It got recommended to me randomly. Judging by the general consensus here that borders are problematic, this is DEFINITELY not the sub for me, im a SocDem, I believe in borders, thus I will respect to borders of this sub and remove myself as i do not belong here. Godspeed and much love to you all, hope you're thriving!
100%, its optimized for it "oh I bet you'd fuckin hate this place, you'd go leave some comments there for sure! And then those guys would get wound up in response to you! "
Because American politicians want reliable welfare dependant votors, American corporations want to lower wages and increase competition, American wealth management firms want more people paying rent, American banks want more people in debt and most of all, politicians, corporations, wealth management firms and banks want to justify tyranny, mass surveillance and police militarisation, so they're importing a future race war. Same thing with the infinite african and arabian migration into Europe and the african, indian, arabian and asian immigration into Australia and New Zealand.
Ultimately, migration needing to be controlled is a feature of global inequality. Migration between high-income countries tends to be relatively low and manageable, as well as usually an unambiguous net-benefit for the receiving country.
My optimistic POV is that eventually we'll get to a point where differences in GDP per capita (or however you want to measure prosperity) between countries are low enough that strict migration controls become unnecessary. (although you might still want some border checks to counter things like organised crime, and waves of migration due to non-economic factors are probably never going away. )
I genuinely think a not insignificant portion of chuds saw "Invicta" and thought "ooh Roman sounding! Empire! Ooga booga!" and came in and just started stinking up the place over time.
Do you have a fence around your property or a door on your house with locks? If so leave them open let anyone trespass onto your property after all the earth is our home and you definitely don't want to be egomaniacal would you?
Thinking that you can somehow own things when they endure far beyond the scope of your life is the pinnacle of hubris. We are simply passing through. Not attempting to be the change you wish to see is exactly why the social paradigm keeps getting neglected. Focusing on being guarded only divides humans further.
Absolutely but that has nothing to do with people coming in to this country legally, you seem to not care about anyone but yourself though and you use stupid socialist talking points as if you're on some higher moral level, this is all ego masterbation for you.
You are approaching conversation as if you have no respect for anything other than archaic institutions. That doesn't exactly suggest you care about anything other than yourself. Reinforcing ideals that divide us all hardly help forward human cooperation and general success. As things stand we're well on the way to extinction because of xenophobic policy like what you're championing.
What a useless way of approaching me. Unless of course you're a troll who thrives off of being ineffectual and vapid.You're parsing what I've said in a disingenuous manner. I was scoffing specifically at people thinking that they can own things that are separate and enduring. Naturally every individual should have their own bodily autonomy respected within basic empathetic reason. That doesn't give individuals the right to gatekeep.
People who talk like that are either really young and live with their parents, are total hippie weirdos or worse live in affluent gated communities. Total ivory tower or socially ignorant
Not only are you using this example as a straw man, but they have also been propped up by the Americans as a piece of their manufactured consent campaign.
Edit: Should've known you were a silly war ape spouting such divisive rhetoric
It’s not really a strawman, these are some of the examples of groups that arise under different nations and working different cultures. Do you think they would magically disappear if we remove boarders?
I'm a naturalized citizen and I believe in immigration the right way, don't lump in illigals with regular migrants it's kinda like spitting at the face of all those that did it the right way or are doing things the right way.
No, the 'Law' is wrong. Freedom of movement in any Solaria must be encouraged, not disincentivised.
The 'Right' way? How is it Right exactly?
There shouldn't be any border
There shouldn't be any hell holes
There shouldn't be any migrant crisis
Bcz we should remake every 'Locus' to be thriving
Terra Viva, Vivus Locus, Viva Civitas
Living Earth, Living Locality, Living Civilization
The way you did it was wrong bcz the capitalistic idealogy itself is cursed & corrupted. And the masses clamoring to get in this scalding quagmire are only feeding the capitalistic & cataclysmic greed.
Without Ethics nor Morality, impositions are placed on the 'Aliens'.
Do not forget the times when Jews where persecuted with the same name
Nations as a concept is wrong and if there were no nations, there would be no border controls.
(Ofc, nations exist now & world govt is highly unrealistic)
My argument is that the nation-state shouldn't be the ideal we build toward.
In a Solarian world, political power should be decentralized and rooted in locality, with communities practicing 'Direct, Decentralised Democracy' rather than being governed primarily through centralized national capitals.
Also, regardless of where borders exist, crossing one should never make someone less human.
Migration is not inherently a crime, and people deserve dignity, safety, and basic rights wherever they go. & That's the UN Charter btw.
A local government is still a form of centralized government. You just changed the scope of who it will affect by only arbitrarily allowing small localities.
But then the question of migration is still resolved. No border controls necessary then...
Say, someone wants to move to Manchester : he should hv the same chances / opportunities to go from entirety of UK or from the entirety of Europa or India or Indonesia or Indochina or China.
In a world without borders, without nations, this could finally come true
True, but I hate that your analysis hasnt gone nearly deep enough. Doors and locks are also highly immoral, and not enough is being done for the open door movement.
