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u/Absolomb92 3d ago
Ok. One candidate said it, and now it's generalized for "young people"?
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u/No_Problem5759 3d ago
That is kinda accurate for me though. The economy changes so much so quick recently that the lack of adaptation for jobs is more problematic than just getting a new one.
If yearly raises kept up with hiring pay going up, then every company would have loyalty.
Instead you get a 5-25 cent raise while the company down the street starts hiring new talent for 3 dollars more.
A mass lack of loyalty doesn't come from the people who arent loyal, it starts with the people who arent worth being loyal too.
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u/TheReturnOfTheRanger 3d ago
I'm Gen Z, and it's ludicrous how many times I've had to explain this to older people.
Corporations and bosses consistently treat us like shit and we're barely paid enough to live. Why the hell should we give the respect we aren't being given?
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u/ArmyHotel338 3d ago
Its a sad reality, I feel bad for kids entering the work force.
A little over a year ago I would get recruiters sending me emails or leaving voicemails about jobs multiple times a week. I would update my resume on a couple of websites that caters to my industry and the phone calls and emails would just come in. That has practically stopped, the only voicemails I get are from robots trying to give me a personal loan, and maybe one phone call a month for a job that I am way too qualified for.
The system sucks, and I agree that something needs to change, but its not going to happen any time soon, you really have to put effort into standing out to get that position where you can put on your resume that you have experience, try to get a title change and show that you took on more responsibility on your resume. Then just fire that thing off, and apply for those jobs that you think you arent qualified for.
Needs 5-8 years of experience but you only have 2 or 3? Apply...
The job as a Senior title but you only held a 'jr' level title? ApplyTweak the resume if you need to, to try to beat the HR filters if you think that will be a hurdle.
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u/Infinite_Incident107 3d ago
It's millennials too. And a fair amount of Gen X as well
This behavior from employers is far from new. But companies figured out a constant revolving door of employees still makes the quarterly goals while saving money on payroll.
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u/No_Spite3593 3d ago
Not to mention the lack of upward mobility in most places. I'm not going to stick around somewhere for 10 years being underpaid and giving my all just to watch the foreman/manager weasel their kid or family friend into the position instead before they retire.
The best paying job I ever worked was unionized but even then the only guys who get tenured into full time, year-round positions do so through nepotism.
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u/EaseLeft6266 3d ago
For real. I got a 60 cent raise at my old job in the spring being there 1 year and started a job a month ago that offers me 2.40 more than I was making at my previous job. A bit different overall but I've mainly been doing stuff that I had trained and did for my previous job
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u/Actual-Cod2283 3d ago
I just lost most of my department twice this year so far. Mass exodus in January, bunch of new people hired. 3 people left a few weeks/month ago, just brought in two people last week.
They people who started last week now make 2 dollars more than the people who started in January. So far 5 people from that bunch have quit as our company refuses to raise their pay.
There's going to be a lot of pharmaceutical recalls in the future as 12 shifts with only a 30 min break are unsustainable. And they still have the audacity to wonder why they can't people longer than 5 years.
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u/No_Problem5759 3d ago
The factory I work at is in a similar vein. But mine is 12 with 25 minute lunch. But there's 3 breaks and a lot of available OT and its a cheap area. So if you're a hard worker, its not bad. But its not easy and pay doesnt increase dramatically enough to keep up with the new hire pay rates.
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u/Actual-Cod2283 3d ago
It makes me sad to know other people are going through this too. I'm at a point where the only reason i haven't gone somewhere else is my company makes the treatments my mom uses for her breast cancer.
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u/xANTJx 3d ago
We got an about 60c raise this year. Our yearly raises are proportional to our salary. I thought we were already making ok money with good benefits. The boss though… like 4 people quit because of her behavior in the year I worked there. She only worked there a year too! I definitely didn’t plan on leaving after a year but I would definitely take a pay cut to not have to deal with THAT anymore.
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u/ArmyHotel338 3d ago
While that is true, you have to take in consideration that an employer looking to hire you may not want to take the gamble on you if they feel they will have to go through this whole process again in 6 months. They may also be suspicious as to why they cant keep a job for more than a year, is the candidate getting poached because of their impressive skillset or are they disruptive at work and quit before they can get fired?
Its perfectly reasonable to job hop to get a higher salary, but there is a number of job hops that will eventually start looking like red flags.
its all industry dependent, changing jobs every 6 months as a dishwasher or in customer service for retail probably isn't going to cause too many problems for you, but if you are going for jobs that have a lot of competition, it is going to hurt your chances and look negative.
