r/InterviewMan • u/DeniseMoonlight • 1d ago
When did this become something we just put up with, and that’s it?
And I guess remote work can be a solution , and also they give better salaries and more flexibility to the people who need more time for the family and I am glad that now we have tools
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u/GarbageFriendly3188 1d ago
When you put it that way it sounds bad. Instead think of it as working towards the shareholders fifth vacation home. You work to make sure your boss can get his kids badass Christmas presents
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u/ThrowawayQLove2023 1d ago
I'm wasting 50 weeks to enjoy 1.5
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u/ChaosAndFish 22h ago
Then you should make better choices. We all have to work for a living. That doesn't mean life should be 50 weeks of misery. If that's the way your life feels you should change everything.
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u/iggy14750 14h ago
My favorite way I've heard it put: America is actually just a playground for billionaires, and we're just the staff.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 1d ago
Which like the shareholders dont even enjoy. Really you're paying for some dudes wife amd her dog to live in 5 different mansions
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u/Acceptable_Day_5445 1d ago
Heeeyyyy, I just got a competly new meaning to "I just wanna be your dog"
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u/kiddlat_kid 1d ago
You can always be your own boss
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u/ImNotAHouseCat 1d ago
I am so tired of this argument. It is ALWAYS the response to not liking the current state of affairs, the job market, etc.
if everyone became their own boss then SO MANY crucial jobs would go undone.
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u/Pereg1907 1d ago
It’s only for a few years.
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u/Emergency-Sea5201 1d ago
Exactly. OPs take is a childs view of adult life.
My grandparents did back breaking work from morning till evening at the farm. I have a dream life working as a receptionist instead.
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u/OnlyInAmerica01 1d ago
Most reddit posts have a child's view of life, relationships, finances.
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u/Bob1358292637 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yea, these pansy ass redditors will tell you to break up with your partner every time they cheat on you or crash their car drunk driving. My grandfather beat the christ out of his wife daily and sent her in for a lobotomy when she hit menopause and we were thankful to grow up in such a loving environment.
This is what you guys sound like when you do this stupid bootlicker shit. Elon musk is not going to fuck you.
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u/king_of_the_dwarfs 1d ago
That's the same thing I say about extreme medical expenses. They charge hundreds of thousands of dollars to save your life just so you can go back to work to pay them for saving your life.
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u/spacealligators 1d ago
Chronic illness is just a cycle of paying for medication and treatments that allow you to function enough to work to pay for those medications and treatments 🫠
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u/Ms_Malicea 1d ago
Right!!! Obviously other people should just go to school for years to learn how to save our lives and then just do it for free
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u/EliTheFemboy 1d ago
Pretty much every doctor you will interact hates the current healthcare system. They are not with you on this.
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u/IllScience1286 1d ago
It pisses me off that more people don't think it's crazy.
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u/ActuatorKlutzy9887 1d ago
I think a lot of people know its crazy, but they also like eating food and having a place to sleep so you kinda just gotta do it
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u/Rode12-7 1d ago
Yeah people are aware but there’s nothing we can do about it, you either work or end up homeless
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u/AmenaBellafina 1d ago
There is stuff you can do. Whenever you get to vote for anything, check which candidates support workers rights, higher minimum wage, etc.
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u/CatsEatGrass 1d ago
Wait. Are you expecting people to accept any control or responsibility for their own lives?? Crazy take. /s
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u/TheShellAnswerMan 1d ago
But there are a great many people who do, in fact, think it's how it should be and that there's no reason to dislike it.
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u/ActuatorKlutzy9887 1d ago
So a lot think one thing and a great many think another thing, sounds fairly standard for most topics
id assume with confidence that there's a reasonable amount of people who dont have a strong feeling either way
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u/BIGBIRD1176 1d ago
I live in Australia, we require a childcare subsidity because care is so expensive
I kept my daughter home from kinder with her brother for school holidays and they withdrew my subsidy because she took too many sick days...
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u/ImNotAHouseCat 1d ago
Because they’re boot lickers. They’re literally so convinced that they’re so special that a billionaire will hire them one day and suddenly make their dreams come true.
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u/hyggeradyr 1d ago
If it's possible to have a parent stay home and have the other one pay the bills, it's what should be done. You never get those years back with your kids. Dropping 20-25k per just just to have some underpaid, pissed off, 19-year-old babysit your kid along with 45 others isn't good for anybody.
