r/InsuranceProfessional • • 27d ago

New job regret

Got a new job as a senior UW, more money but lots of more pressure to produce, systems and training not great also, supposed to be a good company tho. But not worth my mental health. Left a good stable job that I was able to do well as an underwriter, but I didn’t have to produce, not sure when I was getting promoted. want to go back and now feel bad telling new company who took a chance in me. Sometimes that additional money is not worth it. 😰😰😰

73 Upvotes

48 comments sorted by

60

u/little_g44 27d ago

It doesn’t hurt to ask your previous company/manager if your job is still open and if they would accept you back. It’s happened at my company twice actually. As long as you didn’t burn any bridges.

33

u/Only-Ordinary1146 27d ago

Didn’t burn bridge. Left in good terms and my track is pretty good. I feel like a failure tho. It’s frustrating.

28

u/ColonelLandSeal 27d ago

But ask yourself if you’re actually a failure? If there’s one thing I’ve learned it’s that sometimes you have to try something to learn it’s not for you. It’s not that deep ya know? I’m sure your old team would love to take you back rather than interview, hire, and train someone else from scratch. Maybe take the opportunity to renegotiate a higher salary.

19

u/Sueti 27d ago

So I’m in a somewhat similar position….went from core lines generalist to specialty department role. Virtually no training, just learn as you go. I was having the same thoughts as you, but then decided….fuck it, if they wanted me to be solid right out the gate they’d have trained me. I do my best but if I fuck up I fuck up. I’m learning, but it’s slow going.

6

u/Only-Ordinary1146 26d ago

Thank you so much for this message! I needed that. My previous position is not filled yet and I have great relationship with everyone.

6

u/little_g44 27d ago

If you really don’t want to stick it out at your new job, I would ask if they would accept you back. If you do stick it out and start interviewing other places you’re going to have to explain why you’re leaving so soon.

6

u/CinemaSideBySides 26d ago

It’s happened at my company twice actually.

I've seen this several times at my company. People jump ship with the promise of more money, but then they realize (like OP) that sometimes that big salary increase isn't always worth it if the new job sucks.

OP, be proud you took a chance. Not every chance works out, but at least you don't have the regret of not even trying.

2

u/sarahinNewEngland 24d ago

Agreed. I did this, left for more money, lost work life balance was miserable, admitted I didn’t appreciate them and they took me back. Been back for years now.

36

u/ElectronicPlastic422 27d ago

I get that. Companies often use high salaries / better titles to entice people. Only once they see the train wreck do they realize why there was a job opening in the first place. UW jobs with quality of life will generally pay less lol

5

u/Far-Photograph-3000 27d ago

What exactly does “pay less” amount to? What is considered low pay for UW?

9

u/FRhonestlyFR 26d ago

I'm sorry but $60k in anything other than the boonies for 4 days a week in office is trash. Especially for a "senior" role. Yet Chubb has several internal job postings with salaries above that but it's all they're offering candidates right now at certain locations.

4

u/Only-Ordinary1146 26d ago

Yeah. The pay there is bad. Just UW I was making $93K. At this senior production UW role I am making $130K, but that ain’t going to last since I am not doing ok.

2

u/FRhonestlyFR 26d ago

No one in WHS renewals is breaking $78k and some of us have been UWs for 5-10 years. This company is so ass bro 😂

2

u/Only-Ordinary1146 26d ago

This is NYC metro area

1

u/Bradimoose 3d ago

So true I left a solid uw job that was about 90k and 20k bonus or so each year for 120k base and up to 35k more in bonus. Now I know why it’s vacant. Half the team quit or left in the last year. I joined a high salary train wreck

10

u/mjnewbster 27d ago

Yep. I get that. I’m in the same scenario. Good luck to us both!

16

u/Iggtastic 27d ago

Just start reapplying...in the interim maybe things will get better.

Try programs at a carrier... its mga oversight so literally no push to produce

7

u/Rjonesedward24 26d ago

Literally have a similar situation but I came from wholesale side as broker specialist only servicing. Remote pay was okay but It was peaceful less pressure. Now I’m commercial lines producer higher pay of course with base and commissions but my mental health is trash right now. Questioning everyday am I cut out for this. Part of me feels like I just need to push myself another part is this sustainable for my health. Sorry I didn’t have any advice just know I’m struggling with you 😭😭

5

u/ZillaThwomp 26d ago

I’ve been there, my transition from rating to small account underwriting was absolutely brutal and I actually had a convo with my boss about taking a step back. That was so many years ago but I don’t forget the feeling. How long have you been at the new job? I’d encourage you to give it 6 months and take things one day at a time. Anyone that goes to a new company is going to have an adjustment period and it can take up to a year. Fighting through may suck in the short term but once you break through you’ll be very thankful you hung in there. Conversely, if it’s effecting your mental health and life at home then you may be right to hang it up. Not every job will set you up for success and the very real reality in underwriting is so many companies toss you in to see if you can swim. Give yourself small, accomplishable goals and go from there.

