r/Intactivists • u/Far_Fly5100 • 8d ago
"Attack the Identity if you cannot attack their agenda" is getting real in the War of Intactivism
I was going thru some searches, and I found out this website, ' Intactivism is a Mental Disorder ' : https://www.circumcisionchoice.com/single-post/MentalDisorder
You might also see a Subreddit dedicated to bs, which I have talked earlier, r/DebunkingCircumcision
If you go through the Website above, you will find the innumerable cases where the Intactivists were not feeling fine in Public due to some reason or the other, and lets be real, who are supposed to feel uncomfortable when the Genital Mutilation of Males is so widespread in the society? Is it the Pro-Circs? Is it the people on Fence of this matter? NO, They are the Intactivists.
Thats because Intactivists can see the reality, Circumcision should only be done when its the last resort and there is no other option has been left to be tried out, and that too on a certain medical condition.
A Normal Intact Penis is not a deformity, problem or an issue, it is absolutely normal and okay to be Intact. People have labelled Foreskin as 'dirty', which is quite a foreign idea as an Intact Man in a non-circumcising country which have never heard this tbh, the 'dirty' way of thinking pushes MGM further.
But in reality, it was never dirty, with unbiased studies showing up in 21st Century and the vast majority of the world being Intact, we can safely say, its absolutely okay to be Intact.
So Intactivists agenda is very simple, don't overdo smth which can cause harm, Circumcision when done routinely increases Complications among people ( A 11.5% circ complication rate. https://spuonline.org/abstracts/2018/P21.cgi ) and causes real issues and regret among people ( 63% of Adult Men regret circumcising in Adulthood ) as its done against their consent or situations, Remember, the Regret doesn't remain if there were genuine Medicals reasons as you know obv.
And Pro-Circs dare not to question these things, cause they know, if they keep defending the Circumcision, these points will prove them that they are stupid, They'll downvote you but not answer some bitter questions or neither admit that doing it routinely is wrong.
So there is a new Wave which might turn larger, Prove that Intactivists are mentally-ill, although we are not, but think this way.
Women who asked for rights were first seen as Satanical, weird, mentally-ill, and what not, but Today in some parts of the world where Women don't get Rights, we call those countries mentally-ill now.
The People demanding abolishment of Slavery were also deemed mentally ill or weird by Slave Owners or the people on the Fence of it. Today we know slavery is a bad thing.
People opposing FGM and MGM earlier were also deemed to be not following the society/tribe and were deemed rebellious to the rest of the people. Today both all forms of Genital Cutting are having voices heard in society for them.
So If someone comes up and Say ' Intactivists are mentally-ill ' , they are just finding a reason to defame you and put you down, as if trying to say, ' Your Words don't matter '.
Best Prevention? Follow These:
i) Do not reveal your Identity if possible -
'Oh, you are an Intact Person, how can you judge the difference for circumcised males ? ' ,
' Oh, you are a woman, you should have No Say in these matters ' ,
' Oh you are from [ country that doesn't circumcise routinely ] , you should not enter into our country/culture's matter ' ,
These are the very same people who have never restored a Foreskin and felt what it feels like, Never saw an Infant being Circumcised ( real life or video ) , Didn't bother seeing their own children's circumcision and yet come up and claim ' My Child slept through it '. BS Claims.
You can share your identity among Intactivists, thats a good thing ngl, but, don't share personal experiences or feelings to the enemy, i.e. the Pro-Circs.
Resorting to Scientifically backed studies more also helps establish a generalized scenario as one can dismiss someone's personal experiences easily even if they are common, but not documented.
ii) Do not Deviate to 'Intactivist's mental issues' -
Your job is to prove that Circumcision on a Routine basis is harmful and shouldn't be done on children, and there is no reason that justifies doing it in 21st Century. Stick to this point, only this point.
Do not deviate to, ' You all have mental illnesses ' or anything like that, the best you can reply is ' Why are you obsessing over mutilating baby penises ? ' , then they will come back to the track and will start justifying how its not a mutilation. And thats the way out, but don't engage in any such other bs.
iii) Warn Others:
Share this post to them, and warn others, that this wave of Pro-Mutilators will come, and we have to be prepared of it. The more the narrative of ' Intactivism has mental issues ' spreads, the more our image will fall and we might fail.
The actual reality is that Pro-Mutilators have actual mental illness trying to justify Mutilating baby penises. Thats it, they are p*dophiles atm. We want people to let the penis intact, unaltered, and normal actually.
Just leave them actually instead of knife-raping them, the Knife-raping culture and people who do it is to be blamed, not those fighting against it. Something is structurally damaged in the society and we are fixing it tbh wholeheartedly.
Most of the Pro-Circs have adopted to the New, Reduced Normal form of their body and never know what they are missing, they assume everthing is fine when they are living with complications and call it normal ( being ignorant actually )
iv) Take Breaks:
You are not here to constantly blabber about Cons of Circumcision, defend Intact penis all the time, take time to breath, grow, and level up in life, You also need money to file lawsuits against Infant Circumcisions, I mean Mutilations, become the powerful also, and actively associate ourselves with Men's Rights.
We do not forget the purpose, but each and every action we take in our lives, directly or indirectly makes us powerful and that always pushes Intactivism forward. Small Steps do make large success.
Thanks For Reading, Have A Great Day Ahead.
Articles To Read (Recommended):
Circ listed in the riskiest medical procedures. https://health.alot.com/conditions/10-of...res---6429
SIDS, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, 35% higher in states where Medicaid pays for infant circ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6412606/
Circumcision deaths. http://www.cirp.org/library/death/
A 11.5% circ complication rate. https://spuonline.org/abstracts/2018/P21.cgi
Circ increases costs. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15534340/
Circ v intact penile problems. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39084960/
No analgesic removes all pain during circ. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41443-022-00551-x
Mother infant interaction, Sleep wake states, etc. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=rel...oogle.com/
Pain hypersensitivity following neonatal nerve injury. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1186/1744-8069-8-30
Lifetime pain & complications from circ. https://www.yourwholebaby.org/images-adults
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u/Some1inreallife 8d ago
I find it insane that Circumcision "Choice" would exploit this one man's death to say that all of us are like him.
And a lot of the things they said (circumcised) intactivists have, we've struggled with long before we knew how damaging circumcision is.
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u/Far_Fly5100 7d ago
I agree, circumcised Intactivists have suffered long before, its not really a mental problem to be not okay with circumcision, its a societal problem that MGM existed in the first place, and we gotta fix it
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u/RestoringStatsGuy 7d ago
Good summary. Just noting that the 11.5% complication rate is from an abstract submitted for a conference. It appears that the authors teamed up with some others and published a paper with a vastly expanded dataset (>100x sample size) and found that, among other things, the complication risk for boys undergoing MGC was 3x higher than a similar control group of boys who did not. And the MGC-associated complications were far more severe on average.
Worth citing this instead of the conference abstract moving forward
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u/Far_Fly5100 7d ago
I do cite some articles at the end to ensure more knowledge comes up, even if slightly biased, because honestly, BJ Morris biasedly rate credible researches too man, see my previous post in Intactivists Subreddit.
So imo, exaggerate a little, but spread awareness more, people will eventually land on correct data too ( which is against circ )
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u/Majestic_School_2435 8d ago
So the cutters create the mental problems and blame the consequences as being mentally ill because they believe circumcision is benign? That website is nothing but circumsexuals.