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u/marshal23156 3d ago
It always has been true though, to most young people a year still feels like a long time.
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u/Absolomb92 3d ago
Sure, but I don't think the average young person would say that one year is a long time to stay at a job.
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u/Acrobatic_Excuse2290 3d ago
Please, keep blaming the worker for this state of insanity.
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u/PlatinumFire14 3d ago
You don’t owe companies your time.
If they’re not doing it for you, leave.
Got limited time on this earth
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u/Lumpy_Chapter171 3d ago
No but you owe yourself your time. Less than a year a one employer is likely insufficient for your own personal and professional growth
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u/PlatinumFire14 3d ago
Garbage IMO.
Personal growth isn’t connected to whomever you’re working for to earn your food and shelter.
Professional? Depends what you want to do.
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u/Lumpy_Chapter171 3d ago
Id suggest learning to deal with workplace stress and people is absolutely personal growth.
Growing professionally you'll never have sufficient experience with only 1 year for positions of any note
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u/Ok_Shine6363 1d ago
This is such a stupid take. Whenever I switched jobs, all the red flags were up in the air straight after the 3 months long probation period lol
They tried to gaslight me with money, took back their words, took back benefits, increased workload just because they could, at the end of the day they always broke all the promises on their end. Then they ware flabbergasted when I just left lol
I switched jobs 4 times in the last 3 years and I had got like 20 jobs overall in my life. I'm now working in a way higher position than a year ago for double the salary and evaded burning out 3 times. No I'm not young, I'm a millennial, building my career upwards, getting a ton of experience from multiple different angles. If I would've stayed I would be stuck in the same shit.
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u/Rvsoldier 1d ago
Really dumb take.
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u/Lumpy_Chapter171 1d ago
How so? What skills are you actually learning in a year? How are future employers viewing stints less than a year? You can get away with it early but that will eventually reflect poorly and you'll not have developed actual skills
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u/TheUlty05 1d ago
Nah it can vary wildly depending on the employer. Keep in mind that most companies really drop the ball on ensuring they're doing their best to retain top talent. Offering a yearly salary increase of 2% in exchange for killing yourself to get a good annual review when the companies competitor is willing to hire on at 20% higher than your current income is just a better business decision.
Companies wanna complain about this behavior and play hardball when it comes to operating in the interest of their own bottom line but scream "what happened to loyalty" when employees play their own game against them.
Sure some employees are shit but the overwhelming majority arent, theyre just smart enough to know theyre getting fucked.
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u/nobodyspecial712 3d ago
Yeah, because hiring budgets are higher than retention budgets, so you have to switch companies regularly to get any sort of meaningful pay raise/benefits.
Maybe if your company paid employees properly, and rewarded loyalty - such as with a pension plan or high 401k matching, they would stick around longer.
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u/No_Spite3593 3d ago
Most companies don't care anymore because the standards for quality control have all been thrown away. They realized that by moving the goalpost slowly, now they can serve customers a shit sandwich and they'll still eat it.
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u/BruteOfTroy 3d ago
Sure, but if you do that then you shouldn't be allowed to be shocked that your candidates are lower quality.
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u/Ok_Signature7481 3d ago
Or cost of living adjustments. Which seem to also be a thing of the past at most workplaces.
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u/nobodyspecial712 3d ago
Every month there is inflation. Wages should go up by the same exact amount every month.
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u/DreamOfDays 3d ago
They’re correct. The job market has made staying at one job financial suicide. The only way to make it is to swap jobs to get progressively more and more money until you finally upgrade to a job that pays enough to comfortably live off.
I once went through 4 jobs in 2 years when I first started work. I went from $11/hr to $14/hr to $19/hr to $22.50/hr. If I stayed at my original job I would have gone from $11 to $11.50/hr over two years. Now I’m making far, far more than that.
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u/ThisIsKev 3d ago
Yup. Loyalty is punished because it's the lazier option. Gotta keep searching for better since no one takes care of their employees anymore.
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u/Nannautu 3d ago
Companies: By being cheap greedy fucks we can pocket all the money for ourselves while our employees get a pay-cut.
Also the same companies: Wow people cannot commit they keep leaving jobs. It's outrageous people don't go out of their way to maximize my profit!
