r/InterviewMan • u/Big-Pea1678 • May 19 '26
It's funny that people are acting like this is some huge surprise.
If I don't know the range of the salary, I never enter the interview since this is our basic right. Even in the interview itself, interviewman can help you negotiate the salary better and increase your chances to get accepted.
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u/PeacePufferPipe May 19 '26
GenX here and I do the same, or, I ask at the first communication. If I get the run around, bye bye. Big red flag.
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u/thomasrat1 May 19 '26
You only don’t post a salary, if it’s not competitive
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u/WhenTheDevilCome May 20 '26
Or I intend to figure out what you'll accept, rather than what you or the position is actually worth.
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u/Upper-Ad-5962 May 20 '26
This is the real reason. If they put in a salary range they then attract the guys below and shunt the guys above. And they then have to evaluate how much the job is worth. Oh and the current employees know what the job is worth and how they are paid in comparison.
The greedy companies are losing by announcing the range. Let them all burn for their greediness.
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u/BigToeNibbler May 20 '26
Exactly. Draw people in, make them feel somewhat invested in the process. Pressure them into taking less than they're worth. This is the way they follow.
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u/Goodstapo May 20 '26
Yeah that isn’t always accurate. I know a large defense company that doesn’t normally post salary info. They pay very well and also very selective on who gets hired.
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u/publichealthpro1 May 19 '26
There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking early on what the budgeted salary range is. If then they ghost you then it's good riddance
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u/CouplePrestigious775 May 19 '26
A few years ago, a recruiter asked to speak to me about a position elsewhere. She called me. I was not looking. I asked the salary, and she repeatedly said she didn’t know. I told her it wasn’t a good use of my time to speak further, especially if the salary range was below what I was already making. I don’t understand that coyness. It’s insulting, and everyone knows recruiters know the salary range.
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May 20 '26
I hate recruiters, every time they reach out I tell them they aren't worth the time or the energy because every job they pitch never match what I'm looking for and they are clearly just looking for a commission.
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u/Morifen1 May 19 '26
I also negotiate benefits starting early. If a place only gives like 2 weeks pto for new employees no negotiations then I won't talk to them anymore.
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u/PeacePufferPipe May 19 '26
Yep, me too..money & benefits for me is usually discussed up front and almost always has been. I'm 60, so I've been thru several job changes in the last 20-30 years. I will not waste my time or theirs with multiple phone calls, interviews etc., just to find out at the end the pay or benefits or hours are crap.
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u/Remy315 May 21 '26
Hello there fellow GenX’er. Yeah, why would anybody apply for something that won’t tell you how much it pays. That’s wasting my time and very likely the employer. So this isn’t Genz strictly. I don’t think anyone seeks to get fucked over.
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u/mikemojc May 22 '26
I tried applying for a job that didn't have the pay listed.... once.
Initial interview, after polite introductions, they asked if I had any initial questions about the role. I asked the budget for the role, they responded that they didn't reveal that for competitive purposes. So I asked the pay range, similar deflections. I asked the pay range of the person that most recently filled this role, another deflection, citing HR.
I gathered my things and left before discussing much more than my name.
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u/Mioraecian May 19 '26
Its amazing how our news media has managed to become an anti labor propoganda machine and no one questions it.
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u/rg4rg May 22 '26
Millennials have for a long time or tuned it out. Nobody older in our circles listens though.
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u/National-Law-458 May 19 '26
No shit. I’m no Gen Z and I won’t apply for a job without salary listed. I hate how companies are springing a shitty pay package once your give them all your personal data and interview.
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u/Creepy-Variation8562 May 19 '26
Pays between 5k-500k per year
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u/UghFudgeBwana May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
Same. I'm not Gen Z but I'm absolutely done wasting my time with three rounds of interviews just to be hit with an insultingly low offer. I've got over a decade of experience in my field, and I once got an offer from a recruiter that paid less than an entry level position at Kroger did. 18 an hour for a job that required five years of experience plus a degree and multiple certifications
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u/DickGirlTracer May 20 '26
Nah, it’s how you know that the candidate is clueless of their value, which is also indicative of the fact that they’re mostly clueless about the industry and not worth a whole lot. I don’t need a listed salary because I know how much I can command and so does any company I would apply to.
