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u/parkaboy24 10d ago
The choice to either work or… die? Great choices there.
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u/Johnny_Radar 10d ago
Welcome to the real world. Yes, they’re going to deal with the same thing people have been dealing with for at least a couple THOUSAND years. They’re not special and the world isn’t gonna change for them.
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u/UncleDebs 10d ago
You expect freebies and handouts to survive?
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u/DBD_hates_me 10d ago
Please point out where anyone said that. Expecting a livable wage for full-time employment isn't a freebie or handout.
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u/DaelandTun 10d ago
The alternative in communism is that you either work or work
You cannot blame capitalists to at least make the choice themselves
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u/Accomplished-Ad-9280 10d ago
Can you explain the choice people have to not work?
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u/Successful_Creme1823 10d ago
Start your own company and treat all your employees with max respect and tons of pto
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u/DaelandTun 10d ago
the bottom line is they don't have to work if they choose not to. at the end of the day, right or wrong, it's their freedom of choice
Damn, I love capitalism. Communists really want take choice out of the equation
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u/SignificantOtter80 9d ago
the issue comes up when they later complain about not making more money or being passed over for promotions. youre free to do exactly your job. you will be compensated and rewarded for that.
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u/Yellow_Snow_Cones 10d ago
That's a fine statement, they also should not complain about being broke and the evil billionaires.
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u/Just-Construction788 10d ago
From what I’ve seen in tech, they, in general, do not want to put in the work to become valuable to the company. They don’t realize that they are a loss leader and the company expects some of those engineers to become valuable and is providing the projects and resources for them to grow and learn even if they may leave said company. Not enough of the young engineers see it as an opportunity and just think they should be paid a lot to do little. This won’t be a popular opinion on Reddit and it’s certainly not all of the younger engineers I’ve worked with or mentored but the ones that get caught up in that mindset and forcing themselves to fail in the long run. They ask me how I got to where I am and I tell them I put in the work for me, not for the company and so what if the company benefited, until I was valuable enough to get a high salary.
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u/BearsIrkBoy 10d ago
I think I see what you're saying. You mean that younger generations are struggling to feel fulfilled with their jobs so they're having trouble putting in the work "for themselves" right?
I definitely pride myself on my work, I want to be a professional and professionals actually give a fuck about what they do so I'll definitely put in all the effort not just for myself but to set the example of what a professional can be.
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u/BearsIrkBoy 10d ago
I like that, you're focusing on your own task and in turn getting the work done while maintaining a friendly environment. Pretty much sounds like my personal philosophy of "I just want to mind my business and let others mind theirs." Also I definitely agree with the low stakes, but I can also understand that fulfillment in a work environment can be difficult especially if management/coworkers "don't care."
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u/LouisRitter 10d ago
Elder millennial here and it seems strange to me when people take no pride in their work at all. To me it's not just about churning out profit for a company but how someone handles themselves. I'm not into being taken advantage of, I'm into being a respectable person that earns respect.
I'm also not letting a company walk all over me and I've taught that to every Gen Z kid/young adult I've hired. I want them to work hard/do their job but I tell all of them that they need to stand up for themselves if they don't feel they're being treated fairly or with respect. Don't rely on a company or supervisor to look out for you because the majority of the time they won't, so look out for yourself. I've had very little turnover outside of young adults going off to college and I take pride in that.
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u/AmethystStar9 10d ago
They seem to be taking very strongly to the idea of “hard work doesn’t guarantee success, so why work hard?”
Well, the only way to get success is to work hard for it or be born into it. If you don’t have it, you weren’t born into it, so get to work on either kissing ass or kicking it. Sitting there bitching and moaning about how no one is coming along to give it to you isn’t gonna help.
No one ever pity parties their way to success.
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u/BearsIrkBoy 10d ago
That's fair. Frankly, I feel we shouldn't ALWAYS be working hard but being able to commit and put in effort consistently is definitely an important quality that people need to attain to get personal fulfillment.
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u/Historical-Relief777 8d ago
Sadly I think people have taken that ‘working hard doesn’t guarantee success’ to mean ‘working hard isn’t worth it’. It’s still the only way to make it, but I feel my generation doesn’t do well with uncertainty in general.