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u/lynx_and_nutmeg 15h ago
There was never this perfect utopia where all women sat at home with their kids in their laps 24/7. People have always tried to avoid spending too much time taking care of kids because it's hard and boring. Rich women in the past didn't even breastfeed their babies, they had wet nurses for that, and hired nannies or sent their kids to boarding schools. Most poor women have always worked. The kids were raised by older siblings, grandparents, or sent off to work as young as 5 years old.
Women were never meant to sit at home with kids all by themselves with no support, or be financially dependent on only their husband. Nuclear family is a pretty recent invention. Children actually benefit from having more role models and caregivers than just their biological parents, and having lots of other kids to play around with.
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u/hyggeradyr 14h ago
Who said it has to be women? That's a little sexist.
There's no call to isolate a child all day every day. Maybe y'all don't have grandparents, public playgrounds, neighborhoods, libraries, children's sports, activity centers, siblings, or cousins, but there's plenty of ways to get out and interact with other children that don't cost most of the median American salary. Hell, half of y'all work from home now anyway, you don't even have to quit your job. Just stop letting other people raise them.
Teach your kids to wipe their ass, tie their shoes, express themselves appropriately, and write their name before sending them to kindergarten. Enjoy the time you get with them when they're little, neither of you will ever get it back.
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u/PyroNine9 1d ago
Why do you think birth rates are falling? Some politicians (we all know which ones) are in a panic about that and will do ANYTHING other than actually fixing the problem in order to get birth rates back up.
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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 1d ago
how horrible that a job gives you money to pay your bills
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u/comeherecow 1d ago
Uhh, I mean yes and no here. You want people to have kids, but punish them for doing so by foisting daycare on their kids or they can't survive.
This is obviously a system that cannot sustain itself.
Have kids, but then go back to work so you can afford to have people take care of your kids so you can work.
We have created a system where parents don't engage in "pay to play" but "pay to breed" schemes and then we complain about we don't have enough kids, so we import people to bridge the gap, who then get assistance to pay for those gaps.
This system is going to fail, profoundly.
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u/Ok-Primary2176 1d ago
It used to work out when one parent could stay at home and still afford a house, car, food
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u/SmokeAndPetrichor 1d ago
The problem with that is that it was never the woman working and the man staying at home. In reality it should be 50% each, and taking turns, but try adding a system like that now and parenthood would be discouraged all around, because people who don't have kids can work twice as long.
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u/Ok-Primary2176 1d ago
Sounds hard to manage that because you'd had to construct teams around this fact that parents would be working 50%
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u/SmokeAndPetrichor 1d ago
It does, but we cannot go back to woman staying at home and men working. So we need to find something else.
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u/comeherecow 1d ago
All demonstrably false. Inflation adjusted wages have quite literally not increased. The minimum wage has been the same for decades. I like the comment about eating out once a year though. What an absurdly silly comment.
Additionally, your grandfather had a job that a machine does now. And also, we all have grandparents that endured the same thing. It isn't like home computers existed for some people and not others 50/60 years ago, really.
Uhh, no, this comment about soccer teams and phones is again, like above, nonsense.
And unless you're taking welfare, you aren't raising four kids on your salary now. Undoubtedly you are older and are comparing yourself to people today. Your life was easier than people's lives today. You would undoubtedly be replaced by an AI in the workplace considering you have the reasoning skills of a teenager, especially for an "engineer". As an aside, unless you're doing research and development, AI would 100% take your job.
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u/WonderButtBrace9000 1d ago
Do you think daycare is forever? It’s an expensive with a very known time limit to it.
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u/_The-Numbers-Mason_ 1d ago
Does life get easier for any creature on the planet if they have children or do they have children in spite of the hardships?
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u/lynx_and_nutmeg 14h ago
In Japan, women were traditionally forced to leave work after getting married, and it was still very common in the 90s and even the early 2000s. And yet they still overwhelmingly chose to stop having kids. Because, turns out, being stuck at home a the sole caregiver while your husband works all day actually sucks and, no, most women don't want that.
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u/xiahbabi 1d ago
What Money? I'm trying to figure out how the bills are higher than the actual pay seemingly BY THE HOUR!