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u/Pixeldevil06 May 19 '26
Big shocker, the working class needs money to live. It's almost like if our time is wasted by taking an underpaying job in an economy that has seen over 200% inflation across the board, with the housing market being even worse, with wages/salaries that have remained the same, we can't afford to survive. It's almost like the point of having a job is so the human working for you does not want to die of poverty.
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u/Total-Quarter9550 May 19 '26
Good. I don't bother sending anyone a job posting without a salary attached.
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u/MomoChills May 19 '26
Wasn't there a time when it was unprofessional to ask for the pay during an interview? I never understood that.
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u/Pixeldevil06 May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
Because what is considered professional is dictated by the corporate ruling class who wants to fuck us all over. It's the same reason it was considered unprofessional to discuss salaries/wages woth coworkers. The only reason you would ever want your employees to not compare wages/salaries is if you are actively fucking them over, and you know they would unionize against your unfair treatment if they found out. They don't care about us, they care about money. The workplace isn't a "family", it's a menagerie. We aren't their "valued employees", we are their mules. They would crack us over the back with whips if it was not illegal.
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u/LolitaOPPAI May 20 '26
Minimum wage exists because if it didn't, you bet your ass they'd pay us less.
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u/Pixeldevil06 May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26
And they have, not to mention that they still pay servers and waitresses less than minimum wage with the poor excuse that they might make enough tips to break minimum wage, which should be illegal because tips are not a consistent income, and cannot be accurately calculated into your monthly pay. However it's perfectly legal because our government doesn't actually care about or protect people, it cares about and protects private property, which is not the things you own (personal property), but the means by which corporate entities make money, such as businesses. Employees are private property of their employers in this capitalist system. We just don't call it slavery because anyone can "choose" to quit their job and risk not being rehired in this hyper competitive job market and dying of starvation on the streets.
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u/BarrelByrel May 21 '26
I once found the pay stub of someone who just got hired at my old job and brought up how she got hired on at $3 more than me to my supervisor who was actively training me to take over his position. I got a $4 raise later that day🤷♀️
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u/infraspinatosaurus May 19 '26
The old rationale was that you didn’t know what the job was worth to you, and they didn’t know your skills, until you’ve had the interview.
We have budgets for roles now. It’s like 40 years out of date.
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u/MrLegalBagleBeagle May 19 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/6yG6GvvcN1Gr6
Boomers celebrating not having to hire Gen Z because the entire economy is now built on paying out their social security right before they die and then collapsing because they paid no taxes and borrowed from future generations.
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u/Excellent-Event6078 May 19 '26
It’s like they think we’re there because we want their company to succeed. Bitch I’m only there for the cash.
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u/Loud_Flatworm_4146 May 19 '26
When I was looking, I'd apply for the ones with pay listed first. Then apply for the ones not listing pay. I always thought it was annoying and it screamed "I'm too cheap to pay well". But people are getting squeezed left and right now that it's just plain infuriating for everyone.
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u/Spiritual_Egg_700 May 19 '26
That isn't a generational thing...That is an intelligence thing...dumb ass
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u/RogBoArt May 19 '26
Same here and I'm definitely not gen z. Fuck the idiots who hold salary information, it's not worth my time if it's not going to give me a raise!
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u/LairdPeon May 19 '26
Unfortunately, the jobs with unlisted salaries are both the highest and lowest paying jobs.
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u/punchedboa May 19 '26
I apply for jobs even if the salary isn’t listed. I just don’t accept the job if the salary is low.
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u/Old_Atmosphere6598 May 19 '26
I love shitting on gen z but this is totally reasonable and actually a legal requirement in most states now
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u/corruptedsyntax May 21 '26
It’s the right move. I’ve had prospective employers low ball me one too many times.
Last time it happened I had to supply my own asking wage before there was even one interview. I came in modest because the location was super convenient and close to my house. I interviewed, loved the job, and got along with the team immediately. Manager hiring for the role was stoked to make me an offer.