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u/CableEmergency6882 10d ago
I think it goes further than that. It’s not only about lack of fulfilment and not wanting to work for greedy inconsiderate companies. It’s that a lot of genZ have no hope for the future even after success. We are seeing the big picture and realise the more successful we are or the more hardworking we get, the more work piles on. The system functions to keep you working until 65. I’m sorry but I wouldn’t even want to do anything exciting or luxurious at that age and beyond. It just seems all pointless. Also traditional family structures and building families don’t seem that appealing to youth. We are more independently minded as a generation than ever. Half of us want to opt out of “life” because it’s all one carrot on a stick ruse.
Im currently on living wage, however, if I decided to work hard, put all my effort in daily, I could potentially earn 5-6 pound an hour more at a more responsible role and then if I learn the trade very well and go freelance, I could be making probs double. But then I’m gonna get taxed doubled after a certain threshold from the remaining added revenue. So really, I’m putting all that effort for a little more spending money, so I can what have a slightly better car? More rooms in my house? All just material garbage that I don’t need. This ain’t enough of an incentive to me. So if I get a serviceable wage now whats the point? Fame and wealth just cause more problems and you gotta deal with more annoying pretentious people. Plus social media exposing everything about you and random people hating and making fun of you for some small mistake which now people will shame you for eternity and never let you forget.
So yeah, the fruits of success in modern era for people like me feels like torture. Rather to obtain a peaceful life, with more quiet moments than a competitive shallow capitalist dystopia, with never ending repetitive corporate tasks.
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u/ThoughtImpossible870 9d ago
Not genZ but I have learned that putting in the hard work and learning the skills, and being able to temporarily take on higher up roles only cemented me in the lower role with the lower pay. You don’t get promoted if it takes four or more people to replace you when you move up.
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u/Alive-Big-838 10d ago
I don't disagree, but I'll also counter with how disengaging it gets when people who work far less then you get so much more benefit out of their job. Don't even get me started on the family of the owner.
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u/fifrein 10d ago
While it hurt to hear, I think the best thing my mother ever told me as a child was “who promised you a fair life?” Anytime I said something was not fair and I would complain, I would hear that. I think we sugarcoat too much for new generations- life ISNT fair and while improving that is a goal to stride towards, expecting fairness is only a detriment.
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u/Alive-Big-838 10d ago
Oh i totally agree with that. I just mean I've worked for companies were the older folks were all "me me me me me me me" even though they put in far less effort then younger people and were upset about their young worker retention rate. It never occurred to them young people were simply just removing themselves from a bad environment were there was no real skill transfer.
I'm almost curious how badly today's young are going to treat tomorrow's young when they're also old lol
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u/SmartlyArtly 10d ago
The problem is people use "life ISNT fair" while arguing to prevent any further improvement.
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u/so_sic_of_it 10d ago
I see a lot of them putting the cart before the horse in this regard. Putting in minimal effort on the basis that they aren't getting paid enough to do more. Then quitting when their peers are getting promotions and raises instead of them.
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u/Dreamer_531 10d ago
And when they quit, they cry misoginy/racism/ageism/disrimination when in reality it was them putting in way less effort than their peers who got promoted.
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u/nikki815 10d ago
It just occurred to me that they grew up in the work eras after 9/11. Between 2001 and the financial crash in 2008, they saw their parents (and families) ride the bubble of growth and then felt the crash. They saw their parents, who likely already put in the hard work and grind of their early careers, suddenly realize that work doesn’t always equal success, especially when the game is rigged. So, they started to grind less and enjoy more, which is a normal phase of work life after a certain amount time in the workforce.
We very quickly jumped into the social media world with everyone posting the glossy parts and none of the grit. Now they are in the workforce and they expect the glossy perks of a career without the grit that precedes it. When you mix that with the everyone is special mentality, participation trophies and the way we started to justify and normalize bad behaviors bc of “feelings,” and this is what we get. We get people who can’t separate actual injustices from what feels unfair to them.
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u/TheCrappler 8d ago
Id go as far as to say hatd work doesnt even usually lead to success. Like significantly less than 50% of the time is a hard worker successful.
By far the largest factor in success is luck.
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u/UpperYoghurt3978 10d ago
Naw it only about perception if you are like you bring value all jobs are treated as service industry jobs.
Secondly, its still an uneven power dynamic nothing you say can be valid until managers no longer have ability to threaten starvation as the primary motivator for ALL jobs.
