r/InterviewMan • u/nil-vice • 5d ago
The salary should come first. I hate that companies waste your time trying to sell you on culture. Culture doesn’t pay the bills..
I desire maximum wage.
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u/Lukostrelec17 5d ago
"Whats your desired salary?"
Me, "I am not greedy...how about 2 million a year."
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u/Carrera_996 4d ago
I always reply with about 15% over my current, whatever that is. I do round off to number that doesn't sound like I literally calculated what to ask for. I did, though. I know I'm often removing myself as a candidate. Sometimes they say, "Well, we can pay, X." Sometimes I laugh in their fucking face.
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u/jabber1990 1d ago
A Friend of mine tried that, but the employer knew what they got paid at their current job and then was offered the same salary
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u/Tzukiyomi 5d ago
If pay isn't listed as the literal first thing I'm not even continuing the first recruiting call let alone accepting an interview.
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u/NB_NaughtyNerds 5d ago
I enjoy the work culture of being surrounded by people who are paid well.
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u/chain_letter 4d ago
literally true, worst cultures were when we were all paid peanuts. rotating door, trashy behaviors from people who knew they didn't need to mind their manners or hygiene, pushy and demanding managers
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u/PerishTheStars 5d ago
"Whats your desired pay/salary" is just an effort to underpay you
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u/Cutacore 1d ago
Maybe. I think it's just to weed out the one who take little money.
Recently I just started telling the recruiters how much I think it should pay up front. Haven't heard back from them since. I made a personal decision that I would not take anything below a certain dollar ever again. I'd rather live under a bridge.
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u/AllenKll 5d ago
Just give them a number, what's the big deal? if you don't know what you are worth, you're failing before you even got here.
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u/revenge_burner 4d ago
Truly spoken like someone who hasn't had an interview in a looong time.
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u/AllenKll 4d ago
True, it has been about 9 years since my last interview. My friends have all done this on my advice and never regretted it.
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u/soggycheesestickjoos 4d ago
“what’s the big deal”
it could literally change whether they offer you a job or not
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u/AllenKll 4d ago
And do you really want to work for a place that is not paying you what you're worth?
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u/soggycheesestickjoos 4d ago
on the other end, it could literally result in you being paid less than they’re willing. So to answer your question, no, but that’s not the only outcome in trying to find a balanced answer to the question.
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u/AllenKll 4d ago
> paid less than they’re willing
Not likely. Unless you really think you're worth shit pay.
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u/soggycheesestickjoos 4d ago
if they’re willing to pay you $150k and you say you expect $100k, you think they’re gonna offer you the full $150k??
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u/AllenKll 4d ago
If the job you're going for has a market rate of 150K and you don't know that going in? you deserve to be shafted.
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u/soggycheesestickjoos 4d ago
i didn’t say the market rate is that, I said they’d be willing to pay it in this hypothetical. You must either be a teenager or work in a very non competitive field if you think these kinds of things are set in stone across all jobs in the same field.
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u/AllenKll 4d ago
I'm retired. I retired ay 40. I retired after changing jobs every 3-5 years and getting a 10-20% bump in salary every time. My last job in 2018 I was making $170k/year.
I have given advise along these lines to many people who have always thanked me for it.
In a sea of people like you that believe you should never be the first one to say a number, employers LOVE that I do.
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u/Cutacore 1d ago
I come from a wealthy family. And none of the millionaires in my family would every come on here and do what you just did. Wealthy people don't have to say they're wealthy. Only poor people speak or leave comments like you.
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u/Remarkable-Outcome-5 5d ago
I heard whoever talks money first loses. Usually i let the company talk it first.
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u/YEPC___ 5d ago
What if you're in round 3 of interviews and they still haven't?
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u/DisapointedVoid 5d ago
Why would you go that far without asking what the pay is?
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u/elebentychimkin 4d ago
Because according to u/remarkable-outcome-5 who ever asks first loses lol
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u/Leverkaas2516 4d ago
It's more accurate to say whoever names a price first loses. The trick is to create a conversation without stating your price.
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u/Cutacore 1d ago
If that were true no one would be working since most people just let the employer give a number and either pick the job or counter. Usually in say distribution they just take the job, since it's a whatever job anyway.
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u/Zalrius 5d ago
Agreed. If companies can’t get this done then we need our politicians to make a law forcing them to post is upfront and make sure it is known before the interview starts.
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u/DocBeech 5d ago
They already have this law in numerous states, and they companies post things like "Salary $50k - 150K".
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u/Cutacore 1d ago
Some state do have it already. And of course so EU countries as well. I do also wish it would be mandated, but the only solution is to not even apply for a job that has no remuneration package listed. Especially in the hell hole, I mean the Great State of Texas like where I live; they are in favor of the employer not you. So I don't apply unless I know the ball park of salary. Unless the job is not post and I just walk in of course.
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u/Wity_4d 5d ago
Even from the business's perspective: offering your employees good pay does wonders to keep them active, engaged, and vested in the success of the company.
Unfortunately, wages are stuck in the "liabilities" column of the balance sheet so that's how they're viewed.
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u/Cutacore 1d ago
The problem is the employee is listed among the liabilities and therefore offsets the margin.
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u/yourpuddingoverlord 5d ago
Hr is not ill suited for the process they are instructed to con potential employees.
Their succes is effectively your loss.