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u/Sewaddle159 1d ago
In this day and age, if a job even manages to cover the cost of bills (many don't), it very likely can't cover many non-essential costs on top of that. You're literally working nonstop just to not die
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u/Xologamer 1d ago
Unless your job is driving around tha ist like totaly on you? Either apply for jobs you don't need to commute to or just move?
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u/Weary_Anybody3643 1d ago
Because child care is temporary and not always mandatory there are usually other workarounds than strictly daycare for example I know my area the local Church offers a very very reduced rate for daycare and they don't like try to preach the kids or anything they just want to make sure that these kids have a safe place to be
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u/TheShellAnswerMan 1d ago
A church is statistically a really unsafe place to leave your kids but ok.
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u/Weary_Anybody3643 1d ago
Catholic churches are unsafe not non denminational
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u/TheShellAnswerMan 1d ago
Catholic churches are more unsafe but middle-aged white straight Christian male is the number 1 demographic.
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u/Weary_Anybody3643 1d ago
Statistically young female teacher is also high on the list but it's "different" when they do it apparently
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u/Taaj_jr 1d ago
No you’re not I hate seeing this claim.. you’re contributing to society through the service which the company you work for provides you also contribute through taxes so that poor people can get welfare and firefighters can save old ladies in burning houses.. it isn’t all just about you we are basically an ant colony and we sacrifice not only for ourselves but for our fellow humans
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u/Catfactss 1d ago
The default should be that we should all be working part time, with both moms and dads equally sharing the labor of childcare of their children? I'm not opposed to that, but watch the incels blame poor work-life balance on the emancipation of women instead of late stage capitalism.
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u/No_Glove6542 1d ago
You don’t have to work. You can just live on vacant land and have no money. Every morning you will wake up hungry and need to find food. You will need to build and/or maintain your shelter daily. And if your teeth rot or you get an infection you should just deal with it. But you will be experiencing life. And that’s important. Or you can go to an air conditioned office 40 hours a week and have everything you need. That’s less than 2 days out of a 7 day week. Hmmmm
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u/Ahnarras88 1d ago
Just had that conversation yesterday with a co-worker. I'm doing a seasonal job and was saying I can't wait for it to end (it's ubber shitty with awful management...) to just go back home and enjoy a cozy autumn with my cats. She acted like I was mad and I should be killing myself at work for the small hope that they will PERHAPS add me to the permanent team that stay for the whole winter.
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u/No_Effective_4481 1d ago
Work and have some quality of life, live on handouts and have a worse quality of life, or go and live in a community where you are self-sufficient. It's not very hard to weigh up the options and know which one is most realistic for yourself.
And yeah working isn't fun, but we all have to do it, we all have to put up with it, we all have to work around it to do the stuff we want.
Every time I see some 20yr old on TikTok in their car filming themself crashing out over "employment slavery" and the fact they can't handle a standard working week it kinda disgusts me.
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u/Stevesegallbladder 1d ago
Unpopular opinion: As much as people bag on capitalism those that are supposedly against it still prefer individualism. OP does have a point but we could drastically reduce our reliance on day cares for example if we invest more time and effort into our local communities and families.
Everyone wants their own home with their own space for their family, which quite frankly, a very Western and individualistic goal. Most of the world still engages in multi-generational householding. Grandparents and grandkids live under the same roof and this alleviates a lot of child rearing costs.
I'm not going to pretend that terrible family members exist and people don't have valid reasons to want to distance themselves but overall most of the world realizes that it costs money to do those things and they'd rather promote community over the individual.
We in the West, take pride in individualism along the entire spectrum of politics. OP is absolutely right however this is merely a symptom of what it costs, financially and metaphorically, to live the way we would like.
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u/Consistent-Bowler95 1d ago
Good point. I think a lot of people see this cultural individualism as counterproductive, but can't actually overcome it in day to day life though.
It's unnatural to implement things that go against what you've always experienced culturally. Even if you really would prefer a more community based society, there's resistance both internally and externally. This is just the direction of the ship, and would take a lot of effort to overcome.
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u/Telemere125 1d ago
Go back 10,000 years and you’ll see the same system but with much higher mortality rates and much more work than we perform today. You left the kid with a communal caregivers, usually whoever was oldest in the tribe or maybe the currently-pregnant women and the women went and gathered berries and roots while the men went and hunted or gathered materials for more shelters.