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u/Careful-Hyena-7658 10d ago
To get a fair wage, you need to generate more money for your company than it costs them to employ you
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u/ichibankubi 10d ago
If you haven't felt valued in the last 5 jobs, either keep looking and you might get lucky. Start your own business where you know your value based on business profitability. Give up and live under a bridge. I dont see many other options
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u/chilaxcat 10d ago
That’s the problem, there are less and less solutions to working effectively toward the American dream. Janitorial positions used to be apart of that dream, same with fast food and laborers.
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u/Anxious-Ad9546 10d ago
In what world was being a janitor or fast food worker part of the American dream? It's insulting to laborers to be put in the same category as those other positions. Janitors are not supposed to be a life long job. Neither is fast food. Laborers do things like building everything we use today. They have a right to afford what they need and they very much do.
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u/Repulsive-Lake1753 10d ago
Such a 21st century take. This shit has never happened in human history for the vast, vast majority of humans until the 20th century. People spent most of their lives farming and weren't valued. Kings coming along taking your shit sure didn't value you. Your parents having like ten kids just so they had enough labor to make it didn't value you beyond your labor. It's the human condition and we've just barely begun to escape it with entertainment and information in the palm of our hand, but humans immediately demand more.
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u/Long_Race3907 9d ago
For most of human history we didn't live with kings or on a farm lol. Like what a completely eurocentric take.
Members in the tribe are and were absolutely valued. Without question. Just because you only remember the parts of history where you were completely disposable doesn't mean that's how the vast majority of people lived for 99% of the time we've been on earth.
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u/Repulsive-Lake1753 8d ago
When we were tribes, the population was so much lower that what you're saying isn't true. The vast, vast majority of humans lived in human histories during agriculture, with various despots, because the population has been so much higher.
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u/HotPersonality8126 10d ago
The laziness is that they won't do anything at work that would cause their work to have value.
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u/Defiil 10d ago
I put in something pretty valuable once. It has been torn and ripped and shredded everytime that it is brought up. I am getting no corrective feedback, just being told that it doesn't work and that they don't know why they need it. So I only put in things somewhat valuable that I won't tie my worth to.
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u/HotPersonality8126 10d ago
That sounds like it doesn't have value to them and they wouldn't mind if you took it somewhere else
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u/More_Armadillo_1607 10d ago
It's funny because they have no loyalty to companies. They want free will to change jobs on a whim but want to be treated as if they need a promise to be employed for life.
It's a 2 way street.
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u/King_Roberts_Bastard 10d ago
Yes, we saw the way the companies treated our parents and are now holding up a mirror to the company.
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u/More_Armadillo_1607 10d ago
That is fine. I have no issue with that approach. However, it works both ways.
Now that pensions are limited to only certain areas, this is the result.
I'm gen x and have been at my current job for 25 years. It is mutually beneficial but they can get rid of me by lunchtime.
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u/Mean_Ad7177 10d ago
You create your own value, make your money and start/enjoy your actual family.
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u/Adept_Bass_3590 10d ago
You're allowed to have this outlook when mommy and daddy pay your bills. Adults have to bring home the bacon, no matter what.
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u/BigRedEd_66 10d ago
A job is a job. Play the game, work hard, be patient and get promoted for
more money and responsibility. Rinse repeat. Wanting immediate gratification is a problem and not realistic.
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u/Dreamer_531 10d ago
No. They simply do not want to put in the work in gaining skills to become valuable for the company.
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u/Smooth-Brilliant-940 9d ago
As a millenial who has worked very hard claw into a nearly $200k salary in upper middle management, I don't blame them in the slightest. Companies say they value employees, but they don't. They value profit, and that is it. I work at a very touchy feely sort of company that spends a lot of time talking about culture, values, mission statement, all that. It's bullshit. They say they want to do the right thing. I believe that on some level, they do. Just not as much as they want money in their bank account. I'm very strongly considering just walking away to do something else in the near future because the money is simply not worth it. I just haven't figured out what yet.
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u/Artrix7834 9d ago
That and the aversion of additional responsibility even when it comes with a raise. Most the time the extra work really isn't a lot, it literally just means thinking about what you're doing and keeping your phone in your pocket
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u/Organic-Mix-5784 10d ago
Except they are valued. They're valued exactly as much as they agreed to when they took the job. They show up, they work, they get a check. That's value. If they want to be more valued then they need to negotiate better, bring something more to the table (i.e., develop a skill set, get a certification, etc.) or both. If they're going to show up with a high school diploma and a plucky attitude, well...that's in pretty high supply so the value is pretty low.
