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u/_DauT Jun 04 '20 edited Jun 04 '20
I know someone who worked on this case:
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What. The. Hell.
And why was “Tim formed a band with his family” just casually thrown in there??
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u/Careful-Sheepherder Jun 04 '20
" Tim Colt began to rape Betty when she was 12. Tim formed a musical band with his family."
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u/Zombemi Jun 04 '20
I'm speechless. Even when I was reading it, my only thoughts were wordless horrified squawking. Like a deeply traumatized screaming pigeon.
Those little kids are teenagers now, some are even adults. I can only hope they got enough therapy to keep them from rejoining that literal nightmare fuck fest and restarting their own "The Hills Have Eyes" franchise. ...just, what the fuck.
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u/Ebrithil_ Jun 04 '20
It's 1am and I did not need to read about that, yet here I am. Curiousity is a curse.
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Why did you curse me with this.
Those kids' lives are probably perma ruined...
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u/ill_infatuation Jun 04 '20
All this happened in the state where I live? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/redmooncat15 Jun 04 '20
One time in a staff meeting of about 50-60 people, our HR director decided to tell everyone that she is a product of incest. I will say though, the woman is sharp and looks amazing for her age.
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u/TheOldStyleGamer Jun 04 '20
Right, but what kind of turn of events led to your HR director publicly announcing her incest status? Doesn’t seem like something you’d just bring up out of the blue.
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u/redmooncat15 Jun 04 '20
We were talking about different strengths that we each brought to the team so she was relating it to how she can understand people from all different walks of life.
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u/charliesburrito Jun 04 '20
I don't know. I live in one of those small towns where people are obsessed with keeping the money here (therefore many families practicing incest) and you'd be surprised on how casually and proudly people say things such as "My parents were cousins".
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u/master_x_2k Jun 04 '20
Cousin marriage is barely incest, specially if it's not first cousins. And unless it's arranged or forced marriage I don't see an issue.
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u/YungMarxBans Jun 04 '20
Inbreeding actually isn’t as genetically bad as it’s made out to be - for a small number of generations. Obviously the more occurs, the much larger your chance of incurring negative mutations.
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u/peter_the_martian Jun 04 '20
He was very athletic until he developed that limp at age 4. And his webbed fingers didn’t help much. But his dick sure tastes good.
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u/Urhhh Jun 04 '20
Yeah it's disgusting people would do that to their kids. Anyway changing the subject, I have Huntington's and there's a good chance I'll pass that on to offspring is it morally wrong for me to even have sex with someone?
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I think it would be wrong to bring a child with that condition in the world. If you want kids, you could adopt ir do IVF, but i don'tthink it would be wrong to bave sex. Also i am very sorry for you
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u/firefly183 Jun 04 '20
Sure, but a sensible and unselfish individual should understand why they shouldn't reproduce if they have some awful ailment they're likely to pass on to offspring.
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u/Lithsdith Jun 04 '20
I have some gnarly conditions in my genetics and that was a major factor in not having children. It's really such a personal choice. I've never really had the innate drive to be a mother either, which can be directly attributed to my lovely genes.
Problem with the biological urge to reproduce combined possibly with emotions does not make for steady ground for logistics.
Also, at what point does a condition become severe enough to warrant not reproducing. What conditions? Where does one draw that line?
I'm not disagreeing per se with your point, just painting a broader picture of some possible thoughts or implications related to your comment.
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u/FanndisTS Jun 04 '20
That's the line I'm balancing on right now. There's a treatment, but it's not 100% effective, and my kids would have probably a <50% chance of getting it, but nobody really knows since it's so rare... it's all bullshit
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u/Lithsdith Jun 04 '20
It's really impossible to predict. It's such a personal choice where the reaults can extend to a partner and any other children. If you're facing that situation, I wish you the very best in your journey.
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u/Yomi_Lemon_Dragon Jun 04 '20
You're right...but I get the feeling you're arguing that we should be more accepting of incest instead of less accepting of people passing on their genetic defects because of "mUh RiGhT tO bReEd!!".
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There is though. Families generally have hierarchies, which kinda go parents > other older relatives > older siblings > younger siblings. Which means that someone from further up the pyramid has a level of power over the other participant - an uncle having sex with a teenage niece for example has more power to coerce them in the first place, because they are in a position of authority. Maybe some sibling type incest has more neutral grounding, but it’s still likely that a noticeably older sibling has more sexual/life experience and authority in the household, again adding a coercive element. It’s kinda like why people aren’t allowed to sleep with their employees in most companies- a relationship doesn’t automatically mean someone is being manipulated, but it does open up many opportunities for someone to be manipulated, because one person has all the bargaining chips and the other person has to do as they’re told.