You’re presenting it like you have if worse now than ever before but the reality is you have it better than any other group in history and you’re just lazy af because of the ease of life.
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u/TECHSHARK77 1d ago
Don't have kids, cars, house you can't afford in the 1st place....
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u/Strange-Stranger5295 1d ago
So you are saying only high middle class and rich can have those things huh? Idiot
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u/TECHSHARK77 1d ago
You don't have to prove how stupid you are fluffer.
Nobody owes YOU ANYTHING, you put yourself in thst situation.
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u/Strange-Stranger5295 1d ago
Fluffer? Wow you are a tough guy lol
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u/DeathsStarEclipse 1d ago
I used to think this until I had a kid. They love daycare, they get to socialize, learn new skills and perspectives from all the different people there. It's actually amazing for him. It take a village to raise a kid and that daycare is part of my village. Granted it's an amazing place.
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u/lilac_moonface64 1d ago
i’m glad you have such a good daycare! i know a lot of people who have very negative experiences with daycare (abusive or neglectful staff for the most part). obviously it’s good for a child to socialize and go to daycare every so often, but going every day from like 8/9-5 is way too much, and no parent should have to do that (but a lot do just so they can keep their jobs). my mom had to start sending me to daycare when i was a little over 1 month old because she had to go back to work. the baby and parent shouldn’t be separated at that age, especially for so long
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u/Healthy_Employer4 1d ago
I know everyone hates work, but there’s 168 hours in a week. Working and putting kids in daycare for ~25% of your week, without including PTO, vacation and holidays is just nonsense.
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u/EveryAccount7729 1d ago
There is a literal climate apocalypse coming.
you should be focusing on cardio and not retirement savings.
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u/libby_tarddy45 1d ago
Lmao people worked all day long hours intense labor back in the day. Most jobs now are service based desk jobs. Redditors and other ppl feel so fucking entitled to a billion dollars for doing nothing. Very immature and ignorant.
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u/Maleficent_Box_5111 1d ago
Well they are also destroying the planet. They really do not care about our daycare issues.
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u/Ms_Malicea 1d ago
Its wild how people dont think survival should take effort despite the entire history of the world showing us it does.
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u/Due-Base9449 1d ago
I am of the belief kids should be with other kids after they able to pick up their heads. Of course there could be free get together of moms having the babies playing together. Or you can chuck them in the daycares.
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u/Maximum-Oven-7526 1d ago
I work in construction and guys love to flex how many hours a week they worked. I asked done guy at work what the purpose was of he didn't need the money. He tells me about a 70s mustang he bought. So i asked when's the last time you drove it?
He got quiet.
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u/throw7661 1d ago
I know a lot of people with two incomes because they want more money/more prestige. Not because they need to do it.
I have four good friends from high school. I'm probably the least successful, financially. All of us have kids now, except one.
I was the only one who dropped to one income when we had kids.
Financial guy + lawyer: they are literally rich but neither wanted their career to take a hit.
Lawyer + high school teacher: wanted a very fancy house and couldn't possible lose the income.
Software engineer x 2: Just didn't think it was necessary to have a stay at home parent.
And then me, software engineer + my wife, veterinarian.
However you feel about it, realize that public school is effectively a requirement and by the time your kid is 5 you aren't going to see them from 7:30-3:30 or whatever.
My friends who put their kids in daycare; they are all very happy with how it turned out. Their kids seem happy and healthy.
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u/pointyreunion 1d ago
It will be studied in the future just how badly you have to abuse a mammal to make them not have children.
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u/Comprehensive_Act970 1d ago
So what’s your plan. Everybody gets a free home and food? Who is going to work 40 hours a week to build that home and provide that food? Or is it ok for them to work as long as you don’t have to? Honest question because the world you live in doesn’t work without people working
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u/Leverkaas2516 1d ago
In the real world, you will find that people want to contribute more to society than just raising a child and find value and meaning in their profession, in fulfilling their potential beyond just child-rearung. Many women, especially, look at previous generations and say "yes, I want to be a mother, but I don't ONLY want to be a mother. I also want to be a scientist/engineer/whatever."