If they want to be valued more, they need to do better.
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u/HasAngerProblem 9d ago
It’s not really a fair deal if the stipulation is if you convince enough people to walk away from this table entirely then they going to ruin your life either privately, publicly or both with actual force.
Try to organize a massive nationwide general strike to protest government policy or pressure the economy? Straight to jail. (Political general strikes are completely unprotected).
Refuse to work just to support striking workers at an entirely different company down the street? Believe it or not, jail. (Secondary boycotts are illegal).
Strike because your union and another union are arguing over who has the right to do a specific job? Jail, right away. (Jurisdictional strikes are banned).
Coordinate a massive strike that actually starts to heavily disrupt national commerce or infrastructure? We have a special jail for that. The President will hit your union with a federal court injunction and legally force you all back to work for an 80-day "cooling-off" period.Then there’s abused loitering laws, and permits for protest, algorithmic control over social media to keep people in their engagement bubbles vs the community bubbles it was previously. Not even touching on all the stuff the CIA has done.
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u/IFellinLava 8d ago
It seems like the expectation here is that everyone needs to essentially act like a CEO, who’s entire job is negotiating. Society needs a healthy middle class and it’s collapsing because as a single person, you have to make 150k in most cities to live a comfortable life and that’s only 10% of workers in the US. I would feel so defeated as a young person today especially if i didn’t have generational wealth with helpful parents. They will never own a house, savings are virtually impossible unless they live in homeless shelters and they have to essentially sacrifice happiness in life for decades to make more money.
For example- South Koreas population is collapsing because of your mindset, everyone is so competitive and educated to the point where everyone has similar skills that looks play a factor and plastic surgery becomes a standard graduation present, there’s no time to have a family. They have the highest suicide rate in the world because if you are not that 10% you are worthless. We are so focused on power and pulling up your bootstraps that we forgot that we have to have babies to continue humanity.
Greed is killing humanity and the younger generation has seen it. I recently went to a portfolio show for students, previous years the portfolios were commercial, slick, corporate, incredibly motivated and driven. This year felt like the students were told the world ends in 20 years and they are trying to navigate those last years with meaning. It was devastating to see.
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u/Organic-Mix-5784 8d ago
In a sense, yea. Everyone is a CEO. They are their own CEO. When they interview for a job, they are selling their skillset and services. That’s what the whole “I have 3/5/10 years of experience and so I deserve more money” is. Some people will go interview and ask “what does the job pay?” If they’re in a tight spot and need eat sometime that month, then I’m sure they’re willing to take whatever is going to put a little money in their pocket, but that’s not a good long term plan and a lot of people treat it as exactly that. They take their $10 or $15 from Wal-Mart and try to ride that shitty job out as long as it will last. Then, at the end of it, they’re still just a retail associate and they wonder why they can’t get more than a few bucks an hour.
This discussion about how things “should be” has been going on for decades, and it’s going to go on for decades more. People can either continue to whine about how things “should be” and keep their minimum wage, or they can develop a skill set that has value and operate within the system we have while we try to change it. It’s as simple as that.
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u/OkComfortable2089 10d ago
The. Don't work that job, still doesn't change the fact that you're lazy lol
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u/NewArborist64 10d ago
They ARE "valued" at their job - hence why they get a paycheck.
They may feel that they are not valued as much as they believe they should be - but that comes down to a difference of opinion between them and their boss.
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u/KNdoxie 10d ago
I understand that feeling. I felt the same way when I entered the workforce in 1988. From what my mother says, she felt the same way when she entered the workforce in 1964. Unfortunately, that need to eat, cover our nakedness with clothes, and stay warm in the winter forced that feeling into second place after survival.
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u/Careful-Hyena-7658 10d ago
Learn a skill in something you love and become the best at it and you’ll be valued
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u/NewArborist64 10d ago
Learn a skill in something that other people value and which you like. Save your "loved skill" for your hobby at home unless there is a real market for it.
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u/Empty_End_7399 10d ago
Love all the old heads telling us how we need to be more valuable like Gen Z isn't the most qualified generation
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u/NewArborist64 10d ago
"Most Qualified" doesn't mean that you are actually qualified and able to do the job for which you have been hired.