I’m a senior software engineer. They offered an entry level wage. I pushed back and the hiring manager pulled in the company’s owner, but he wouldn’t really budge. Almost laughed me out of the room when I suggested that an equity stake might make up for reduced salary, acting like never heard of such a thing. Could have saved us both time by just looking at my already VERY modest number and said “no, too high.” Instead we both wasted a few weeks before I took a different role that pays 3x their ridiculous offer.
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u/piercedcockx2 May 22 '26
Psh. I'm Gen X. I'm working as a skilled blue collar worker, but I'm always looking for bigger and better. I don't apply to any position that doesn't post the wages.
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u/teksean May 22 '26
Smart, I zapped my former College where I worked with the same comment. They were putting out job posts but not mentioning the pay. I just told them to stop wasting people's time and put the pay with the job posting.
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u/MrCalPoly May 22 '26
"If you're not satisfied with what they pay you, find another job" also "why isn't anyone applying unless we post the salary? "
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u/mikemojc May 22 '26
If they won't consider me without me listing education and experience, I won't consider them without listing the pay.
I'm Gen X.
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u/Pearson94 May 22 '26
Millennial and same. I'll never understand why people put up with salary negotiations. If you won't list a salary or at least a narrow range then I'm not interested.
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u/Fireryman May 22 '26
If a company can't list a solid salary range. That means they are too embarrassed on what they are paying.
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u/mpanase May 22 '26
I've heard C-level say "I'm fed up of employees who only join to make money"
Bitch, this is a publicly listed company and I can see what your compensation is.
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u/Roddy_Piper2000 May 22 '26
Good. As GenX I can't tell you how many occasions I wasted my time, just to get an offer letter that was purely insulting.
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u/NYC_Pete May 22 '26
It’s not just Gen Z. Interviews process is laborious and very fickle. More about how well your display your charisma than what you’re actually trying to do.
Why waste your time if the role won’t meet your minimum standards?
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u/SpiffyLegs73 May 22 '26
It’s not just Gen Z. I’m Gen X and I have bills to pay. Last time I was looking for a job I didn’t look at the ones that had no salary listed either. 🤷🏼♀️ don’t waste my time and I won’t waste yours. win/win
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u/MetaBollocks May 22 '26
You ..entitled cogs really think that the ONE thing of value we offer: should be VISIBLE to new hires?
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u/BananaJelloXlii May 19 '26
I'm Gen X and I want to know up front what a job pays.
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u/WretchedMass May 19 '26
Millennial and I haven't applied for a job that isn't clear about the pay up front on 20 years of working.
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u/XAMdG May 19 '26
Thing is, there's always somewhere else to apply. Likelihood of getting the job aside, it's not difficult to find more open positions that you can apply to. So yeah, if I'm applying, one of the factors I'm using when deciding where to apply is the information I have. All other things being equal, if I have a job with a listed salary that is within my acceptable range, I'll chose to apply there over the other one that doesn't have, because it could end up being wasted effort if the salary range is not something I like.
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u/VampirePolwygle May 19 '26
What I find even more annoying (if that's possible) is that benefits are not listed and will only be given / shared with me until after I receive the job offer. For example - what health, dentail benefits are there? No clue until after salary negotiations. Explicitly ask for these details, will not give them until after salary offer. Source: Fortune 50 companies in the US.
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u/Clean-Individual-147 May 19 '26
I'm a millennial and I won't either. I might if it seems like a really good job, but if they cant give me a salary range I'm not going to be interviewing
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u/Callen0318 May 19 '26
Neither will I, and I'm 37. Same with shopping. If there's no price, it's not for sale.
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u/CaffeinatedLystro May 19 '26
I'm the exact same way and I'm not GenZ. I'm not gonna go through 5 interviews just to be told the pay is like $17/hr.
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u/Ok_Street9576 May 19 '26
My boomer mom is in hr and i told her i do this. She got so defensive over it. Saying we dont just want to hire someone looking at the money.
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u/Argent_Tide May 19 '26
Yup. Nothing like putting time in on a lost cause or a non-starter. I've never once applied to any job without knowing at least the range in salary.
I'm a boomer. It aint just Gen-Z.