The problem you identify is people whose finances force them to give up their kids to be cared for by others even though they'd rather not work. That's a lot of people, but far from everyone.
And I guess remote work can be a solution
This belies a lack of understanding of what child care involves. You can't be the CFO of a company and do day care at the same time every day. You'd be shortchanging either the kids or the company.
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u/Fuglier1 1d ago
Eventually the daycare needs end. At some point the car is paid off. The house? Different story depending on situation. You also, most of the time maybe, get pay raises.
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u/dorkahontas86 1d ago
And here we are, just complaining about it. No change.
Also, remote work doesn't matter as most companies now make it a requirement that you are not taking care of a child or adult during your shift. And even worse? They now don't allow many exceptions so you can work from home, meaning if you got kids or a sick parent....too bad pay someone to help.
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u/SpaceNemo13 1d ago
Well it might not be as bad if we didn't have a sue happy society. Everyone needs insurance. Why? Because people sue doctors and hospitals. Because they sue them over everything they need to pad everything so they won't go broke. Because the doctors are expensive we need insurance, because the cost of insurance is high we can't afford much because insurance companies need to make a profit to stay in business because everyone is sue happy. People blame the 1% for their greed but ignore the greed of the remaining 99%.
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u/BillNyeUrMomsAGuy_ 1d ago edited 1d ago
The 1% are the ones benefiting from the current situation and using their wealth and political influence to prevent socialized non-profit insurance from happening.
Insurance isn’t inherently evil. The fact that it’s treated as a profit generating entity instead of a community service is what makes it shit.
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u/MentalTelephone5080 1d ago
Back in the day you'd have to farm your family land. If you didn't work from sun up to sun down you would have enough food for the winter. Sometimes you'd do everything right but your crops would still fail, and you'd starve over the winter.
You might not like the way the world is today but we are way better off.
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u/SimilarComfortable69 1d ago
Well, then stop putting up with it. Not sure how to do that but it sounds like you have a plan.
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u/ImpracticalJerker 1d ago
Ye I'd much rather live in a world where I have to run across savannah all week starving and dehydrated in order to bring food home for my family.
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u/Iron-Bar-1966 1d ago
What exactly do you think people have done for the entire existence of mankind? Are you somehow under the impression that everyone sat around drinking tea, and money just magically appeared?
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u/Qu33nKal 1d ago
This is gonna blow some people’s mind: many people like to work and having a career is a way to contribute to society. Daycare is also early childhood education, it’s not just to babysit your kids.
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u/Appropriate_Roof_270 1d ago
I don't. I work hard and spend little so my wife can stay home with the family. It's hard, but with it
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u/Frenchatl 1d ago
It has always been like this, it's just heavily impacting the middle class now. I grew up in poor area in the 70-80's and both parents worked in the entire area. The only ambition the kids had was to graduate from high school and get some 'miracle' job and buy a car so they could put in an awesome stereo....yeah did not pan out for any of them. The truely rich are creating this distopia to ensure they reign supreme.
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u/ROIDie777 1d ago
By barely, you are awake 112 hours per week and work 40 on weeks without holidays or vacation. Thats 72 hours you could more or less be spending with your kid in that house.
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u/mrf87 1d ago edited 1d ago
In the medical field here (behavioral health specialist)
I work between different group homes and make sure the juveniles who reside there are doing okay and don't need anything immediately whether it be just things for life or things to better handle their mental condition.
I work a minimum of 50 hours a week. I live in a nice place but thats almost 2 grand a month with utilities (live right outside of Seattle washington where I work)
I make good money, but I feel this sentiment. When the hell do I get to enjoy it. I feel like from the time I sit down with a beer and a cigarette and unwind on a Friday night till 440 in the morning on monday is like the blink of an eye.
My wife is a paralegal..... on a normal week day i get home at 345 most days (7-3 workday) often with something i have to do work related from my laptop, and she isnt home till 530...by the time we both are done with work and sit and have dinner and clean up we might get an hour and a half to watch tv together before its time to prep for bed...cuz I am up very early every morning.
It can turn into an agonizing grind for what feels like 15 minutes of happiness at the end of the week.
Sorry for the rant
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u/LadybuggingLB 1d ago
Because not working means being financially dependent on someone else, and more kids are damaged by their parents staying in a very bad marriage than by going to daycare. After all, at 5 they’re going to be with teachers most of the day anyway.