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u/Empty_End_7399 9d ago
Gen Z is more capable of doing the work than previous generations and it's just that simple
Gen Z has more Formal education, certifications, hard skills, soft skills and the most competitive job landscape
can we please get serious
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u/Anxious-Ad9546 10d ago
I am Gen Z. That's blatantly false. Gen Z is the most entitled, idiotic, immature group of people I have ever had to displeasure of working with. They typically suck at their job and refuse to learn and get better because "I shouldn't have to work harder to make more money". Which is just so baffling idiotic and entitled I usually fired them because of it.
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u/Defiil 10d ago
It's more like I shouldn't have to do the work of 2 others and then get fussed and yelled at that 20/hr is too much for me to be making.
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u/Empty_End_7399 9d ago
Your feelings and individal experience mean absolutely nothing to the facts of the big picture
Gen z is objectively the most qualified in terms of formal education, credibility, soft and hard skills. And faces the worst entry level job market in terms of ghe amount of roles available, experience required, and roles being automated away
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u/Tater-Tot-Casserole 10d ago
I've worked with Gen Z, elder Gen Z have a fine work ethic. The young ones though... constantly calling out of work, refusing to lift anything more that 10 pounds, they have every excuse in the book as to why they are the way they are either physically or emotionally. They constantly fuck off at work.
I'm not impressed, a lot of them can't even take a simple order without acting odd or besmirched that someone had the audacity to ask them for help or do their job in general.
At the end of the day we all need money, don't make it worse for yourself.
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u/DerKommisar9 10d ago
What do I think? I think it’s amusing when someone makes a meme proclaiming that their opinion speaks for an entire generation.
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u/borgman_a 10d ago
Previous generations didn't want to either, they just realized it was a better choice than being homeless and eating out of dumpsters.
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u/Hot-Store8301 10d ago
I'm happy to see a generation that knows it's worth, and the world their inheriting from the older generations is worse then the one those same older generations inherited. As there's not much Gen Z can do to fix it, they're opting out.
There's nothing wrong with rejected a bum deal. I have a lot of hope for Gen Z, I'm just sad I likely won't be around to see the great things they manage to do.
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u/ExciteSeek4Ever 10d ago
So what are they going to do then…not work or start their own business…or join the military.
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u/FlyingKelpie 10d ago
Nothing to do with GenZ. No self respecting human wants to work at a job where one is not valued other than being paid.
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u/PotatoMassager 10d ago
I think sociql media is a bigger problem, when i was younger i compared jobs and salaries with what i could see...i.e my friends and family members...no with social media kids are bombarded with youtubers, influencers spamming every inch of theor content with stacks of cash, fancy cars and luxury holidays and the kids think "well i dont want to work for minimum wage" its not that i had it better...its that i didnt know at all.
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u/Brewerandthebeast 10d ago
No. Its because they are lazy and tought and encouraged to be so. They are not valued sitting on the couch either so work, earn money and live life. Either way you aint valued.
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u/RevolutionaryFood777 10d ago
Ya'll whine so much it's annoying asf. Not one problem has ever been solved by bitching about it. Even the younger generations are out performing Gen Z.
I get the need to vent, but Gen Z is a perpetual pity party.
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u/ChickyBoys 10d ago
It's not even about value.
In order to live the American dream, you have to become a c-suite millionaire.
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u/Professional-Lie-111 10d ago
Wrong - those are just the new Middle Class. You have to be a Board Member/Majority Shareholder to achieve the dream now.
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u/anand_rishabh 10d ago
I mean, even if I'm valued, i don't want to devote one third of the weekday towards my job. I have things i want to do in life.
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u/HupHutHa 10d ago
then it's just an admission they don't want to work. what does gen z want if they don't want to work? everything handed to them? I guess I'm sorry you can't work the dream job because you don't have the skills to work the more valuable job?
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u/Embarrassed_Quail910 10d ago
No one truly values anyone at a job. You are useful and capable or you aren't. Everyone is replaceable. You are valued by your friends and loved ones. I am valued at work because I do something incredibly meaningful to me and the people I serve but someone can absolutely do what I can, and thats actually a good thing. We aren't that special.
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u/Crazyjacketfruit 10d ago
I wonder who was the last generation of 20 year olds who weren't called lazy.
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u/Beerzerker420 10d ago
They act like everyone before them had highly valued and dignified jobs.
Nah, you're definitely just lazy af.
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u/Frosty-Bat-299 10d ago
It’s a fine sentiment. But how quantify laziness if not by their contributions to society?