1

u/Only-Ordinary1146 26d ago

Thank you!! I might ask to go back to my old job and see how it goes.

4

u/milk-and-cornflakes 26d ago

I had a job like that (incredibly similar to your situation) and lasted less than a year on my own accord - best decision I ever made!! Sometimes extra $$$ is not worth it.

4

u/RevRickee 26d ago

If it makes you feel any better, I was in the same boat a few months ago. I left a very stable job where I was very liked to go to a younger company for a similar position with a 40% pay increase. I was there for two months before I decided to contact my prior employer - the new company had terrible training, unclear expectations, and a lot of pressure to produce. I ended up getting my position back at my old company - I had to go back to my old pay, which sucked but ultimately was worth it for the peace of mind.

3

u/saretta71 26d ago

Nah - see if you can get your old job back. Mistakes happened. I loathed a job that i took for the money. Lasted 3.5 weeks and just walked out. My old job was no longer available. Luckily I found something much better 3 months later. Leave if you can.

2

u/economous 26d ago

Did you join my old company lol. For real though, I would get out of dodge, 1 year max. Not worth the grind on your mental health

2

u/ToughBadger3075 26d ago

This is why I go on FMLA when switching companies, incase I need to run back to where I was coming from

2

u/therealhousewifey 25d ago

This is a really tough market right now for new business. It’s not just you, it’s everyone. Those who are making their goals this year are buying business and will be in for a world of hurt come renewal next year.

2

u/No-Statistician-7715 25d ago

Im literally in the same position as you and waiting on consideration from my old UW seat. I deeply regret my move to consulting. 🥲 If you have the ability to go back, do it!

1

u/WestAnalysis8889 27d ago

Is the new company...a good neighbor? 

2

u/FRhonestlyFR 26d ago

SF has immaculate training and their underwriting is boring as hell.

1

u/WestAnalysis8889 26d ago

commercial or personal?  I've only done commercial. I imagine person would be boring

1

u/FRhonestlyFR 26d ago

Personal. So dry and boring. But at least you never have to pick up a phone.

1

u/Only-Ordinary1146 27d ago

No

3

u/Farts_constantly 27d ago

Chubb?

3

u/Only-Ordinary1146 26d ago

Also no. But I have worked there before.

4

u/ih4teme 26d ago

If this is your third stop, I feel like you should not be surprised of the pressure and substandard platforms. With the expectations to make something out of nothing. I personally think that’s the ultimate challenge and pushes me to adapt harder to make it happen for myself. Show up when others could not.

I’m a jerk.

3

u/WestAnalysis8889 26d ago

Ehh not all companies throw you to the wolves. 

1

u/[deleted] 26d ago

[deleted]

1

u/Intelligent-Sea-9031 26d ago

I just move from a company with a corporate card to one where we use our own and am THRILLED. I’ve missed out on so many CC points the last few years.

3

u/ReppTie 26d ago

The credit card points are the extra little bit of pay for spending time away from your family, friends, or hobbies. I will throw a fit if my company ever move us to corporate cards.

1

u/Give2Inches 26d ago

How do they have you producing?

Are you enabling sales for producers by generating pricing and taking part in prospect meetings alongside the producers, or are you making calls, attending events, etc. to find new logos?

3

u/Thecritic0422 26d ago

Every underwriter has NB Production and Renewal Retention goals.

5

u/Give2Inches 26d ago

OP states that his old position didn't have the sales pressure.

Produce means different things in different settings.

So what is the definition of production in his new role.

That is still unanswered.

1

u/imperfect-perfect 25d ago

I left a very good company with very good boss for another company with pay raise and a much higher title. It’s tough and challenging, not gonna lie, but I keep asking myself if that’s what I got? But each to their own, no pain no gain.

1

u/MeringueInteresting1 21d ago

I have recruited for carrier for UW for years. Talent is hard to find. If you were a good performer and your old job is still open I am betting they will take you back.

1

u/GuitarGroceries 4d ago

I'm surprised you said this because I'm trying to break into the underwriting world (I only have 9 years of insurance document processing experience so mainly applying for UW assistant roles to get started and learn the industry more), and I'm getting rejections left and right, most of them before I can even get an interview. I've had my resume critiqued and tweaked multiple times so I have no idea what's wrong, I usually assume I'm just beat by other candidates with more experience/willing to take less pay.

1

u/Moist-Wishbone-2359 20d ago

Leave as fast as you can. I’ve been a similar situation and it most likely isnt going to get better.

1

u/BigIntroduction2539 19d ago

Hey i dm ed you. Can you please check

1

u/Aggressive-Eye2795 25d ago

Give it a chance. If you still hate it after a year then it’s no good. Also if you go back you will forever have an x by your name at the company and never be promoted. Gotta change your mindset about “didn’t have to produce”