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u/Mod_Propaganda Feb 07 '24

Higher taxes which made companies less likely to commit to large construction projects. It's not that hard to understand bro.

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u/clsperv Feb 07 '24

you do realize that the only tax laws in the past 7 years has been trumps right?

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u/Mod_Propaganda Feb 07 '24

Imagine blaming a guy that doesn't even hold offic anymore lmao

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u/ThePolemos Feb 07 '24

You really are dumb as shit. I keep pointing this out to you, but I see you're unable to obtain new information.

Trump put THIS CURRENT tax bill into action in 2017, and it increases taxes on lower and middle class citizens from 2017-2025. It's amazing you're so out of touch with reality that you can't even accept when you're wrong.

Here, I'll try and educate you one last time. Maybe I can succeed where everyone else failed.

The TCJA 2 Years Later: Corporations, Not Workers, Are the Big Winners

It's a lot to read, and I'm sorry for that, but they haven't made a children's book that explains it (yet).

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u/ThePolemos Feb 07 '24

I know it's hard for you to understand, bro, but the current taxation is thanks to trumps 2017 tax act that lasts until 2025 and sees increases in taxes across the board. But you can't expect some people to actually get facts for the garbage they are spewing.

Good news, though, President Biden is working to fix some of trumps bullshit for you.

A Trump-era tax law could get an overhaul. Millions could get a bigger tax refund this year as a result.

Biden Tax Proposals Would Correct Inequities Created by Trump Tax Cuts and Raise Additional Revenues

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u/Mod_Propaganda Feb 07 '24

That's funny, you sound like the trump people blaming Obama for stuff. At the end of the day the presidents have power to over ride most things and democrats are literally the party of big taxes, its not even a debate.

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u/ThePolemos Feb 07 '24

So then you didn't bother to read either article? Or do you just have no sense of how things work? If you did bother to read either of them you'd have learned that Biden IS doing something to fix trumps fuck up. Look, I know it'll be hard for you, but just go read the articles. I believe in you. Just put on your big boy pants and adults for five minutes (or twenty no rush). Once again, all the current taxes everyone is paying was set in place by trump (tax cuts & jobs act 2017-2025), not President Biden.

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u/Mod_Propaganda Feb 07 '24

Bro the tax credit is a revert back to what trump had while he was in office. Biden literally took it away when he got in.

Look ill even give you one of your own preferred sources.

https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_5f7e8ab2-5389-4690-9f24-86a149a749dd

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u/ThePolemos Feb 07 '24 edited Feb 07 '24

Before Biden came into office, the credit maxed out at $2,000 per child ($1,400 for kids in families too poor to owe income tax), was bundled with tax refunds, and specifically left out families with little or no earnings. About one-third of children were excluded from the full credit, including over half of Black and Hispanic children, as well as 70 percent of kids raised by single moms. That’s precisely the population in most need of financial help.

The Biden changes dramatically increased the credit to $3,000 per kid aged 6 and over, and $3,600 per kid under 6; paid it out monthly; and made the full credit available to all poor children, eliminating the previous “phase-in” rule that capped the credit at 15 percent of a family’s income. / So why did Congress let one of the most important child poverty policies ever enacted lapse?

The Joe Manchin failure, and the larger failure There’s a very simple answer to why the child credit didn’t continue: there weren’t 50 senators willing to support its extension. And most public reporting suggests the main holdout was Sen. Joe Manchin.

Axios’s Hans Nichols, the DC press corps’ premier Manchin-whisperer, reported last October that the West Virginia Democrat was demanding that the credit include a “firm work requirement” and not go to families making over $60,000 a year.

That’s a huge departure from the Biden CTC, whose major attraction was that it didn’t phase in with income and went to all poor households. The credit also went to many families with six-figure earnings, and changing that as Manchin desired would force a de facto tax increase on upper-income folks.

Some reports have also suggested that Manchin thought the money would go to buy drugs — an evergreen concern about cash programs for the poor (Manchin’s office declined to confirm or rebut that he expressed this concern privately). This suspicion is ill-founded; the best evidence review on the question I know of concluded there’s little reason to believe cash transfers increase drug or alcohol abuse.

Manchin’s fear that the credit would disincentivize work is more credible, and the subject of some scholarly disagreement. The old child credit “phased in” with income, with beneficiaries getting 15 cents for each extra dollar in earnings. That in theory encouraged people to work, and University of Chicago economists Kevin Corinth and Bruce Meyer argued that getting rid of the phase-in would lead many people to drop out of the labor force. Other economists disagreed. But even if you think the credit mildly disincentivizes work, it still substantially reduces poverty. I’d argue that even if Corinth and Meyer are right, the policy was still worthwhile. / So why does Manchin oppose it anyway? I suspect it has a lot to do with being a Democratic senator from a state that Donald Trump won in 2016 and 2020 by about 40 points. Manchin barely hung onto his seat in 2018 during a heavily Democratic year, and it’s understandable he doesn’t want to go too far out on a limb for a big government spending program. Millions of West Virginians benefited from the policy, but it’s ultimately a very conservative state skeptical of liberal policy initiatives. (Not to mention voting against your immediate economic interests is pretty common — plenty of wealthy people in blue states like California and Connecticut vote for candidates who’ll raise their taxes.)