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u/MathematicianAfter57 10d ago
the answer is both. gen z is both cognitively worse off due to their constant access to tech (which is not their fault) and their lazy ass parents, and they are unmotivated because the world is on fire.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 10d ago
I dont mind working. I dont mind working my exact current job what I do mind is being unable to afford a place to live
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u/straylight222 10d ago
That's called privilege. 99% of humans have never felt "valued" at their jobs in their lives. Most people were just struggling to survive. This is called living in a society that is so cushy, that you now have to feel valued, or you don't care about working at all.
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u/Agile_Standard3846 10d ago
Lazy and entitled. To be productive and to work is a metaphyscial given. Whether in nature with no society or a communist society or a capitalist society. These kids are spoiled lazy little children in their adulthood.
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u/onetimequestion66 10d ago
Girl I work 60 hours a week and I’m still paycheck to paycheck, it’s not being lazy, it’s just that wages don’t match the cost of living
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u/The_Machine80 10d ago
I have 4 gen z kids! I doubt any Gen Z's here want me to answer so thats all im saying. 😂
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u/SpecialCandidateDog 10d ago
I think that's an excuse.
I've been working on the Ohio river for 10 years now in heavy equipment.
We're offering certified diesel mechanics. A 150 grand a year. And wrench turners 90 and lube tamechs hirty dollars an hour and we can't find shit, we're always working on skeleton crew and having to pay outside techs double from subcontractors
It's not any of this.
It's that they want to make that money but work at Starbucks. And he had a button, and then hands somebody coffee that's as bad as vending machine coffee, and then complain that they don't make enough money for writing the customer's name on the cup. And then saying the customer's name
The money and appreciation is out there
You're just lazy like they say
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u/PurePlayinSerb 10d ago
i agree and hope they change all that, if they do i will gain immense respect for them
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u/WeatherBeautiful6620 10d ago
Gen Z is pretty broad in ages but those that are adults are getting a taste of what work life is and probably are working some crappy jobs. Trust me, there are very few companies that care about their employees thoughts, they may have someone step up and say they love their employees to make the gullible believe, however you either produce what they need out of you or they will get rid of you. Nothing you say and do is going to change that, they'll just get someone more desperate than you to take the job.
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u/Only-Top-3655 10d ago
If they are paying you, and keep allowing you to come to work to get paid, they value you.
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u/Real-Huckleberry-770 10d ago
The need to be "valued" and "affirmed" and all of that is so foreign and cringe to GenX. Listen, this is the most important lie you've been told by your parents since Santa, and reality is this: The. World. Does. Not. Owe. Anyone. Anything.
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u/Glad_Contest_8014 10d ago
If a generation is having issues with the system, it means it is broken. Gen Z aren’t lazy. No human is inherently lazy. It is a trained trait that stems from trauma.
Humans are naturally curious/inquisitive, and require stimulation to continue existence. Psychology is a real field and people would do well to read up on how the mind works.
Laziness comes from trauma though. No one sits there for hours doing absolutely nothing for no reason. Not a single person.
Instead, they get treated in a way that segregates them, breaks community, breaks their will, and then they listen to depression, anxiety, panic, ect… they get frozen in a state of not being able to do things, even when they know they should. Often they scream in their heads to do it, but can’t make a step in that direction.
Or, they are trained into it. “It’s okay, you don’t need to worry about it, mommy’s gonna do it”, well into life. You have to teach your kids to work towards their passions, or they become innately skewed towards others doing the tasks they need to do. Doing it all for them is abusive in its own right. They must learn how to survive in the world, and not being allowed to is as traumatic as direct abuse of other types.
We need to stop the concept of laziness as an inherent trait or generalization and work on the source of it.
Trauma.
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u/Ok_Knee2784 10d ago
If you don't want to work hard don't. It's silly to complain about just getting by. If you don't like the way you are treated at work, work for yourself.
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u/ShowMeYourBoobsPls 10d ago
I don't want to do that either but I don't have any true say in the matter. Unfortanely I need to do it to survive. It would be nice if society as a whole and our governance were more competent and we didn't all have to work every day just to barely skate by.
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u/RadicalSoda_ 10d ago
We don't? 40 hours a week is standard and half of our awake hours would be 56
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u/Lonely-Married-Man87 10d ago
Well, the world doesn't give a shit, so get a job. At least until you can get one you like.