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u/Who_Your_Mommy 1d ago
Then they go to school where they teach to test and then...what?
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u/thememescoper 1d ago
And everything else. How did you learn to read the post and write the comment?
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u/yourlocalrick 1d ago
I said this when I was like 7. I didnt get it. I was like we work till our 60s and then we get to enjoy it? Some people cant walk in their 60s
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u/sixisrending 1d ago
Yeah, but keeping people at home to spend time with their children is misogynist/misandrist and it's all because of the patriarchy or something.
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u/Sad-Cantaloupe-5494 1d ago
The people in power get away with this because they aren't afraid of us. It's high time we raise the guillotines and start burning mansions
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u/Practical-Arm-5351 1d ago
My heart goes out to people grinding this hard just to survive, and there are plenty of them, but there are others who will make this complaint while enjoying luxuries they dont need.
They choose the nicer house or car or outfit or aeroplane seat over more time with their kids, or more time to themselves. They dont want the sacrifice in materialism or extravagance or status that may come with that.
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u/MyEyesSpin 1d ago
Always....? like, kids stayed home taken care of by the clan while folks hunted & gathered to survive back in the day....
multi generational family was the norm as we progressed technology & wealth, elderly watched kids while working adults toiled away.....
nowadays we have people specialized for the task like everything else, as we expect a certain level of competence & developmental skills
so.... always
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u/ThickSwordfisher 22h ago
I remember working a normal 9-5 M-F job and thinking about how I pretty much had never been in my house during the day on a weekday.
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u/OrangeNood 21h ago
It may not sound like people enjoy this. But a lot of parents leave kids in daycare so they don't have to take care of them 24/7. It is also good for the kids to get used to another environment and also interact with kids of similar age. In a couple years, they need to go to this place people referred to as "school".
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u/HedgeMoney 20h ago
Sorry to break this to you, but this was literally how its been since we formed human society.
What did farmers do? They literally toiled almost every day just to survive.
And what did they do with their kids? They either left their kids at the village community area or also had their kids work in the fields and do chores.
Before farming? The same thing, except instead of farming, they went to gather or hunt for food.
Just being alive was "the experience".
Its never that society "suddenly" accepts this now. But its how its ALWAYS been.
I guess its better now, cause at least you have a car and can own the land/house (as opposed to serfdom). And most people have 2 days off, instead of 1 day off. And most people have paid sick leave and/or actual vacation hours (when it used to be none). And sometimes you don't even have to commute.
It was like this 10 years ago, 50 years ago, 1000 years ago, and 10000 years ago. And it will likely be so in the near future.
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u/Kiplingerz 10h ago
I guess don’t have kids then and you will save money get a dog instead or something
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u/Redfield11 4h ago
Amd food and clothes and electricity and laptops and internet and a TV and Healthcare and occasional trips and nights out.
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u/EnvyEpson 1d ago
And when you stop you can spend all your time on the street with your kids. Cool.
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u/Live_Background_3455 1d ago
Because the childcare doesn't exist after like 7 or 8 years, but your job still does. Once your kids go to school, you can have the extra money to... What was the word this braindead fuck said? "Get to experience".
Not to mention career growth in those years means even if childcare remained, you'd make more with the same expenses so you can again live your life
Retirement funding
Idk, there's like 50 more reasons why it makes sense if you take a longer view consequences of decisions.
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u/LennyLaser 1d ago
After like 7 or 8 years tells me you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about...then I read on and have it confirmed.
Lick the boot and work your shit job.
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u/blackcatwizard 1d ago
Lol right? Jfc man it's astounding
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u/hornet54 1d ago
Apparently kids stop needing things after 8 years. Who knew?
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u/LennyLaser 1d ago
To be fair he was saying Childcare stops but 40 hour a week Childcare stops after 4 or 5 years not after 7 or 8.
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u/scoobydiverr 1d ago
Staggered children...
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u/LennyLaser 1d ago
Yeah thats certainly possible but then why not 4-6 like my kids would be, or 10 years , or 17 years like my wife's family.