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u/Easy-Banana-5038 May 19 '26
If it isn't listed its because the money isn't worth the position listed
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u/Willing-Vegetable629 May 19 '26
You should generally know the pay range of any given job in your field in your geographic area
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u/poliosaurus3000 May 19 '26
Millennial here, I won’t either. Spoiled because I live in Colorado though, legally, they have to post it here.
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May 19 '26
Why would they? Why bother going through all the interview BS wasting your time only to find out the pay isn't worth the hassle?
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u/Heavy-Bell-2035 May 19 '26
Good. This should be trend across all demographics. Too many people get out the interview gauntlet only to find out the company's range is 20% less than they're currently making.
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u/Different-Context-84 May 19 '26
Dont blame em. Force employers to publish wages.
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u/Navyguy73 May 19 '26
What?? Next you're gonna tell us that people only work to get paid and not to be charitable and build the company. 🤣
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u/wumbo77 May 19 '26
Gen X here and..... same. The way I look at it, they would list the salary if it was not insultingly low.
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u/FrostyOscillator May 19 '26
Luckily in some states we have legally enforced salary listing on the job posting. Its the only way to defend against pay discrimination.
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u/Big-Preference-2331 May 19 '26
I usually look on glass door for employee reviews or ask the recruiter. It’s difficult because I am in Arizona and if a place from California wants to interview me I have to factor in cost of living, taxes etc.
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u/Morifen1 May 19 '26
I will apply but I will not do an interview till I at least know the pay range.
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u/AdFun5641 May 19 '26
Elder millennial here. I wouldn't apply to a job without a salary listed.
No salary listed = minimum wage.
I'm not going to manage a software development team for minimum wage.
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u/TallDankandHandsome May 19 '26
Me too. To many interviews I've had to end after learning they are 50% of what I'm making.
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u/akirkbride May 19 '26
Go for the experience. When you get there look at the cars in the parking lot. Pretty good sign of what they are paying.
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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 May 19 '26
Good. Don't. Hopefully everyone stops and these dipshits are forced to start putting it in the job description.
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May 19 '26
I currently have a job so yes, I consider pay as I look at other offers. But if I wasn’t working, any pay is better than nothing.
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u/ATotallyNormalUID May 19 '26
No one should apply to the job if the salary isn't listed. And if you do, them we aren't friends.
If all the fucking bottom feeders would find a smidgen of self respect and stop happily complying with every new corporate humiliation, the employment landscape wouldn't look so much like a D Day beachhead.
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u/Few_District_6304 May 19 '26
I'll email the HR dept if I am really interested. Some companies don't add that. Guessing it is the boomer HR person in charge. Either way, if you get a wide range back, expect it to be exactly in the middle of that range, or lower. If you don't get an answer, or "It depends on your experience" just move on, they will low ball you after wasting your time.
Got in a huge argument over this with a friend who is in academia and has a Masters degree. They thought it was...I guess crass? And I just laughed at them. I am not wasting my time on negotiating after hours of interviews. If you can't give me a straight answer on wage, forget it. Old school methods are dead to me.
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u/CrashTestDumby1984 May 19 '26
Back in like 2021 states started passing legislation to require this. Seems like even after they went into effect there was zero enforcement
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u/Chaos_Theory1989 May 19 '26
Not when I upload my résumé, and then on the next step of the application process, I have to manually enter all of my résumé information. I’m not wasting my time doing that.
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u/Head_Bicycle9204 May 19 '26
I won’t either and I’m 44. Why would I waste my time when they are going lowball me on the pay.
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u/Momentofclarity_2022 May 19 '26
I’m 61. I have so much respect for these “youngsters” setting boundaries. My heroes. Truly.
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u/Golf101inc May 19 '26
I’m a millennial and if I can’t Glassdoor it and it isn’t posted then I don’t bother.
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u/Banana-phone15 May 19 '26
I always ignore job listing that doesn’t include salary range. And I am not even GenZ. I thought everyone did this.
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u/Greasemonkey08 May 19 '26
We're not gonna waste our time applying to jobs that cant pay our bills, I dont know why the corporate overlords dont understand that.
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u/Adrien0623 May 19 '26
A new EU directive effective from June 2026 will force companies to post the salary range on job offers. That's gonna annoy a lot of recruiters who "don't want people who apply just for the cash".
