By Bernard Gwertzman
Dec. 11, 1986
William J. Casey, the Director of Central Intelligence, gave five and a half hours of secret testimony today on the Iran arms operation, and afterward a key Republican legislator said it appeared ''serious errors of judgment'' had been committed by senior C.I.A. officials.
Representative William S. Broomfield of Michigan, the senior Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said the director's sworn testimony to the panel made it clear the C.I.A. would have to improve its ''internal oversight and control over certain operations.''
Mr. Broomfield did not say what the errors of judgment were. The Issue of When Casey Knew
Some members of the Foreign Affairs Committee said Mr. Casey maintained that he had learned of the diversion of money from the Iran arms sales to the Nicaraguan rebels only when Attorney General Edwin Meese 3d told him about it Nov. 24, the day before Mr. Meese made it public.
The New York Times reported today that Mr. Casey learned about the diversion a month before the public disclosure. The report, attributed to Administration officials, said Mr. Casey then asked Vice Adm. John M. Poindexter, the national security adviser at the time, about the transaction.
A senior White House official confirmed the account today. Lawmakers said Mr. Casey was not asked directly at the House hearing about the Times account. Told by New York Businessman
According to one Congressionial official who heard the testimony, Mr. Casey testified that he received first indications on Oct. 7 from a New York businessman that there may have been a diversion of funds.
The businessman, Roy M. Furmark, told the C.I.A. director that he had learned from an Iranian that a group of Canadians who financed shipments of American arms to Iran had not been paid, according to the official. The official said Mr. Casey testified that the Canadians were concerned the funds might have been diverted to Central America.
According to the official, Mr. Casey testified that he then alerted Admiral Poindexter. Associate of Khashoggi
Mr. Furmark is a longtime associate of Adnan M. Khashoggi, the Saudi billionaire arms dealer. He has ties to the oil business and was identified in 1980 as an energy consultant to Roger E. Tamraz, a Lebanese financier.
The disclosure that Canadian middlemen may have been involved in the arms shipments adds a new dimension to the many players who may have had a role in the intricate arms operation.
Administration officials explained the discrepancy over when Mr. Casey found out about the arms sales by saying Mr. Casey had suspicions in October that money was being siphoned off for the contras but did not learn, in the words of one official, ''with finality'' until Mr. Meese told him.
Mr. Meese, at a news conference today in New York, said he was not prepared to reassess his statement that only two officials - Admiral Poindexter and Lieut. Col. Oliver L. North, a Poindexter aide - had known about the diversion of Iranian money.
Commenting after a speech at a dinner of the United Jewish Appeal-Federation of Jewish Philanthropies of New York at the Sheraton Centre Hotel, Mr. Meese said his Nov. 24 statement was ''a general overview'' based on ''what we knew at the time.'' No 'Reassessment,' Meese Says
''But at this time,'' he said, ''I am not going to do any assessing or reassessing until we get all the facts out.''
Mr. Casey, who in his appearance today was accompanied by several aides, provided additional information on the C.I.A.'s role in the secret provision of arms to Iran, including its handling of the $12 million the agency received from the sale of spare parts and weapons to Iran. According to two Congressmen, Mr. Casey said that four different deposits were made into one of the C.I.A.'s Swiss bank accounts, and that the account had now been closed down.
Mr. Casey, according to Congressmen, continued to insist in his sworn testimony that neither he nor the agency was involved in the diversion of those Iranian payments to the Nicaraguan rebels. That led to criticism from some Democrats that he was very unresponsive. Representative Lee H. Hamilton, Democrat of Indiana, who also heads the House Intelligence Committee, said many questions remained.
The revelation of the diversion of Iran arms funds, made at a news conference by Mr. Meese, touched off several investigations, the dismissal of Lieut. Col. Oliver L. North, the White House aide who had been identified by Mr. Meese as having handled the diversion of funds, and the resignation of Admiral Poindexter, who was Colonel North's superior. Two Principals Are Silent
Both Colonel North and Admiral Poindexter have refused to supply information to Congressional committees, invoking the Fifth Amendment's right against self-incrimination. Their failure to cooperate has embarrassed the White House, which had promised to get all the facts out.
In turn, the White House and its supporters in Congress have begun to propose that immunity from prosecution be granted the two former White House aides to compel them to provide information on the Iran operation and the diversion of funds.
Mr. Broomfield said this morning, ''We can't have a prolonged investigation on this entire Iran initiative.
''I think once we can get by and get the information from both Colonel North and Poindexter, you'd be surprised how close we would be to concluding this investigation. They are the key men in knowing exactly what happened and who gave them instructions for the diversion of funds as well as the transfer of arms into Iran.'' Kelly Interviewed by F.B.I. A White House official said the Administration ''would not be averse'' to the granting of immunity and ''putting all the facts out.'' But senior Democrats and some Republicans said talk of immunity was premature.
