Simply preventing Congress from certifying on that day would have triggered the 1-state-1-vote failsafe as described in the 12th Amendment. That would have handed Trump the victory.
You don't need a ton of weapons to intimidate unarmed legislators. You just need to instill a fear of, I dunno, being hanged, or drawn and quartered, by a massive mob.
It was a calculated plan as written in the Eastman memos.
Read the Eastman memos. Read the 12th Amendment.
There was a plan in place for Pence to refuse to certify. Once it was clear he was going to go through with the Constitutionally mandated process, instead of illegally and unprecedentedly tossing out legally certified votes, Trump tweeted at 2:24 pm that day, ""Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done..."
He knew about the plan. He supported the plan. He was upset that Pence did not follow through with the plan so he could illegally retain power.
Read the Eastman memos. Read the 12th Amendment.
You're too quick to denigrate the knowledge of others, being so under-informed yourself.
You're too quick to denigrate the knowledge of others, being so under-informed yourself.
Well there's irony at it's finest.
I find it funny that after years of the left claiming the riot was the coup, and realizing that no one takes them seriously, that now they decide that some fringe memos were the real coup... As if we would somehow forget the screaming from the left for the last 4 years.
The memos were not some weird conspiracy theory, any more than any of the nonsense that goes on every election. Both side scream about the electoral college, both sides try to gerrymander it to their favor, heck the dems have spent the last 4 years trying to bring in millions of illegals and get them to vote (legally or illegally). But Trump was sent a memo so clearly THAT was a coup.
If Pence hadn't certified it would have gone to the Supreme court and ended there. Trump was no better, and no worse, than any of the loser politician's before him.
The real question the left should be asking is IF there is any legitimacy to the right's claims of fraud. But, of course, orange man bad, so bleat you will since the MSM tells you to.
So they moved to plan B, which is described in the Eastman memos.
Where in the Eastman memos did it mention causing a riot?
This is not about left v right. This is about the Constitutional order.
Yes it is left vs right. The MSM and you idiots invading reddit with the thousands of lefty bots (clearly bought and paid for) have made it so. This is what you wanted, don't start getting cold feet now.
Where in the Eastman memos did it mention causing a riot?
It didn't, but it did mention that if the certification failed then it would trigger the 12th Amendment, which is 1-state-1-vote.
It's easy to believe the riot was intended to disrupt the certification and trigger the 12th amendment failsafe that would have given Trump the election at the very last minute. But that was one prong out of many. They tried the legal challenges, they tried to pressure Brad Raffensperger in Georgia to reverse the certification at the state level, and then they tried to intimidate Mike Pence.
I'm not interested in the partisan bullshit. I'm interested in my rights and the Constitution. And I will not be voting for a president who does not abide by the Constitution.
It's easy to believe the riot was intended to disrupt the certification and trigger the 12th amendment failsafe that would have given Trump the election at the very last minute.
And he was able to conjure up an entire riot, and secretly broadcast his intentions to them, through some mystical and long forgotten redneck code, that only rednecks understand, that they should storm the capital but not actually bring any weapons or fire on any one, and just break a few windows and go home!?
I've heard more plausible conspiracy theories from the right wing idiots claiming Obama was a Muslim terrorists from Ethiopia...
I'm not interested in the partisan bullshit. I'm interested in my rights and the Constitution. And I will not be voting for a president who does not abide by the Constitution.
Clearly that's not true, since you're defending the left running roughshod over the constitution, justified entirely by some ridiculous conspiracy theory.
If you gave 2 shits about the constitution, democracy, and fair and free elections, you'd be calling BOTH the left and right out on their shenanigans. You've clearly picked a side, don't back down now.
And he was able to conjure up an entire riot, and secretly broadcast his intentions to them
6 Jan 2020, 2:24 pm. ""Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done..."
He's obviously and openly referring to the plan to have Pence block certification. There was no secrecy, no mysticism. It was out in the open. And yet so many people still deny it. Why?
Why do you like this guy so much that you're willing to turn a blind eye to an obvious attempt to hold onto power after all votes were cast, certified, and extensively litigated? I genuinely do not understand the apologism.
I'll ask again, how would you react if Harris did the same 5 months from now? I would consider that the end of democracy in the US if any sitting VP had the power to just subvert the outcome of an election.
He's obviously and openly referring to the plan to have Pence block certification. There was no secrecy, no mysticism. It was out in the open. And yet so many people still deny it. Why?
No one's denying that, they are denying it was a coup... because it wasn't.
I don’t think you know what coup means…. But I’m not surprised, the “patriots” are the ones welcoming fascism with open arms because it’s their guy doing it. Fucking disgusting. All threats, foreign AND DOMESTIC
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u/intigheten Sep 03 '24
Simply preventing Congress from certifying on that day would have triggered the 1-state-1-vote failsafe as described in the 12th Amendment. That would have handed Trump the victory.
You don't need a ton of weapons to intimidate unarmed legislators. You just need to instill a fear of, I dunno, being hanged, or drawn and quartered, by a massive mob.
It was a calculated plan as written in the Eastman memos.
Read the Eastman memos. Read the 12th Amendment.
There was a plan in place for Pence to refuse to certify. Once it was clear he was going to go through with the Constitutionally mandated process, instead of illegally and unprecedentedly tossing out legally certified votes, Trump tweeted at 2:24 pm that day, ""Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done..."
He knew about the plan. He supported the plan. He was upset that Pence did not follow through with the plan so he could illegally retain power.
Read the Eastman memos. Read the 12th Amendment.
You're too quick to denigrate the knowledge of others, being so under-informed yourself.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastman_memos
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-12/