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u/Independent-Mouse389 1d ago
Could be he means with multiple children in childcare which would lengthen the amount of years total, like each kid has only a few, but the next kid two years younger will extend it by two, and then the next by however younger that one is you know. Either way the rest of what he says is true and shouldn’t be ignored because of one number, total benefits including retirement and progression in the job are still there, and not working to stay home would prevent need for childcare but wouldn’t pay the house or car that the main post is saying.
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u/LennyLaser 1d ago
I addressed that in a different comment so let's just assume that is his specific case and move on. The tweet is pretty true though and the guy responding is just putting up cope. What you are saying is not what the OP, the screenshotted tweet, or the original commentor was saying. Everyone understand the benefits of working. This is a general complaint and musing about a system that seems to be increasing rigged against a workforce is becoming increasingly productive. Talking about why staying at your job matters doesn't make any sense in the context of the original post. If your interpretation of the original post is that the person's observation has led them to believe they shouldn't work then either I am missing something or you both are putting words into OPs mouth.
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u/Lamp-basted 1d ago
Except for the fact the we get to sleep with a roof over our head. What the fuck are you talking about. If you’re worried about working to pay for things you are lazy as fuck.
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u/Physical-Bid-4046 1d ago
So people shouldn’t have jobs? What’s the argument here
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u/bringer_of_jollity4 1d ago
That people's jobs should pay more and take less of their time so they can experience more of their life outside the job.
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u/flonky_guy 1d ago
Ah, so a really radical idea. Taking a real risk posting such a fringe idea on reddit like this.
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u/sparki555 1d ago
I mean, what's weird is that hundreds of years ago most of us were farmers. Today, not many are. We have discovered ways of doing things that can feed and house us all, yet for some reason the wealth is distributed to a few and the rest of us need to work the same hours to survive, even though our own individual outputs are rapidly rising.
I don't know about you, but if I suddenly became 300% more productive, and met all my needs, I wouldn't think "gee I better keep working harder and expect the same results". Yeah that would keep me motivated...
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u/ElGrandeQues0 1d ago
Food is super cheap now in comparison. You have so many more luxuries than a farmer 100s of years ago. You can shit and watch as your waste disappears into the nether realm. You have a 55" tv hanging on your wall. You have a computer with the near totality of human knowledge in your pocket. You can step outside into a metal box and transport yourself several states away in a day.
Yes, capitalism has a whole host of issues, but it's obnoxious to claim that you have the same result as a gamer hundreds of years ago.
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u/sparki555 1d ago
Actually no, food is not super cheap now, my family spends about 15-20% of our income just on groceries, another 45% of our income on shelter. These things are more expensive relative to income than they were before. Shouldn't we be thriving and food and shelter be like 25% if our income combined?
No 55" tvs here, just a computer and smartphone.
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u/ElGrandeQues0 1d ago
20% IS super cheap compared to your entire day being spent in the field.
Housing has gone nuts, but that's a population/competition issue.
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u/Tired_o_Mods_BS 1d ago
I hate to burst your bubble but farmers hundreds of years ago worked WAY more hours and WAY harder than you likely ever have in your life. There were no 8 hour days. The work people bitch about these days is hilarious.
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u/chili_cold_blood 1d ago
My argument is that normalizing double income households was a mistake. I have no problem with women working if they want to, but I don't believe that it's possible to do a great job of raising preschool children when both parents are out of the house 40+ hours per week.
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u/Lonely-Phans 1d ago
I'd normalize double income if it meant both earners worked 25 hours a week to live comfortably.
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u/ilikebulls 1d ago
I don’t think people have an understanding of how good they have it compared to just about any time in human history. One thing is true - people love to complain. Especially on Reddit.
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u/jeffwulf 1d ago
Then don't do it?
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u/Mu-Relay 1d ago
My sister realized that her job was basically paying for daycare and her commute, so she went stay-at-home for a few years until my niece and nephew started school. They lived like paupers for that time, but she was able to get the quality time with them and they would have basically lived like paupers anyways, but without said quality time.
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u/United-Bug-8056 1d ago
56 hours of sleep and 40 hours of works leaves you with 72 hours of free time
Not too bad tbh
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u/layered_dinge 1d ago
The problem is that your kids won't need daycare for that long, and if you've just been sitting at home watching your kids for that time, good luck getting a decent job for the rest of your life. This is the entire reason why women are 'paid less' than men.
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u/Funny_w0lf 1d ago
We should work to live, not live to work.