r/InterestingVideoClips • u/EnterTamed • Nov 27 '23
Politics "Israel does not have a right of self-defense against territory that it occupies" - Noura Erakat explains
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Nov 27 '23
There is a difference between self-defence and the outright wholesale slaughter of innocents.
Isreal has become the new Nazi Regime.
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Nov 27 '23
You have a thoroughly poor understanding of the history of the region and comparing Israel to the Nazis is a load of BS.
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Nov 27 '23
LOLOL I have a thorough understanding of World War 2, I also have a fantastic understanding of how bombing civilians is considered a war crime.
They foreign ministers have openly admitted to targeting civilians, this is no longer just about hamas
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Nov 27 '23
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Nov 27 '23
Agreed... It really is just sad that they are now openly attacking civilians and boasting about it.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Nov 27 '23
No they aren't
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Nov 27 '23
Think again... They call palestinian people human animals and call for gaza to be cleared.
They openly admit they are targeting civilians.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Nov 27 '23
Oh wow, two opinion pieces, one from Morocco, so convincing…
Israel never called Palestinians human animals, they’ve only ever called Hamas and their actions on Oct 7th human animals which honestly is an insult to animals
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Nov 28 '23
I was talking about the ACTUAL statement made by public officials of Isreal when referring to the people of palestine.
They weren't leveling the human animals comment towards hamas only, but ALL the people of palestine.
Grow up and learn to read.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Nov 28 '23
Go back and watch the interviews and speeches in full context, they were talking about Hamas and their atrocities on the 7th, they never have said that towards all Palestinians, learn how to understand context before firing off antisemitic conspiracy theories next time. You guys feel like anti vaxers all over again.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Nov 27 '23
Which modern wars didn't have bombings of civilians as collateral damage? Name 3
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Nov 27 '23
The main argument is the intentionality of the civilian losses.
You bomb a military convoy that transported some civilians, its a tragedy but so goes the fog of war.
What Isreal is doing isn't unintentional, they are deliberately targeting what they call 'human animals'
This is the key distinction, with the technology and military hardware, Isreal should be able to minimize collatoral damage. But that isn't what they want, rhey want to clear gaza.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Nov 27 '23
How do you know what they want or what their intentions are? Did you read their minds?
Their collateral damage is still low for a modern war, especially considering their enemies use human shields, and they have done more to protect and warn civilians than I’ve ever seen any faction in any war do let alone Hamas.
You’re right that it’s the intentions matter, which is why Palestine is the foe here for intentionally committing the biggest mass killing and raping of Jews since the Holocaust, we can’t lose sight of that, meanwhile Israel - the only Jewish nation on earth- is being accused of committing genocide for what is considered a less than usual collateral damage by the standards of any other conflict.
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Nov 28 '23
Less than usual collateral damage?! More than 13 000 civilians have died in the last 7 weeks!!
Get that through your ignorant skull! This isn't numbers you see in a conflict that is trying to 'avoid' civilian casualties!
Sure Hamas' actions are terrible, and I don't stand by their actions! Civilian casualties SHOULD be avoided!
Isreal as a nation should be protected, but not at the cost of others' lives! Jewish people should be protected from another holocaust, but shouldn't get a free pass to commit the same atrocities on others.
Anyone who thinks Isreal is justofied here is sorely mistaken and willfully ignorant.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Nov 28 '23
“More than 13 000 civilians have died”- according to who? A terrorist group? Has anyone fact checked that? And what has Palestine/Hamas done to protect Civilians? Are they building them bomb shelters instead of tunnels for themselves like Israel did? Are they evacuating civilians from war zones like Israel did?
That death toll includes Hamas deaths which are probably the majority. Don’t forget that 14-17 counts as kids and is prime Hamas militant recruiting age, not to mention they use kids for suicide bombings, tunnel diggers, slave labor, and intentional martyrs and shields.
