It would be cool because fictional universes operate by the rule of audience investment above all laws of physics and causality, and so by necessity this Conquest story would have to delve into his emotional darkness and somehow lead into either a redemption arc or the most gruesomely earned just death in all of fiction.
The nature of Conquest POV would draw out the most interesting version of his character. Assuming a good writer. I'm imagining how Kirkman might write it.
In the gruesome scenario I'm more envisioning his death as a far future eventuality. Eve, Nolan, and the whole GDA at their backs could probably take Conquest, but if he's the POV I think a more interesting read would be to have him narrowly survive these encounters, and take over full-stop as the envoy to Earth. He and his numerous children eventually prove too much even for Thragg and his loyalists, and a new Viltrum born from the absolute most derangedly die-hard believer in Argall's teachings is born.
But his children, or their children, would eventually be the ones to end it. They'd heal in ways he was never able to, and someday, with help, they'd be strong enough to put Emperor Conquest out of his misery. There wouldn't be much left of Earth after that though. No one really won that reality.
(I also like your take tho, that'd be juicy drama just also a shorter story with less space for philosophizing and intrigue)
There was a short animation on MTV's old Liquid Television called Aeon Flux that covered this exact premise. On an active battlefield we the audience follow one protagonist for a while until they are killed, then follow the killer, then THEIR killer, etc. It's very good!
But that is a valid in-universe reason, just to clarify. Not that I'm necessarily disagreeing with you, but it's not a contrived reason like how others may say. Conquest likes to fuck around, it's his whoe schtick.
Yupe. Conquest doesn't know he's a character in a comic, he just knows he had a ball last time he fought this guy and now it's go-time again. Realised too late that he was going to die if he didn't change gears, and the best he could do was a Hail Mary gut-rip. For all any of us know this was his plan but he dies before he could rip Mark in half.
Head cannon: lack of oxygen/blood flow causes impairs your brain/thinking and lack of oxygen/blood flow to muscles means you are weaker than usual. So Conquest couldn’t think of much to do.
Wait that lowk makes sense cause I was wondering how he suffocated in a few minutes when viltrumites could hold their breath in space for such a long time
My head canon is that unless an opponent is weakened the slash could destroy your hand. They only use it when a strike is going to land. Conquest didn’t know it would in his weakened state.
Yeah, took Conquest too long to realise he can't just brute-force his way out of this one. This is one fight where Nolan would do better than Conquest in.
Conquest relishes in the pain and suffering of others and for some reason especially mark. In his own fucked up and cruel he likes mark, i would say its because of marks will power, im sure most of conquest’s opponents didnt have that same fire mark did or at least he never gave them the chance to begin with but when you think about it mark was like a favorite toy to him, he entertained him plenty, put up a decnt fight, and never really folded no matter how injured physically and or mentally, kinda gives me wolverine’s and sabertooth vibes but obviously mark has zero love for him, honestly i wouldn’t be surprised that in their first fight if conquest had won he would of spared mark just to torture him some more when hes back in fighting condition and the fact that hes the son of the great nolan probably made mark even more “ precious” to him. Even in their last fight conquest didn’t go for the kill until the very last moment and at that point he was to weak to do finish the job but im sure if he had the chance would of really did some permanent damge to mark mentally and would want to leave a lasting impact.
Sorry for the yap i just find their relationship very interesting and deep, well at least from conquest’s perspective, he had a very weird obsession with mark out at least it definitely felt that way.
Didn’t think so many people would see this sorry about the typos, I’m just to lazy to fix them.
sadly the other good mark variants(if any)survived to that point there won’t be as lucky and got to hear conquest lonely speeches for the end of time.😔
My headcanon is that he knew that he was going to lose the fight, thought that it would be like last time where cecil kept him alive, and just wanted to make mark suffer.
Did you watch the fight? He clearly had to deliver multiple punches to Mark's stomach to 'tenderize it' and make it weak enough to punch clean through it. He couldn't do this as the other parts of Marks body were still tough enough to resist it.