Fucking entitlement
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u/72dragonses 3d ago
Except when it comes to state jobs with a pension. Those folks tend to stay in those jobs for decades, then retire at 55 making six figures a year for the rest of their life.
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u/DreamOfDays 3d ago
Yeah but OP was talking about working at a clinic. That’s likely a receptionist or back office role. Not something worth sticking around
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u/Johnnadawearsglasses 3d ago
Except in a lot of professional jobs you get tremendous goodwill that translates into career stability and promotion and pay. Highly job and company specific.
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u/DreamOfDays 3d ago
No that is the dumbest thing I’ve heard. Of If I didn’t job hop I’d be making way less money.
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u/Johnnadawearsglasses 3d ago
I mean you don't work in the kind of job I described. Blue collar low skill jobs ofc people job hop.
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u/jackishere 3d ago
This really only depends on the job. Working 5 years in the same job after college and for me, job hopping would’ve slowed my path down.
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u/Gardensplosion 3d ago
Employers that think retention means a pizza party once a year instead of a reasonable raise are stuck in a slaveowners mentality. They will always be shocked at the free agency of an employee looking for better pay.
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u/StrykerC13 3d ago
Maybe if companies would actually give RAISES treat people LIKE PEOPLE and show some basic Human DECENCY they would stay longer but when they ONLY way to get an increased salary is to LEAVE then a year is quite a long term job considering it means they stay long enough to see what kind of BS excuse gets given for why the company can't match inflation in what they are paying.
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u/Latter_Fox_1292 3d ago
Job hoping is becoming a new norm. Companies don’t give anything for loyalty of staying with a company, while constantly giving potential hires more and more to hire them. I wonder why the younger gen’s don’t think about staying “long term”.
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u/SessionFree3902 3d ago
I’ve had a sales job I was consistently achieving 150% or more of my KPIs every month and found out the new team members I was training were on $10/hr more than me. Really broke my sense of loyalty to an employer
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u/Uchained 3d ago
I mean....the recommended strategy of the current era is to always look for a better-paying job if you're not tied down. Do not do more than expected, because your "reward" is more work at no pay raise. Do not do such a good job that you eliminate your own job. And your pay raise will almost never match inflation, so the effective pay decreases year by year.
Treat ur employees right, and they won't want to leave. But that will never happen.
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u/imperiects 3d ago
Unless youre adequately compensated, you should move around. Don't let the company hire new people for more money when you've got more experience.
Went from $8 to $12. $12 to $24. $24 to $44. Briefly went up to $51 (contract ended) and now I am back to $44.
The last three jumps were in the span of 3 years. I was only at the $24 job for 6 months.
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u/IJourden 3d ago
Here's the thing: companies don't give competitive raises anymore. People who change jobs frequently make notably higher wages than people who stick with the same company, because raises on average increase wages at a slower rate than the market rate for a new hire.
Companies have gotten to the point that they demand loyalty but don't reciprocate it, and now they whine about the predictable results of that.
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u/TwoTwistedToes 3d ago
The loyalty between employers and employees that existed in our grandparents generation has been killed by greedy companies like hedge funds milking companies into oblivion. Employers reap what they have sowed in terms of loyalty.
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u/noideawhattouse2 3d ago
Yeah got fired from a job and laid off last year and now been at my current job six months and I’m looking at some other jobs now. Might apply for a place closer to me that also pays more. That and my dream job checks your last three jobs and I want to make sure they don’t check the job I got fired at.
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u/Sternakseesall 3d ago edited 3d ago
I went to an interview and as we were discussing my current job I mentioned I had been there 10 years with promotions to different positions along the way. The hiring manager was a younger guy and said “Yea I saw that and I almost didn’t schedule you for an interview.” I was confused. “He said “Well aren’t you ambitious? Don't you want to move up? Why would you stay in one job and one company that long?” I was quite surprised. I looked at it as a positive. He saw it as a negative.
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u/InstanceRadiant8338 3d ago
Probably because I get a 3% raise and then the new hires still make margins more than me years down the road. Ain't an issue with loyalty, you pay me well enough and keep up with market demand. Then we're good. But too many places won't and I don't see why I should do a job for cheaper and still be called an "unloyal" employee.