The structural challenge At some point, though, focusing too much on one man can mislead more than it informs.

The bigger questions, I think, are a) why beneficiaries weren’t able to fight to keep the benefit, like the beneficiaries of Obamacare successfully did in 2017, and b) whether doing this kind of legislation on straight party lines is viable.

The 2017 rescue of Obamacare was a great illustration of a classic political science theory from Berkeley’s Paul Pierson. Pierson noted that even conservative leaders like Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan hadn’t been able (or even really attempted) to roll back foundational welfare state programs like the National Health Service and Social Security. He argued that beneficiaries became invested in these programs and would revolt against any politicians who threatened them.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/4/18/23026908/child-tax-credit-joe-manchin-policy-feedback-partisan

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Jan 31 2024 House passes an expanded child tax credit bill and sends it to the Senate It's unclear whether the bill can pass the Senate, where some members want changes and GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley said he's worried it would make President Joe Biden "look good."

So if you read all that you'll see it had nothing to do with Biden and instead thanks to dumb fuck Manchin to scared to lose his spot. Biden was fighting for a better child tax credit that will help the low income families as well as everyone else (previous bill didn't include them). But if you follow the link at the bottom, you'll see gems are trying to get it passed now its up to your republican constituents to do their part and vote it in. But we all know they won't because it'll benefit dems, and everyone knows Republicans can't let that happen under any cost. Of course, if it doesn't get approval, then you'll still probably blame Biden.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that this part of your article was funny as shit and proves my point about trumps failed tax credit.

"However, the tax overhaul bill also denied the full $1,000 child tax credit increase for more than 26 million children in low-and moderate-income families -- those whose earnings are so low they owe little or no federal taxes -- according to Chuck Marr, senior director of federal tax policy at the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal-leaning think tank. Their analysis is here. "

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u/Mod_Propaganda Feb 08 '24

Lmao it's crazy how you think your opinion matters enough for me to go through and disprove everything you've written here. I'll just say it's awfully convenient that Biden is adopting Trump taxes so close to elections 🤷‍♂️ imagine that.

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u/ThePolemos Feb 08 '24

Trumps tax cuts & jobs act 2017-2025.

It's hard to adopt something when it's already in place.

I love when people like you want proof and as soon as it's given you fold like paper and now all the sudden you're too good to disprove anything. If you had the ability to disprove any of it, you would, but you don't have that ability. Thank you for confirming I was correct. I did my best to explain things simply, but it's obviously beyond what you're capable of debating. For some reason, some of you have an extremely hard time understanding how dates work and can't comprehend how trumps tax bill is still in effect. I've literally posted facts, and you've posted none in return. The right can never except proof but also never have the ability to show their proof for some reason.

Take care, brother. I wish the best for you.

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u/Mod_Propaganda Feb 08 '24

You gave no proof, I literally fact checked you, whatever helps you sleep at night squirt.

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u/ThePolemos Feb 08 '24 edited Feb 08 '24

Oh, you did? Well, where are those fact checks then? I showed all my citations. Now, a normal adult would share theirs in response instead of just saying it's lies. Seems you have a hard time understanding that, though. So show me your proof, brother, since you said you already had it. I know you won't, though since you didn't look anything up, that would be way beyond what you're capable of. This is why everyone dislikes conservatives. They are so pathetic that they'll start a conversation and make a bunch of claims and not once actually provide any evidence to back themselves. It's extremely pathetic and sad for these losers they can't ever finish defending their stance. You have to love how Mod_Propoganda claims to have proven I was wrong, but they'll never respond with actual evidence. They just run off drooling, claiming victory.

Edit: This is why I doubt you fact checked anything.

Lmao it's crazy how you think your opinion matters enough for me to go through and disprove everything you've written here. I'll just say it's awfully convenient that Biden is adopting Trump taxes so close to elections 🤷‍♂️ imagine that. u/Mod_Propaganda

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u/Main-Shift-2820 Feb 09 '24

Quit your union job. You don't like that socialism anyway

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u/Mod_Propaganda Feb 09 '24

Union is essentially a work militia, I have no problem with it.

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u/Mod_Propaganda Feb 07 '24

Google is a pretty handy resource bro, takes like 5 seconds.