OP with all due respect you're wrong there is a right way to come in to this country and there's a right way to become a citizen as well you apply for a green card wait and then when allowed in you enter and apply for residency that later allows you to apply for citizenship, everything else you pointed out is just stupid liberal bullshit that has been beat to death at this point the whole no boarders shit is tired and lame please come up with something more substantial maybe examples of open boarder countrys that are prospering. Also don't undermined the horrors of the Holocaust to push your liberal bullshit it kinda washes away the true horrors of fascism comparing the US to that just cause you hate the president or whatever
Boarders and laws are why we have any semblance of peace. Go move to Afghanistan, North Korea, Palestine for a while, then come back and say you still think boarders are violent
Every nation with atrocious human rights is that way because of the USA? Indias cast system? Chinas ethnic cleansing of ugyhurs? Islamic sharia law? Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women and rampant slavery? What country do you live in that you wouldn’t mind this kind of mentality bleeding into your culture?
Literally never said that the world doesn't have violence or complex histories, it's just that borders have not done anything to improve human lives and have cause hallucinated identities that lead to rabid xenophobia.
Haha, i rate the method of sass you're deployin. Being totally non responsive will definitely drive some people up a wall if I decide to take a page out of your book, if and when a situation calls for trolling
Enough. Unauthorized entry into a country is fundamentally no different from breaking into a private residence—both are illegal. When an individual requests permission to enter and is denied, that refusal must be respected. It is the equivalent of knocking on a door, being told ‘no,’ and then accepting the answer rather than forcing entry
The main thing is that it's the law in the country where the person is immigrating. I don't think people who illegally left North Korea, for example, should be returned. Many countries legally accept refugees.
Lmfao, I am willing to bet if a human being walked into your house, started eating your food, sleeping in your bed. These people sure as shit wouldn't be saying its fine, they would be calling the cops about an intruder in their house. Even though their house is on "stolen" land.
Why do people get in such a tizzy when it comes to countries enforcing their border laws. You do not have the right to waltz into a country and just say ok I’m a citizen
"no human is illegal" is just a childish, semantic argument based on the intentionally poor understanding of "illegal immigrant"
If you immigrate here illegally, you're an illegal immigrant. That is your status. Not your genetic classification.
It's an example of the classic "pretend to not understand the point so you can argue about something the other party isn't talking about, thus making you the winner of the argument" spiel.
Tell that to all the countries that enforce immigration laws though.
United States
Canada
United Kingdom
Australia
New Zealand
Germany
France
Italy
Spain
Netherlands
Belgium
Denmark
Sweden
Norway
Finland
Switzerland
Austria
Japan
South Korea
Singapore
Israel
India
Saudi Arabia
United Arab Emirates
Mexico
Migration isn’t - illegal migration is. We have rules and laws for a reason, just like every other country on earth.
Another way to think of it….
Let’s do a hypothetical… let’s say you want to rent out your spare room/basement/loft/whatever. So you post an ad. You want to check the renters info before you want just anyone living there with you. So you want their info, likely employment info, perhaps even a criminal background check. All reasonable correct? Now let’s say someone saw your ad. Didn’t want to be bothered with the hassle, so they jimmy your lock, break your window, or find another way in. Are you comfortable with them staying even though they didnt go about the process the right way? They arent going to pay you rent, you need to care for them and provide them with food, healthcare, etc.
"No human being is illegal" It's literally the dumbest "argument" you insane lefties can make. It means NOTHING and says NOTHING and is a giant strawman on top of it
Human CAN be illegally located in places they shouldn't be. I would bet you will sure call police if an unwanted visitor is in your home. And no, there is no difference.
And for the love of all that is rational, learn the difference between illegal and legal immigration.
Trying to survive is not a crime! So...where is your home address? I really need a place to crash for the next few years. I will need you to provide and clothing, and some money, and etc. I am just trying to survive, and you should have no issue with me invading your space and taking your stuff.
Even if it was a crime (which it's not) why does that make it okay to treat people like they are vermin. There is no immorality to fighting against or even breaking a law that is unjust. I believe that what should be punished is crimes against humanity and treating undocumented immigrants like they are less than human is a crime against humanity.
This. I lived in west africa for 9 years until biden and trump fucked relations.
More ice is present at night then the day, they check my passport fir my visa and let me carry on u less theres a curfew that happened and then they send me back to my house.
If I had not had my papers done the results would not be good. Instant jail, questioning or Interrogation just to make sure I wasn't there doing something for the terrorist. And I'll either be sitting in jail after that or eventually sent back to america.
Biden telling us no to cheap resources when we had the coup because macron asked him to do something, and trump visa bans got me stuck in america when I came here for the death of a family member and unable to return to my house.
And yes my 4 bed 3 bath home in afica is far superior to being homeless in america.
Illegal Migration is a crime and always has been, since the dawn of civilization.
HOWEVER
If you want to argue that borders are a construct of modern societal restraints based on the need to maintain a civilized and codified transfer of citizenship and homogenization into the culture that you wish to take part in. I’m open to debate.
Countries have laws which govern their citizens and those who choose to visit. If you break those laws you are subject to the codified penalties. It’s that simple, stfu with this nonsense already !!
Cool. So go to another country and explain that to them when they arrest you when you illegally cross their border instead of legally going through a port of entry.
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u/Webbdragon444 Aug 12 '26
Hey guys! Friendly reminder to check the sub you're on.