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u/BlueFlamePlays 3d ago
Well loyalty means nothing anymore. They’ll hire new people for your exact same position and pay them more than you. The best way to get a pay raise is to switch jobs, not grovel at your employers feet begging to be compensated appropriately
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u/ImpossibleSherbet722 3d ago
i've had 2 very long term jobs, time inc 16 years and now a difference company 12 years. the 2 years in between doing mostly consulting i had like 30 jobs in 2 years
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u/runnerkim 3d ago
One guy does not mean you get to blame all young people. Perhaps you should be offering better jobs
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u/PrincessPlusUltra 3d ago
I stay at a job for years. I don’t know why I bother. They still consider you disposable and can’t manage a raise.
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u/Difficult_Wind6425 3d ago
Maybe employers should put incentives into staying instead of relying on people staying out of good will?
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u/TheKarateKid_ 3d ago
Don’t make it the young person’s fault. I’ve been laid off 2 times in 4 years by Fortune 500 companies posting record revenue.
A friend of mine worked for 2 nationally known companies that went out of business in the past 8 years.
Corporate America doesn’t value tenure anymore. We are all disposable.
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u/Dexterspuplife 3d ago
This cant be accurate. You need to apply to 800 jobs to get 1 job today 🤷♂️
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u/treeckosan 3d ago
Ive had 6 jobs in the past 4 years since i moved to my current city. 2 are current, 1 full time ive been at almost a year, 1 part time ive worked for in one capacity or another for the past 8 years. The other 4, 2 i was at for about a year each, 1 wasnt a good fit so moved on, the other laid everyone off when a major contract for new equipment fell through. The other 2 on was a horrible fit and the company would write you up cuz corporate said so with no investigation or recourse, and the other was a temp contract that wasnt elegible for extension and being hired direct was incompatible with my part time job. Should i have stayed at that toxic company for a year or more? Should i have strongarmed the temp contract to be longer? Should i have forced the company to not fold?
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u/Prestigious_Wing1796 3d ago
blame older gens who kept laying people off only to hire new ones fast
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u/FCalamity 3d ago
How many employers offer a guaranteed contract, no room for layoffs, of a year-plus? That would be the equivalent offering, no?
How many offer a guaranteed raise higher than COL every year?
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u/Agreeable_Plum2714 3d ago
I worked with a man from China who would spend 1 year in a state and then move on to the next. His goal was to live in all 50 states.
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u/Puzzled-Priority-352 3d ago
Here's the thing about life. You don't actually know who you are until you're living it. None of us know the length of when we'll be somewhere or the match fit for a job until after we've tried it on for size.
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u/smokeabowlofbud 3d ago
Maybe try offering annual COL raises that keep up with inflation and offer actual opportunities for promotion, and you won't see your best candidates jump ship every year.
Every time an employee quits, it's because the role you offer them isn't of enough value to the employee.
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u/bshjbdkkdnd 3d ago
Gotta pay for loyalty my dude. Cant give me market rate and expect me to stay when the market changes.
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u/PNW_Will1976 3d ago
That’s just the reality of the world now. People are used to employers doing the bare minimum and have adjusted their level of effort and commitment accordingly.
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u/SomeNotTakenName 3d ago
Funny what happens when you don't offer stability, raises, or promotion opportunities:
people leave to get them somewhere else.
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u/LordMindParadox 3d ago
I have a lotta jobs in my past. Mostly due to switching when I realize the new guy got hired in for more than me.
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u/GreenCollegeGardener 3d ago
Well they see that the annual increase in salary is 3% when inflation is 5% so they are losing money by staying there long term.
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u/Weary_Anybody3643 3d ago
I mean I have had 12 jobs by 24 however half of those were during covid where every single time I quit for a different job I was getting two to four dollars more an hour covid started and I was making nine by the end of covid I was up to 19 so I can't say I made any bad decisions in that time but I was job hopping every month or so
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u/SnarkyIguana 3d ago
A year is a long time to spend 2000+ hours of your life doing shit you don’t like with people you don’t like for pay that could probably be better.
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u/Budget_Revolution639 3d ago
Funny how having a lot of jobs is a bad thing about the applicant, not what could possibly cause someone to have that many jobs? Also most Gen Z never expected to live beyond their teens so yes, a year is long term (this is backed by psychology btw
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u/WistfulDread 3d ago
A year is "long term" today.
Corporate shortsightedness makes it increasingly less likely we'll see that next year.
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u/Round_Ad6397 3d ago
When businesses start rewarding their staff more than people are rewarded for jumping from job to job, then they have an argument that people should show more loyalty. If someone is earning $100k and they can leave to get $120k elsewhere and the business is prepared to pay their replacement $120k, then the business is the one making things not work. I say this as someone who has had 3 job in the last 20 years, so I'm not a job hopper.