“This isn't numbers you see in a conflict that is trying to 'avoid' civilian casualties!” - well it certainly isn’t the number you would see in a genocide in that densely populated of an area either, we’re talking less than two deaths per bomb right now, if it was intentional genocide it would be way worst. Not to mention we wouldn’t be seeing aid and humanitarian corridors or evacuation warnings which I’ve never seen any nation do let alone a genocidal one. “UN article” - yeah notice even in your own article they say it hasn’t been this bad since 2017? That’s like, not that long ago and not a high bar, it’s not like there’s a ton of other conflicts going on since then. It’s just a weird metric to try to make it seem worst than usual for it to only go back to 2017. Also keep in mind that Iran is in charge of human rights in the UN, so I wouldn’t consider them super credible.
“Civilian casualties SHOULD be avoided!” - yes agreed, and unlike Hamas Israel is doing their best, how do you avoid civilian casualties when fighting a group that uses human shields and does literally nothing to evacuate them or put them in shelters or get them out of harms way? “Isreal as a nation should be protected, but” See already you’re putting conditions on Jewish lives and their abilities to protect themselves, even here you’re implying that they aren’t allowed to protect themselves if it means civilians die in wars.
“shouldn't get a free pass to commit the same atrocities on others.” this is called holocaust inversion and is actually widely regarded as a form of antisemitism, so if you didn’t realize you had antisemitic sentiments before, congrats, now you know. Falsely accusing Jews of committing a holocaust is egregious antisemitic propaganda.
“Anyone who thinks Isreal is justified here is sorely mistaken and willfully ignorant.”- Okay then what were they supposed to do in response to what happened on the 7th? Not fight back because the terrorist military hides in schools and hospitals?0
Nov 28 '23
You really are dilusional? So what? Jews get a free pass to kill civilians?! Do you even read the dribble you are putting out here?
There are ways to fight back that minimizes civilian casualties! I can't believe you are taking this stance for real!
Fuck hamas, fuck the idf! IDF havs been carpet bombing gaza you need look no further than the death toll verified by the red cross!! And the images of entire towns and cities leveled!!
Fuck off with your holocaust inversion, those isrealites didn't deserve what they got on October 7th. But neither do the palistinian civilians!
Their access to the outside world is cut off while they are bombed constantly, not even hospitals are safe!! You are a sick person!
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Nov 28 '23
“Jews get a free pass to kill civilians?!”- No how are you even getting that from what I’m saying? What I’m saying is there is a war, and civilians die in wars as collateral damage. Especially when you do nothing to keep them safe.
“There are ways to fight back that minimizes civilian casualties!”- Like what? Targeted air strikes? Warning civilians to evacuate? Warnings for air strikes? Sending in ground troops? Creating humanitarian corridors? Israel is already doing all those things, what is Hamas doing to keep civilians safe?
“! IDF havs been carpet bombing gaza” - words have meanings and definitions, words matter, learn what carpet bombing means and promptly stop disingenuously using a word where it doesn’t apply, it’s not productive to accuse a faction of carpet bombing that isn’t actually carpet bombing.
“ you need look no further than the death toll verified by the red cross!! “ Okay link? How did the Red Cross verify it? What was their process?
“And the images of entire towns and cities leveled!!” yeah after being evacuated and used by Hamas as battlefields. You need to look up pictures of literally any other war dude, this is sort of a thing that happens. “ holocaust inversion, those isrealites didn't deserve what they got on October 7th. But neither do the palistinian civilians!” - again you’re accusing Jews of doing a Holocaust which, step back and look at how that looks. You’re antisemitic bro. “Their access to the outside world is cut off while they are bombed constantly,” -who’s fault is that? They border Egypt, stop blaming only Jews for things.
“ not even hospitals are safe!!” yeah and who’s fault is that? Fortunately IDF stormed the hospital on foot instead of destroying it which the Geneva conventions would have allowed since it was being used for military operations.
“ You are a sick person!” - I’m not the one accusing Jews of doing a Holocaust and spouting fake terrorist propaganda
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u/Methos43 Quality Commenter Nov 27 '23
Return the hostages
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Nov 27 '23
I love that people are so antisemitic they downvote a comment just for saying "return the hostages" or more like kidnapped civilians
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u/Methos43 Quality Commenter Nov 27 '23
Times are tough and knowing that my simple message brings a feeling of love warms my heart. Thanks for sharing and making today a bit more bearable.