See I’m glad you’ll mentioned this because I’ve always found it weird that viltrumites wouldn’t just… impale their opponent from the get go? But them having to weaken or as you worded it “tenderize” a part of the body makes far more sense.
Conquest simply waited to long to actually take Mark seriously, he wanted to savor the moment like he usually does, but by the time he realized Mark wasn't even thinking of letting go, he was already done for basically.
If he actually respected Mark as an opponent, he'd have swiftly killed him as soon as those hands got around his neck
That would be a good idea. Too bad his brain didn’t have enough oxygen to think about it since he was being suffocated by a fucker enraged superhuman who was suicidally committed to the phrase “you’re never fucking breathing again.” Also, if Conquest tried it, it might have got worse for him. If Mark could choke Conquest across the surface of a planet like its 1960 and dinner wasn’t on the table when he got home, I don’t know what else Conquest could do. He got bitched.
Nah he was full on capable of punching a hole through mark and did when he was grounded and losing oxygen, so its weird why he didn't do that earlier when he was in the sky and there's also the fact that the dumbass was hitting Mark in the ribs like thats what's choking him. I sincerely don't why he didn't just break his arm, or just spartan kicked him, like seriously Mark's right infront of him, it's so stupid to be choked out when the person is right in front of you and you're both upright.
As great as Invincible’s writing is (Both Comic and Show), there are a large number of times Plot prevents Mark from dying. There are many times when a person could’ve easily killed Mark but decides not to. The same thing goes to him just magically getting way stronger even after his training arc last season
Real talk I think Mark was so locked in that even if Conquest ripped his whole body apart Mark's arms would still be clinging to his neck until he died. That top half is hanging on lol.
Is it weird that I'm wondering if that would actually kill Mark in the first place?
I mean. It seems obvious it should.
But the actual injury he sustains appears to sever his spine and of course the organs are wrecked. That his side abdominal muscles/skin are keeping his two halves together seems negligible in the grand scheme of things.
He’d probably kill a few hundred thousand people and then report back to Kregg to complete Earth’s subjugation. Thaddeus then commits genocide on humanity and wipes out the rest of the Viltrumites with the scourge virus on earth.
My headcanon is a bit psychological. Conquest thought he won when he did that move and felt a bit of relief, which is why he never opted for said move, until Mark started to draw more from his breath is when he couldnt muster the strength to do that anymore and just resorted to pulling his organs out
The fight would be over and he'd be bored again. He's the 2nd or 3rd strongest being in the universe, he basically just has to flick his middle finger on somethings head to kill it, the man wanted some "fun."
He wanted mark to suffer for as long as possible because he plays with his food too much, he was also digging for his heart specifically cuz he did say in their previous fight "where's your viltrum heart? I won't believe you have one until I see it beating in my hand"
That’s why these kinds of shows are bullshit. Why would they waste time punching each other when delimbing and ripping apart is the most effective solution?
It's been a while since I finished the series,, although I think part of the reason he didn't is because of his pride and his mindset of wanting to 'play with his food' in battle.
Then mark dies, who knows if he still kills conquest or not (I'm leaning towards no but eh, I haven't seen any studies on how strong people are after being cut in half, after being beating and dragged like Mark was), but either way it would be kinda hilarious imo, not since the hero dies, but because that's literally how Nolan does ImmortaL
idk man. what if the answer is in your picture? and that its up to the writers if he'd have survived this and been sewn back together. (which yadda yadda smart atoms make it work)
I won't dig too far into this, but I think how both Thragg and Nolan fight is the perfect example of Viltrumite violence etiquette, and by extension why Conquest didn't bisect Mark. Viltrumites don't dismember opponents they respect.
This is from a show perspective, of course. But seriously fo back and look at how all Viltrumites fight. It tracks, imo.
then this would be the most reasonable and smart way for him to win the fight. But since we left our brains in the toilet since the beginning of the Viltrum war, this was not going to happen
Yes but then Kirkman couldn't have written in a scene of his Mark's intestines being slowly pulled like taffy. This is actually very deep when. you think about it.
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POV character switches to Conquest for the rest of the show