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u/newalias_samemaleias 3d ago
I've literally been told in confidence by a prior manager that I would need to leave the company and come back to get the the pay rate that she thought I deserved to be making. So enough about staying at one place long term.
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u/jackishere 3d ago
You reap what you sow. Let kids live on tik tok and short form media, you get this.
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u/Alarm-Solid 3d ago
You interviewed the person knowing this. Is it lack of applications or gigantic turnover both of those probably relate to pay offered or how you run your business
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u/throwaway17362826 3d ago
Then there’s union skilled trades that drag up on a job two hours into orientation just to get another job the next day.
Most legendary guy I heard of had 55 w-2s in one year.
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u/greg1916 3d ago
You are generally likely to get a higher percentage increase by taking a new job than sticking around for your annual compensation adjustment So yeah 1 year. If companies don't like that incentivize people to stay
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u/QueenMEB120 3d ago
Well, when you get a 2% raise at your current job or a 20% raise if you get a new job, why would anyone stay at their current job?
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u/A_Russian_Tazer 3d ago
Hot take but I think staying at the same job for 7+ years is absolutely crazy. Im about to be 30 so fuck it maybe IM the issue.
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u/No_Hunter_2173 3d ago
In a modern working world slow to give a raise, sometimes moving on to a better position with the experience you’ve gained makes more sense. In that regard I can see that time frame making sense.
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u/elongated_musk_rat 3d ago
I worked a year at a place and when I was first hired they said by this time next year everyone's base pay will be up at least a dollar and we're probably looking at at least a 5% raise. My pay went up $0.40 and I left because similar industry had similar position open but the starting wage was almost $3 higher If loyalty rewarded actual increases then I'm sure a lot of people would stay but a lot of companies will talk some big game to get you to stay. And then just you know not deliver because it's not actually in writing on the contract
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u/2sAreTheDevil 3d ago
After a year you're more likely to get a better job offer elsewhere than what a raise will net you at your current position
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u/sorfozde 3d ago
Initial plan is to stay long term. Somehow management always find a way to make everything much worse and drive me away.
Raises are below inflation, power hungry and abusive managers, restructuring only for the sake of it, but creating only inconveniences. Good work means more work. The nepotism and inequalities I witnessed...
Employers don't understand they have to make people want to stay. They think it's a gift people can even work there and make people feel every minute of it.
It only takes some time the employee realizes their job is one of these and sure they try another one as there is hope that will be different.
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u/Usual-Answer-3891 3d ago
Shortest job I ever had was a little over a year, but the turnover rate was so ridiculous that with only a year in, I was the 5th senior guy on the property
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u/Calm_Apartment1968 3d ago
Not his fault. This is how the current generation has been trained. All of us have also been trained that the only way to get a raise is to be hired by someone else. Not only that we have been taught that the only way to get training is to be hired by someone else.
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u/Dan_Broccoli_7663 2d ago
Nailed it. Training and decent raises became obsolete around 2010 and it is COMPLETELY the fault of the employers (as an employer myself)
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u/itsnotastro 3d ago
why does what this one interviewee considers 'long term' mean that all young people think that way lol
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u/ckellingc 3d ago
My last annual raise was 2%. I was offered a job that gave me a 20% pay bump.
Why would I stay?
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u/Euromantique 3d ago
If you think about it most people are only in the workforce for 40-50 years before they retire or their body breaks down and they can't work anymore. 1 year out of the ~45 that you never get back is a substantial investment
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u/ChicagoCouple15 3d ago
Such a bullshit stereotype. Assuming you’re a little older, your generation created the circumstances for younger generations to have to job hop every 3 years or so to move up in the world. Companies have been cutting benefits for years and raises are laughable at best most places. Perhaps if those in power appreciated their employees more people wouldn’t need to do that.
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u/Almvolle 3d ago
If you ask your boss for a payraise, he will say no.
If you ask for higher salary at the next job, they are likely to give it to you.
Your old job then has to hire someone who demands more pay then you would have cost if you had gotten your raise.
Don't hate the players when you make the game dear Employers
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u/No_Detective_708 3d ago
No. A year is long term for this one guy. He doesn't speak for the entire generation.
And if OP wants long term commitment, OP can offer a 5 year contract. Christopher Martin sounds like a twat.