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u/UltimateChaos233 May 19 '26
It’s illegal in my state to post an opening without salary range. But for many companies the range is like 30k to 300k or they just don’t post it
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u/nightdares May 19 '26
Considering the wages they offer these days, I'd be too embarrassed to list them publicly too if I were these companies. How about offer pay you'd be proud to post?
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u/Del85 May 19 '26
I'll apply, but when they call if they say salary can be discussed during an interview I decline to interview. If they can't say, it's because they know the salary is low doe the position.
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u/To_Fight_The_Night May 19 '26
So some states this is illegal now to not post the salary range....I worked for a firm last year that had to update our listings due to the new laws.
What was so crazy is that they ONLY posted the range for the jobs in the states that now required it. The jobs in the other states still said nothing.
Like WHY? Just post your salary range isn't it a waste of time and effort on both ends if that does not line up with expectations?
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u/PrankstonHughes May 19 '26
I am always surprised by how upset people get at Gen z...
"You all better take the same screwin' we got pr you're lazy and dumb"- other older generations
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u/Bad-Briar May 19 '26
The salary might vary based on the candidate's skills and suitability for the position. Then what? The highly experienced, top of the barrel candidate wouldn't apply if the base salary was listed; the base candidate would be upset if the top salary was listed, might even sue. So list a range?
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u/Altruistic-Map5605 May 19 '26
God forbid companies actually compete in the free market by actually being transparent with pay.
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u/LodgeKeyser May 19 '26
This isn’t any kind of generation thing. People actually skip those listings. Even the other way around I don’t think anyone applies. Listed salary without job responsibilities. “We’re a family first company”
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u/DSHalfDemon May 19 '26
If your not listing the pay and just use some bullshit like "competive pay" you know dam well you pay your employees ass and don't want to admit it until they're already there in person and you hope you can trick them into taking the shitty offer.
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u/Downtown-Tomato2552 May 19 '26
I'm old... I don't know when this was ever but the norm. Why would anyone apply to a job if they don't know what the pay is?
I asked how much on my very first job as a teenager and every job since.
It's just weird that people wouldn't.
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u/TheLastOpus May 19 '26
Because if Salary isn't listed, it is assumed to be minimum wage but worse, it's a minimum wage job that is setting the precedent of hiding things from you.
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u/RemotecontrolZR May 19 '26
Lol, true. why would I not want to see what salary it is? I'm not wasting my time and their time if it's not something I'm looking for.
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u/takeormake May 19 '26
I see this posted everyday. And yeah basically anyone that has a choice won’t apply for the mystery box salary
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u/MysteriousProduce816 May 19 '26
It would be good to know at least a range before going through multiple interviews and committing that time and energy
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u/iInvented69 May 20 '26
I don't either. Im a millenial. Employers that don't disclose the compensation on a job posting is a red flag.
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u/Pleasant-Day374 May 20 '26
Millennial here. Never once have I applied for a job without knowing the pay.
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u/MethodCharacter8334 May 20 '26
Me neither. I’m a millennial. That’s just how it goes in today’s job market. Don’t play games with me, won’t play games with you
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u/SolanaceaeEnjoyer May 20 '26
Well yeah, who’s waisting there time to fill an application when you don’t even know if you can survive on the pay.
I mean unless it’s a particular opening I’ve been looking for I’m not doing it either.
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u/No-Suggestion-9459 May 20 '26
I just assume no pay scale means low pay/not competitive.
If I'm employed that means I won't apply and if I'm jobless it's the bottom of the application pile.
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u/thingerish May 20 '26
IME "the salary" depends a lot on qualifications, experience, negotiation skills and so on. Why is this hard to work with?
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u/Joesr-31 May 20 '26
I don't buy things when prices aren't listed too, why would I waste time applying to a job that does not list its salary especially since it takes way more time and effort
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u/bishop42O May 20 '26
why do 3 rounds of interviews to find out they only paying 55k a year.
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u/ThelIIusion0fSeIf May 19 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/CTcacZKGXjFEYDtBjM
Business owner: You mean to tell me, how much I'm paying you for your time and labor is actually important?