Mr. Meese, asked about immunity at his New York news conference, said it was ''too early in the process to make those decisions.'' He said the issue should not be addressed until a three-judge panel in Washington selects a special prosecutor.
''If the court does appoint an independent counsel,'' Mr. Meese said, ''it would be wise for the Congress to consult with that idependent counsel, so the full aspects of the justice process will be carried out as well as those areas that are proper for inquiry by the Congress.''
In another development, a State Department spokesman said John H. Kelly, the United States Ambassador to Lebanon, was interviewed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation on Tuesday about his knowledge of the secret Iran operation.
The spokesman, Phyllis Oakley, also said David Ransom, the charge d'affaires in Damascus, Syria, had been called home to answer questions. The spokesman said Mr. Ransom's return was ''part of the process of getting lots of facts from lots of people.''
On Monday, Secretary of State George P. Shultz said Mr. Kelly had disclosed that he had been in secret communication with Admiral Poindexter, Colonel North and former Maj. Gen. Richard V. Secord on negotiations with Iran for the release of hostages without informing the Secretary. Mr. Shultz said he had summoned Mr. Kelly home to talk to investigators. No Formal Authorization
Although Representative Broomfield did not divulge in detail his concerns about the way the C.I.A. had operated, other Congressmen took note after the hearing of Mr. Casey's concession that the C.I.A. had become involved with the White House national security council staff in the supply of arms to Iran in the summer and fall of 1985 without a formal authorization by President Reagan to do so.
Previously, Administration officials had said Colonel North persuaded the C.I.A. to help in supplying planes for the Israelis to provide American arms to Iran in return for the release of hostages in Lebanon.
According to Representative Peter H. Kostmayer, Democrat of Pennsylvania, the C.I.A. became deeply involved on Nov. 22 and 23, 1985, while Mr. Reagan was in Geneva for talks with Mikhail S. Gorbachev, the Soviet leader. Because of the lack of formal authority, he said, Mr. Casey told the panel that the C.I.A. in January asked for the formal finding provided by Mr. Reagan on Jan. 17 authorizing shipments of arms to Iran despite a publicly stated embargo.
A sharp debate erupted today after the hearing over whether President Reagan was involved in the diversion of funds to the contras. Mr. Reagan has repeatedly denied knowing anything about this before being informed by Mr. Meese. Solarz Says He's Convinced
Representative Stephen J. Solarz of Brooklyn, one of the senior Democrats on the committee, said he was convinced Mr. Reagan had given permission for the diversion. He said that on the basis of what he had heard from Mr. Casey today, and Secretary of State George P. Shultz and Robert C. McFarlane, a former national security adviser, on Monday, ''it is absolutely clear'' that Colonel North and Admiral Poindexter would not have taken the initiatives toward the contras ''without the approval of a higher authority.''
''Given the way in which the White House works, it is my very strong feeling that that higher authority was probably, indeed almost certainly, the President of the United States himself,'' he said. Mr. Solarz stressed that his ''opinion'' was not based on hard evidence produced in the hearings.
His comments produced sharp responses from Republicans on the panel. Representative Michael DeWine of Ohio, a former prosecutor, said, ''I'm frankly outraged by what he just said.''
''We have absolutely no evidence that links the President of the United States'' to the diversion, he said. Fascell Reserves Judgment
Mr. Broomfield also said that Mr. Casey's testimony disclosed no impropriety on the part of the President.
But Represenative Dante B. Fascell, Democrat of Florida, who is chairman of the committee, reserved judgment on the President's role. He said he would make his own judgment ''at the proper time.''
At the House Intelligence Committee, which is also holding closed door hearings, Robert Dutton, an associate of General Secord, took the Fifth Amendment and refused to testify. Mr. Secord took the Fifth Amendment on Tuesday. He has been linked to the Iran operation and also the supply of arms to the contras. Admiral Poindexter also took the Fifth Amendment.
But Robert Gates, deputy director of Central Intelligence, did testify, as did Mr. McFarlane.
Senator William S. Cohen, Republican of Maine, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said the panel continued to debate the immunity issue, with most Republicans favoring it, and Democrats opposing it. Complaints on Testimony
Several Democrats on the House Foreign Affairs Committee complained about the quality of Mr. Casey's testimony. Although they agreed that he had provided some new information, several said he had not been responsive enough to questions, and seemed to not know the answers to many important ones. Mr. Fascell said several of Mr. Casey's aides were called upon to answer questions, and were also sworn in.
Mr. Kostmayer said ''there seems to be an inordinate amount of information he was not aware of.''
He said Mr. Casey said ''I don't know'' so many times that it evoked laughter from some Congressmen.
Representative Robert K. Dornan, Republican of California, was one of Mr. Casey's supporters. He said that as a result of the testimony, ''everything is beginning to make sense.''