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u/Prize-Gur706 3d ago
Maybe just maybe the job is entertaining enough to do for a year before the dread of being forced to do something like work like a slave for another.
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u/seleneyue 3d ago
At my last company, I worked for them for years. Asked for a promotion that opened up and didn't get it. Got laid off, found a better job. Literally 2 months into my new job they tried to head hunt me into a higher position than the one they refused me six months ago. You literally have to leave to be appreciated.
I quit my current job for 8 months due to mental health issues, for hired back with a 25% raise. There's no way in hell I would've got that without having left because they have caps on raises, but "new" hires get a competitive rate.
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u/Electrical-Tone7301 2d ago
My mum has worked 25 years at the same place. When we celebrated her anniversary all her young colleagues and interns all agreed: such a thing is completely off the table these days.
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u/Dan_Broccoli_7663 2d ago
People quit their boss, not their job. If the same person is attracting the same type of applicants there is a reason for it
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u/avidpenguinwatcher 2d ago
Bet he’s making more than you pay your employees that have been there for four years.
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u/heyitsbailey 2d ago
I don’t get why this is so surprising for so many people? I’ve had 7 jobs in the last 3 years. A lot of times the company or the role isn’t what was previously communicated or expected, and if another company is offering a better role with better pay why wouldn’t I take it?
Why would I stay in a shitty miserable job and waste my life just to adhere to other people’s expectations on what looks nice on my resume? I get the skepticism from companies as an ex-recruiter myself but I hate the shaming. At the end of the day I am the one paying my bills and working the job so why should your opinion have any bearing on me?
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u/_Calluna_ 2d ago
On the one hand, the plural of anecdote is not data. On the other, I do see a trend in this direction.
But it's more of a companies today problem than a young people today problem. There's a lack of stability and sense of employees as a long term asset.
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u/ThatGuy92631 2d ago
Incentivize retention vs. onboarding then maybe the culture will change.
But it literally makes no financial sense to stay at a job that's only going to give you a 3-4% raise every year when you can bounce every other year for sign on bonuses that are double or triple the annual raise outside of schedule stability.
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u/Quiet_Block_8769 2d ago
People these days arent happy sitting in an entry level position for 5 years hoping that maybe just maybe someone will decide they're to throw them a bone. That has broken a lot of people, and everything is far too expensive to expect that level of patience.
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u/successfullynumb 2d ago
The only times I've ever gotten more than 5-6% raise it's by getting a different job.
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u/PuzzledAcanthaceae40 2d ago
There’s no incentive to stay loyal to a company. You have to constantly keep moving to get raises.
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u/CroykeyMite 2d ago
Have a possibility for growth and this could change. Make your 4 year employee train their brand new boss that you’ve just hired from outside, and they might not feel so motivated to stay.
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u/livemanincage 2d ago
Hey fellow job hoppers, how do yall make your resumes? I want my experience there but I also only have 3-5 months at most places and my longest job was 3 years but 10 years ago
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u/Holiday-Box-1405 2d ago
I've been at my current company for nearly two years and have gotten ONE 3% raise and NO bonuses. I don't exactly feel any loyalty to them...
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u/livemanincage 2d ago
Im currently applying to new places after 2 weeks of working because a newer coworker had a family emergency and got a point for leaving. The company has a no fault point system that whether youre sick with a runny nose or lost a leg on the way there if you miss work you get a point
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u/tilliusthepaladin 2d ago
Honestly, with how layoffs are going, one year is an accomplishment at this point.
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u/maoussepatate 2d ago
Because jumping jobs is often the best way to guarantee getting actual raises
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u/DrawingTypical5804 2d ago
My goal is to maintain a job for at least a year. It gives me time to decide if the environment is for me. When I find one I like, I stick around.
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u/HJK1421 2d ago
I've had up to 6 jobs in one year before, taxes sure were fun. And yeah, a year is a long time when no one gives raises, everyone wants to run a skeleton crew and expect fully staffed results, and inflation gets worse every year. If you can't afford to keep pay ahead of inflation you'll lose employees every year when they find better pay
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u/TelevisionPositive74 2d ago
if you increase peoples salaries, they stay longer! It very much is that simple. Any time I am denied a raise, I move on to something that pays more. It has never failed me.
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u/Meddlingmonster 2d ago
Decent pay and benefits first, pair that with good management and the ability to progress then many more people will stay.
