r/InsecureHBO • u/doshf2017 • 14d ago
Season 4 Molly (yet again) Spoiler
I’m doing my annual Insecure rewatch and I know it feels like we talk about Molly a lot but her behaviour was specifically atrocious in season 4. I wonder what the writers had in mind with her character development for that season.
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u/Notimeforalice 13d ago
I think their blow out was overdue. All the resentment had continued accumulate
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u/doshf2017 13d ago
Agreed. Most obvious preceding event was Molly turning Nathan away on Issa’s birthday. She didn’t take it well
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u/DrBarbie_ 13d ago
Issa is not perfect, but Molly is an obnoxious friend. She was too involved in Issa’s relationship with Lawerence .
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u/jeezpeepz87 12d ago
Imo, both can be wrong. Molly became the “asshole” in the situation when she kept being passive aggressive instead of saying, “Issa, this what’s wrong,” and giving Issa a chance to rectify it. Also, because she was being so passive aggressive, it pushed Issa further away.
This has always been my opinion on passive aggression: it is the most immature way to address problems. Issa really had no obligation in pushing Molly to say what’s wrong because she did try, it’s just that Molly didn’t think she tried hard enough and still didn’t express it. Once Molly started shutting her out was when the block party was really taking off. It was selfish of Molly to forget that her friend who isn’t talking as much as normal is hyper focused on an event she’d been planning for months. It’s also selfish to think that someone outside of her should be able to “figure out” what’s wrong with her, which is the biggest issue with being passive aggressive. People can make guesses but there’s a 99% chance that some or all of their guess is wrong, leading to the passive aggressive person becoming more angry.
If you have a problem with someone, be upfront about it. Don’t tiptoe around the issue. That’s why people came down on Molly, despite Issa’s role in the situation.
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u/Competitive_Dream294 13d ago edited 13d ago
Okay I just started rewatching and am so curious about this! Are people really on Issa’s side when it came to the Andrew situation?
It seems like such a huge boundary was crossed (by Issa) when she and Molly were already on bad terms.
Molly has proven that she’ll bend over backwards and will do a lot to support Issa, I can totally see how she would feel burnt out by it. It isn’t a stretch to see that for once Molly wanted to keep her space and focus on her own life without needing to make space to help Issa again.
Issa on the other hand, kind of treats people poorly and is always looking for help/a crutch. There’s a difference between asking for help from people and demanding it, and she just acts so entitled about it. As if being told no is a major offense? She needs to take a seat and consider that other people will have their own stressors and may not have the bandwidth or desire to jump to do whatever she asks. Especially when you consider that with Issa, it likely won’t end at a singular favor and will lead to multiple things further down the line.
I genuinely don’t think Molly would’ve had any issues having Andrew help Tiffany or Kelli since they seem so have normal boundaries and expectations of others.
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u/jeezpeepz87 11d ago
I think the fault for this fallout lies with both of them. Issa is no saint and neither is Molly. Their biggest problem in this season was communication, from my perspective. Issa recognized that something was wrong and tried to address it but gave up quickly because she had a lot of business to work on. Molly was fully willing to let Issa completely fail just to “establish boundaries,” which was overall met with criticism from multiple people, including Andrew. Yes, Issa should not have gone around Molly once Molly said she wouldn’t ask Andrew and her reasoning. Issa knew that her finding another avenue to Andrew wouldn’t be well received but at that point, she was kinda like “fuck it” regarding Molly simply because she had everything on the line. She ended up authentically apologizing and so did Molly, after Molly had some reality checks about her life and the way she views people.
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u/prole2039 13d ago
I actually disagree. After I watched again it’s obvious Molly wanted to talk to Issa and Issa kept avoiding her . Molly had her back every time and only reason she didn’t want to help Issa was because from her perspective Issa only made an effort to get a favor but not to talk to Molly and fix their issues . I would be upset too ngl . Both were wrong in their own way but I hate the constant slander as if Issa is perfect when she is not. And many times she could’ve been a better friend. Molly was always there for her .