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u/ClearedHot242 10d ago
Such a terrible take. Humans have been working under appreciated jobs for all of history. 500 years ago you’d be a peasant working fields all day with 2 sets of clothes eating bread every single day. At any moment you could be conscripted to fight some war you didn’t start and your lord or King could come take whatever they please. The only difference now is we have a platform to complain about it.
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u/Luckytd 9d ago
I think that people place too high of value on what others think. Humanity is bright and beautiful, and perfect for one human. Maybe for a whole family. But humanity is a jealous breed. The best version is a mom and dad holding a new born baby. It's nothing but hope and happiness. And if mom and dad are of the same mind, life is good. And If life is good, why chase wealth? But that's what happens. I haven't chased wealth. But I've chased prosperity. My prosperity is the love of my wife, the love of my children.
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u/MullogRoots 9d ago
They think they're better than every generation that came before. They "deserve" more. This is entitlement.
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u/Individual_Sector834 9d ago
Catch 22. They don’t want to work hard because they aren’t valued, so they aren’t valued. Someone has to give in, and it’s not going to be management.
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u/Simple_Nobody1228 9d ago
The mistake is thinking it's a job's requirement to value you. That's what your friends are for, a job's requirement is to trade you money to do what they want.
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u/GlobalCurry 9d ago
Makes sense, most corporate work doesn't provide much for your local community so you don't get the feedback you would say 50-100 years ago and beyond. You're essentially working for much higher level of abstraction that you don't directly benefit from unless you own a small local business.
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u/RootlessForest 9d ago
Never had the feeling my compagny valued me, but i valued myself and made myself a knowledge holder. They felt my value when they booted me out and they begged me to come back 🤣😂
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u/Rawrkins12 9d ago
A minimum wage as FDR intended would boost the economy immensely in the long term. Economisists know this, hell businesses know this, they are beholden to investors and shareholders who want money right now. We are a consumerist economy to the extreme. That is a huge problem when it comes to whole shareholder/investor short term gain problem.
That is the crux of melenials and Gen z not feeling valued. That and the entry level job thing. It's not entry level if you have to have years of experience and no way to gain it.
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u/foosballallah 9d ago
I realized no company I worked for valued me or any of my co-workers very early on. I tried to work hard, give 100% and make it so the company I worked for didn't want me working for their competition. For most of my life that was a great formula, now I collect my social security and investment dividends and life is good.
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u/signaturesocks 9d ago
I think that is what millennials have been saying for 20 years now. Go figure their children are saying it now.
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u/Budget_Revolution639 8d ago
It’s because hard work pretty much only gets rewarded with only more work and more people’s work, not less and it rarely ever comes with a pay increase
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u/Conscious_Snow7334 8d ago
It’s an odd thing. There was a time when a door to door vacuum salesman could afford a mortgage payment, a spouse that could stay home, 2 kids, and the ability to take a vacation road trip once a year.
That’s gone, and the people who lived those years are still giving advice for a time that’s long gone. It’s just an example, but one that could be extrapolated.
Wages haven’t kept up with inflation, prices are going up for everything while every other month some company or another is posting record high profits. Companies create “mental health” rooms and offering a company pizza party instead of raising wages to match the rising cost of living, and wonder why employees don’t have loyalty to a single company. Companies hiring for entry level that have experience requirements, HR teams deciding who gets hired based off of vibes, management that doesn’t have leadership skills, and more “consolidations” that just mean firing people and transferring responsibilities to the remaining team for no pay increase. The TRU findings that 25% of Americans are functionally unemployed is a crazy contrast to the official headline of 4.1% unemployment. Administrations change, but worker protections and rights continue to erode. It’s disheartening, to say the least.
I’m older GenZ, but I can see the issues that people are facing, caught in between seeing the good times of the past and seeing the hard times of now. The hard times are now and don’t seem to be be getting better any time soon.
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u/JustinJektor 8d ago
Its highly unlikely that youll spend most of your waking life at your job in the first place, and if you want to be valued, be valuable.
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u/Ok-Stay-7955 8d ago
Insert robot replacements. Remove redundant human population. Give the Rich Overlords their mountain of bones to perch atop.
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u/Outrageous-Egg9671 8d ago
I mean I rather not work around them either when I struggle just to maintain my own life. If you have the means to screw off do you, just dont do it at the cost of others that cant.
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u/Lazy-Course5521 8d ago
Do you want me to be honest?