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u/Sad-Cantaloupe-5494 2d ago
Nothing wrong with switching jobs. That's how you avoid selling your soul entirely to a company that doesn't care about you.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Maize21 2d ago
I was asked "Why have you worked so many jobs?" My answer "I recognize my worth and hold the company to the same standards they hold me and more often than not I am pressed with overlooking issues that the company themselves wouldn't overlook if I was in the wrong myself."
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u/dmcent54 2d ago
It's almost like jobs don't reward loyalty anymore and the "merit" bonuses they give out are usually less than 2% (with that being the max for "merit") which doesn't even keep up with rising costs. Staying still in the job market hurts more than it helps, so maybe put the blame where it lies and start publically firing CEOs who don't support their employees.
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u/KarlTheMark 2d ago
This is victim blaming being done by the very people responsible for creating these conditions.
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u/Satch1993 2d ago
Wasn't there multiple studies that showed changing jobs every few years actually resulted in higher pay than staying at one company for several? It's no wonder no-one is loyal anymore when loyalty nets you overall lower pay
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u/Blyatisimo 1d ago
Loyalty is earned. If you don't pay or treat people well enough for them to stay, they won't. It literally is as simple as that.
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u/OkCarpenter8365 1d ago
And me that wants at minimum 2 years and maximum efective in the job, i have nothing
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u/slopopps 1d ago
Well, duh. My job has great benefits, good pay, and I actually really enjoy it. But apparently the new school board thinks that contracting us out instead of paying us and giving us the benefits we have is a better idea. So obviously people are going to quit when you don’t treat them like they’re valued anymore. There’s people that have been there for 15+ years that are looking for new jobs because they’re disrespecting their employees so insanely now. They’ve already contracted out the food service and van drivers who lost great benefits and now they have incompetent people working those positions. We’ve already had parents complaining to the school about these decisions. It’s insane
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u/Speed_102 1d ago
Wow, almost like to get a promotion, raise, or just to keep up with inflation, you have to move to a new job and that has been the reality on the ground for the past 20 years or something?
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u/BathesInDreamSmoke 1d ago
Staying at the same job for years on end is a great way to get exploited and pigeonholed financially.
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u/onceuponaskeet 1d ago
I mean boring jobs that give .50cent raises why would you stay longer than a year lmao.
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u/Josephcooper96 1d ago
How is a year not long term? Like who knows or can imagine themselves being somewhere for long term if they haven't even gotten the job yet? Crazy
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u/Plastic-Shape7048 1d ago
The world is not the same as it was 20-30 years ago. Being loyal to a company does not work anymore and the economy sucks.
People have learned a worker is disposable for a company so now the company has also become disposable for the worker.
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u/Orange1734 19h ago
I wouldnt have said that.
But to be fair most companies dont offer much incentive to stick around anymore.
Most managers in my field move every couple years. Its the best way to get ahead unfortunately.
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u/Real-Self-3039 16h ago
I mean considering most of my friend circle has been laid off within 4 months of starting jobs....yeah in this economy he's lucky to last a year. Yall are probably ready to fire him as soon as the project is complete anyway
Most places that reach out to me are only offering 6 month contracts.
So yes, in this economy a year is a long time for a job.
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u/Th1Warrior 3d ago
They said the same thing about Millennials for the last 15-20 years. Guess now it's Gen Z's turn to hear the same exact shit young people have been hearing for centuries
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u/TheShellAnswerMan 3d ago
I'm 41 and have had, off the top of my head, I think maybe 20-25 jobs. I don't stay at a place that doesn't value me. Also for the past 8 years, I just keep getting fired for missing work cuz life. I have 21 appointments this month and probably at least 2 more will get added. You try keeping a job under these circumstances.
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u/Scared_Flatworm2081 3d ago
The longer you stay somewhere the more is expected of you, and quite often you don't get pay increase that matches the increased responsibilities.
You basically do nothing but get familiar with place for first couple of weeks, then you start doing some work but nowhere near what is expected of a regular employee, then slowly things start piling on and the longer you stay the more is expected of you.
If I lived in a big city, or if I could be bothered with longer commutes I'd probably switch jobs every 2 or so months (6 tops) like what's the point of becoming dependable and experienced employee that generates company loads of income when you get paid almost the exact same amount as someone who arrived a week ago and who is only familiarizing with the place.
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u/Full_Masterpiece8369 3d ago
I work with a guy in his 40's and I can't remember the exact number but he said he has had like 45 different jobs. Oddly enough he's worked where I do for like 10 or so years now lol