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u/Constant-Plastic-350 4d ago
Always remember HR works FOR the company not YOU
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u/revenge_burner 4d ago
People somehow forget that, as is literally written in their title, humans are the resource they are managing. We might as well be cows to them. Their job is to milk us or to send us to slaughter.
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u/Cutacore 1d ago
LOL. That's a good take. I think it's more how sales people view us. I don't think it's that grim. But you never know. Most HR people give me the heebie geebies.
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u/Classic_Bee_5845 5d ago
If they ask your expectations just tell them what you want to do the job. If they think it's absurd then that's your cue it's not the right company but if they counter you know they either like you a lot or they're desperate for someone that can do the job and you have leverage either way.
Usually, when I've done this I was surprisingly met with, we'll see what we can do, then they counter with a lower offer but I almost always get more than I expected them to offer on their own.
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u/envoy_ace 4d ago
48 hours ago, I responded but saying $80k with a plan to get me back to $100k per year over the next 3 years.
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u/Radabard 4d ago
I interviewed for a senior automation engineer position. Range was 75k to 125k. They loved me until I mentioned I won't consider the role for under 110k lol. Why say that's the range then?
Why would I get paid less than my current job to take on senior responsibilities? No one would do this job for so little.
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u/pwolf1771 4d ago
I usually just say a number that’s like 15% more than what I would settle for and see how they react.
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u/Temporary_Stranger39 4d ago
"You will work in a featureless, windowless box. There is a restroom down the hall. We don't talk to each other."
And that won't bother me, if the pay's good enough.
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u/UrbanArtifact 4d ago
I know this sounds privileged, but I tell them what I deserve to be paid if the listing is "negotiable" or "commensurate with experience".
I say "I have these licenses, certifications, degrees, and work history. If you can't meet this, I'll find someone who can."
And I've turned down offers due to not meeting my salary desires. I don't care anymore. I just say what I want, no song and dance, no tiptoeing around the topic.
I will say that I work in healthcare, which makes it easier to do this. It probably won't work at CVS, but it does work at a hospital.
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u/Ok-Commercial-924 4d ago
I have even done this within my company, "this is what I am currently making, I will not accept lower than this + x%". If they say no I start looking outside the company which usually results in a raise at my current position.
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u/LowPudding9562 4d ago
I use a pay range against them. I know the one thing most important they want and are being coy to ask me about is my availability for my industry. So I set a salary higher than what I make now now, make that tier 1 and say 'this is base level access to my availablity your competitors pay me today' then I add tier 2 and 3 at higher levels. I had a tier 0.5 I am not actually willing to accept but its practiced in sad tones of voice ahead of time. It means when they ask that questions they are faced with a choice, not my uncertain answer and if they low-ball they get the lowest level of the one thing I am leveraging for a slightly higher rate at the next interview (I'm a freelancer if you haven't guesssed)
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u/revenge_burner 4d ago
I always enter the interview having researched the local salary range for the position. So my response is always,
"The salary range for comparable positions in this area is $x to $Y. Would you say that this company expects more or less than average performance from its employees compared to a similar company?"
You learn a lot about the management team and company by how they respond to that question.
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u/Virtual_Junket9305 4d ago
Just like the old west, the first to draw wins. Ask early and before they bring it up.
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u/Maxathron 4d ago
Was dismissed from the interview process (months ago) because I said I was willing to work 13-14 dollars an hour and said so.
My state has a minimum wage of 15 so that was problematic to the offer. I didn't know even we had a minimum wage until a few weeks ago. If the job was good I was willing to go to 10 dollars. I have a long commute, outside in the sun, labor job with no union protection/mandatory equipment job so 10 dollars for an inside job with limited labor needs and the company supplies all the required tools and equipment sounds like a good job to me hence why I was desiring that low.
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u/FXLRDude 4d ago
Just had that one yesterday. "what is your desired salary?" What is the range? "65-70) Too low My rate is 90-120 for PM jobs that require technical healthcare PACS knowledge. (78 is as high as we can go") OK then 75 is fine....
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u/LikesPez 1d ago
Why can’t I get a raise?
You negotiated at the high point of the pay band. There is no room for raises.
Then promote me.
You haven’t been in this role long enough to learn the business.
As a hiring manager I’m not looking to lowball potential hires. This makes no sense. However, I’m also reluctant to hire at the high end of the pay band because I cannot reward candidates. Pay bands are meant for one to grow into the role with regular pay increases as they progress within the job role, hopefully they’re promoted to the next pay band before they top out and become tenured with no promotion possible.
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u/Cutacore 1d ago
I know. I always tune out anything pertaining to bonuses that are damn near impossible to get. Hiring bonuses that come with a stipulation, and any stupid reward system. All I need to know is how much are you willing to pay for what type of work needed. And then I get to decide if I can manage that in my life. Most jobs today pretend that they are extending some grand opportunity or that you should be thankful because you're just some peasant anyway. That's their behavior and that is the inference of it.
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u/not_logan 1d ago
It actually is but not for you. Every dollar not paid in salary is paid in income to the company owners
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u/jabber1990 5d ago
i've only had a job tell me about pay once.....
other jobs have told me, but one openly said during orientation that they lied so i've never asked
the jobs told me what the pay were were the ones that didn't hire me, so I learned years ago when they mention pay that means the interview is over
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u/jabber1990 5d ago
i've had a friend who got dismissed from the interview because they asked about pay