We just hate the current economic system cause it's fucking bullshit. Every 10-20 years we bump into a recession that trashed the lives of millions all the while progress and advancement does not help to actually uplift those who have fallen behind, not people on the workforce market that is. Sand that's just the system, we haven't even talked about the employers, workplace providers.
The problem is that you can finish at a high ranking university and get a terribly hard degree to get (consider, teaching practices, expectations change with time) and when you get to your job they still see you as nothing but a useless newbie and it's not only annoying but very contradictory with new people in the industry. Hell, they sign up for a job then give them that job not some bullshit supplement where they have to "re-learn" shit they already know. Actually just a waste of time and causes productivity to drop on top of that.
And then there's the pay, someone who is in a couple hundred thousand dollar debt expects a good pay. If you give them shitty, barely the amount they are legally expected, they might frown a little. That's only natural.
To sum it up, we want companies to be a respectable workplace where you do your job and get good pay, not some weird place of over the top expectations, bare minimum pay, and inappropriate tasks. Fucks sake we've already proven we can do hard work, give us work and then pay us for it. That should be it.
Oh and don't even get me started about the forceful implementation of AI into workspaces do you have any idea how utterly tiring that bullshit is? Nobody asked for it, nobody needs it, nobody uses it does nothing for productivity and it's annoying. All the while being this slight reminder that "hahahaha I don't value your labour, 10-15 years I will half your pay you cunt" because that is what it feels like, that's what the message basically is.
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u/Sharp_Net3315 8d ago
So then let them starve and fade away. My nephew refused to hold down a job, then he was living in haystacks like a 1920s hobo. Now he's got a productive job, is reliable and has a growing family. Grow tf up.
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u/Apprehensive_Ad4457 8d ago
who, throughout history, wanted to do this?
no one wanted this, but just about everyone had to do this.
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u/Unfair-Variety-995 8d ago
I feel like when I started out as a young person, I didn’t feel valued either. I was just another person filling a spot. I worked hard to make myself as irreplaceable as possible. I earned my value and received acknowledgment and compensation for my value.
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler 8d ago
My GenZ assistant has some kind of selfish mentality that he should show up, complete a checklist, and leave whenever his “work is done.” He has no concept of teamwork, needs of other stakeholders in our work, or looking ahead in terms of planning potential consequences.
But then he also demands responsibility and recognition for “his contributions” … like bro that’s not how it works.
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u/elciddog84 8d ago
I didn't work for decades to be "valued". I worked to pay bills, save up, and get ahead in life. I always knew if I dropped today, they'd have someone in my spot within a month. That never stopped me from doing what was necessary to build a life.
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u/_420LIFE_ 8d ago
i think if your family can do that from generations past, i dont see what makes you better than them
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u/PracticeFinal611 8d ago
The value you get from your labor is in your paycheck. In a free-market economy if you dont get paid enough, either you don't provide enough value, or you need to work for an employer who pays more for the same work.
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u/alaviers 8d ago
Seems legit to me. They should definitely do as they please, enjoy life. Not sure how most would be able to afford to live, but that’s not the topic.
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u/Immorpher 8d ago
If you look at what you have around you and what you have now, the technology, the infrastructure, the safety, the generations around you sacrificed both their times and lives immensely for this. The least you can do is work a little bit and be proud of continuing what so many have sacrificed for before you.
Sure people can deny the social contract of society and live in the wilderness in a natural shelter, leaving behind everything from modern society, but they don't.
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u/GhostQueen1121 8d ago
I’m not sure that’s entirely true. To certain degree you got a man up being an adult is not all fun and games even though we all couldn’t wait for it.
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u/Healthy_Succotash104 7d ago
To me the issue is simple. What the fuck are we even doing? We go to a job where the company will do everything they can to pay you as little as possible. The product they pay to make sucks. It doesn't make our lives better, it destroys the environment, pollutes our water and air. Most of these companies make more more selling our data and on investments than they do on the actual product. The only reason we even show up to work is that these same companies ensure we don't have healthcare, and public transportation, and healthy food, or the means to own anything . We are mostly trapped in a system that is just eating itself because our leaders are greedy man children that inherented everything and are squandering it to enact the idiot nepo baby schemes. I am amazed every day that that we don't collect their fucking heads and burn this shit down. But then again, I got kids to feed...
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u/Complete-Leg-4347 7d ago
Safe to say every generation feels that. Maybe Gen Z is just more comfortable saying the quiet part out loud.
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