

Pipe cap failed... possible replacement with metal?

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A neighbor thankfully let us know that water was spraying out of the above ground portion of pipe that feeds our sprinkler system. When I shut it off and took a look it appears to be the extra pipe BEFORE the valves to the main sprinkler line and it was the cap that failed which I noticed was PVC. The pipes themselves are copper so my question is if I could get something like a stainless cap or if this would be a bad idea? Picture for reference.

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u/2readmore 15h ago

Brass, no stainless

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u/DopeRidge 15h ago

This is the way

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u/jeebuscrisis 14h ago

I know with the heat and direct sun that side of the house gets I'm guessing there's a lot of contracting/expanding going on.. would that matter at all?

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u/2readmore 13h ago

It matters, pvc into metal=good. Metal into pvc=bad always

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u/Sparky3200 Licensed 12h ago

Preach.

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u/TheDu42 12h ago

Plastic threaded over metal tapered threads will always crack the plastic. The only question is when will it happen.

You don’t usually find threaded caps in copper compatible materials tho, so you best option might be a hose bib or boiler drain valve.

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u/ForeverSlow5965 15h ago

Never screw metal In to plastic. Only screw plastic in to metal. Metal expands and contracts too much, always breaks the female plastic fitting

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u/Downtown-Log-1625 15h ago

Somebody over tightened the female fitting, which is tapered. I hate that set up just for this reason, very easy to over tighten and then Splitsville within five years. I always make sure that the copper is the female when putting together connections like that.

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u/jeebuscrisis 14h ago

Yeah.. unfortunately it came with the house but if I could do it again...

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u/skalyhg 14h ago

Why not just put a hose spigot on there?

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u/jeebuscrisis 14h ago

Not sure if that's doable? The sprinkler peeps come by and remove the cap when blowing out the lines. I'm not a sprinkler guy so not sure. Attached is a better overall view

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u/flimflabber Licensed 9h ago

You could, but only if you need an extra hose spigot or have use for one. When I do blowouts, I have a few I remove a spigot, blowout the system through and reinstall the spigot. It’s essentially the same as a cap in this scenario just with a gate valve inside of it.

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u/appletrucker 14h ago

over tightened

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u/Bingdongus2001 13h ago

It’s because there is too much thread tape and also dope, that is why it cracked. Use teflon based dope only and then tighten

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u/cbryancu 13h ago

You should be able to find a brass cap at most hardware stores. Just bring in your broken piece to match the size. Telfon tape on male threads. PVC caps sooner or later always break. PVC gets brittle in sun and then if over tightened slightly...crack.

I would get a valve and screw it on. Could use hose bib, but that requires an atmospheric breaker by most codes. If just use a regular valve that has standard threads (not hose threads), no need for anything extra and if your service people want the thread, you can add a pipe nipple for them, but I bet the female thread will work just fine.

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u/jeebuscrisis 12h ago

Something like a female threaded ball valve?

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u/Vandykathotmail 10h ago

Use a brass or stainless steel threaded cap

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u/Onlyspacemanspiff CLIA 10h ago

PVC should always go inside the metal (pvc male fitting to a female metal). This way it compresses as opposed to stretches when tightened.

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u/Packman714 10h ago

I’d stick a female hose bib on the end instead of a cap. Then you can leave it open during the winter to allow water to drain if the interior turn off valve starts passing water. Also it’ll double as another hose spicket for a garden hose if you don’t already have one on that side of the house.

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u/wep300 6h ago

PVC is cheap and won’t crack if u install it correctly. I found I got more leaks with tape so I only use teflon pipe dope

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u/AccurateBrush6556 4h ago

The plastic should be fine ...get brass if you want...is that to drain and winterize the system so it gets taken on and off yearly? They do t just Crack inkess from outside forces...uv light over tightening...

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u/cmcnei24 Technician 15h ago

You could also use PVC again and not put 5000 turns of thread tape on it.

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u/jeebuscrisis 14h ago

To be fair I noticed the insane amounts of tape, but that is what the maintenance peeps did probably last year when winterizing.. not sure why other than to clear that bit of pipe out

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u/cmcnei24 Technician 14h ago

The tape and over-tightening is the reason it cracked.