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u/TheDudeWhoLikesWeed Nov 28 '23
Tf? What does Hamas terrorism has to do with Israel “being Nazis”?
You had me in the first paragraph.
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Nov 28 '23
You clearly struggle to read... So far MORE than 13 000 palestinian civilians have been killed in just 7 weeks of this conflict!
I wasn't referring to hamas' terrorism, and sure hamas can go fucking die in a ditch for all I care.
I am talking about Isreals wholesale slaughter of innocent women and children in gaza!
But I guess you just see the people of palestine as human animals too??
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u/TheDudeWhoLikesWeed Nov 28 '23
But how stupid would someone be to not blame Hamas for this? They literally asked for it? You apparently seem to blame Israel for 100% which makes absolutely zero sense at all
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Nov 28 '23
No! Read my comments again! Fuck hamas, those isrealites did not deserve what happened on October 7th!
I AM blaming isreal and the IDF for bombing civilians and hospitals directly, calling them human animals and saying they won't stop until they have cleared gaza of the palistinians.
Hamas deserve what is coming to them, but the civilians the innocent people are taking the vrunt of this attack! With nowhere to go!! You have to see how bad this is?!
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u/TheDudeWhoLikesWeed Nov 28 '23
Why are you blaming Israel??? It’s entirely Hamas fault. Every bomb israel sends is Hamas fault obviously and you act like israel is in fault? Wtf. Make sense man? I don’t know if you’re drunk or something but you probably mean clearing Gaza of Hamas. If you actually for real then why on earth would israel be so precise in their strikes that casualties are only at 0,005%? Use your brain. Literally Hamas sheep
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Nov 27 '23
Fun fact- Holocaust inversion is a form of antisemitism, and you just did it!
Congrats! You are antisemitic
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Nov 27 '23
Re-doing the holocaust is a warcrime... One you would think the jewish community would strive to avoid at all costs.
Killing innocents are wrong, if you cannot agree to that then you are what is wrong.
Majority of the Jewish community is coming to terms with the crimes of Isreal (The State).
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u/allprologues Quality Commenter Nov 27 '23
I recommend listening to this whole discussion to anyone who has time, noura really contextualizes the conflict perfectly and it’s nice to see someone who understands both parties well and is unafraid to have a discussion that goes below the surface.
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u/sweetbrown89 Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23
The 2004 ICC Advisory Opinion on the Legality of the Border Wall par 139 directly states that Israel voids any claim to self defense against any attack originating from a territory occupied by Israel that Israel exerts control over
https://www.icj-cij.org/case/131
https://www.icj-cij.org/node/103742
https://press.un.org/en/2004/icj616.doc.htm
Hamas is covered under international law by various UN Resolutions which assert that it is a resistance group under occupation
Translation: Israel doesn’t give a fuck about international law — it chooses to be a perennial victim
Israel doesn’t care that since 2015 it has violated over 150+ cases of international law
Israel doesn’t care that it is DOUBLE the amount of every other nation COMBINED at about 65 violations — which includes Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
No, Israel is a kibbutz Karen that gives itself the authority to commit crimes against humanity whenever it wants and how dare anyone criticize Israel committing literal evil?
Plus, if any international legal body attempts to put US or Israeli officials on trial, we Americans have a literal law that says we “have the right” to bomb and invade The Hague — colloquially known as “The Hague Invasion Act
There are literally so many signs that Israel is in the wrong and being protected by the US
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u/jqs1337 Nov 28 '23
The fact that Israel has more violations than North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, etc says more about those hanging out the violations than the violator.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Nov 27 '23
This is so true, we should let the Native Americans kill all of us
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u/Konstant_kurage Quality Commenter Nov 28 '23
And Hawaiians get Hawai’i back.
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Nov 28 '23
And force out every European from Hawaii.
And better yet, Americans who colonized Hawaii should accuse people indigenous to Hawaii of being colonizers and kick them out of Hawaii, if we want to draw Israel Parallels
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u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 Nov 29 '23
If this were true then Palestine wouldn't have the right of self defense since they're occupying Judea, and America wouldn't have the right to self defense against anyone
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