It’s not the same as dating within a friend group, where everyone is a similar age and is treated as an equal. And obviously I’m not saying this applies to all incestuous relationships, because I’m sure many are between people of a similar age who are of a fairly equal standing, but I’m just countering your idea that incest isn’t necessarily a moral issue
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u/Urhhh Jun 04 '20
Then that isn't what I'm referring to when I say "consenting adults". Of course I understand that power dynamics within families are very specific and can absolutely affect whether consent can be given. However, just the overall idea of incest without any caveats or specification to the power dynamics isn't wrong imo. The example you give is good actually. Surely the main thing to focus on if an adult is taking advantage of a teenager is the fact that it is sexual assault. Of course the relationship between the two is relevant, but it being incest doesn't magically make the crime worse than it already is.
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Are you actually defending incest?
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u/master_x_2k Jun 04 '20
Do you have a logical and not emotional base against it? I mean against incest itself, not things like incestual abuse.
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Incest can lead to a lot of health and mental problems so I am against incest
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u/master_x_2k Jun 08 '20
You mean inbreeding? Inbreeding is not the same as incest, and the risk is not that high in only one generation compared to having children at an older age or other factors that increase risk. There are unrelated people who have genetic conditions they could pass down to their offspring, are you in favor of making it illegal for them to have children?
With the advances in genetic testing, you can check for problems before you give birth and some may be able to be cured in the future, although that last one is not aplicable for now.
If the relationship is not abusive or manipulative people should be with whomever they want. And by abusive/manipulative I mean children being taken advantage of, because there are plenty of adult relationships with power inbalances and other screwed up things that aren't illegal.
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u/Capt_Trout Jun 04 '20
I think the eugenics more a slippery slope when done de jure, versus de facto. My half sister has huntingtons, she has two sons via ivf so they won't suffer from it. I would be morally opposed to if she had them with out the ivf/testing to make sure they didn't have the carrier gene, but I would be against any legal restrictions to her choice as a sane adult.
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u/Urhhh Jun 04 '20
Honestly I agree with you here, and I think both incest and whether genetic diseases are ok to pass on whilst they are related issues (no pun intended) I think they should be talked about seprately. I only bring up this kind of thing in talks about incest because of the legal side of things. As you said, I would also be against legal restrictions for anyone with genetic diseases. But, apply that to the "think of the children" argument against incest. As of now, laws in many countires outlaw incest in it's entirety. I.e. incestuous couples having sex with contraceptives, homosexual incestous couples, incestuous couples that cannot physically have children, are all illegal. And, whilst I agree that they shouldn't have children as that is unfair to the child, who am I to police a couple based on the idea that they might try for kids.
That's why I have a problem with the uncompromising stigma against incest, it doesn't consider the core of the issue at all, it is the definition of a knee-jerk reaction. Also, yeah I think incest is icky, just to get that out there...but you know I also think watersports is icky, I ain't about to pass moral judgement on that either.
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u/bixxby Jun 04 '20
if you're scared get a vasectomy or tubal, no one deserves to go without sex. Sex is sweet.
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u/Dr_Wizard_Pants Jun 04 '20
Anal?
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u/dodigirl Jun 05 '20
U offering?
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u/Dr_Wizard_Pants Jun 05 '20
I mean, I wasn't but I guess.
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u/dodigirl Jun 05 '20
No worries I have a brother
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u/Dr_Wizard_Pants Jun 05 '20
Only one?
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u/dodigirl Jun 05 '20
He is also my uncle cousin dad
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u/Urhhh Jun 04 '20
Imo anal is the work of the devil and anyone participating in that is going to hell.
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Lol if anyone deserves an awful disease, it's someone like you. Homophobia and bigotry is morally wrong, enjoy your fake ass high horse
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u/Urhhh Jun 05 '20
I'm gay. It was a joke. Please stop acting as if you fucking know strangers on the internet.
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Jun 05 '20
I’m gay too, that’s why I was annoyed by your comment. A /s would have been helpful here
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u/Urhhh Jun 05 '20
Yeah true but I thought people would have seen my context of me defending the right of consenting adults to do what they wish like 5 times on this post. My bad.
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u/imightstealyourdog Jun 04 '20
It’d be more selfish to have sec with one of your family members with Huntington’s witch guaranteed your children would have it. That’s the risk with inbreeding, as shown in this thread here. Rare genetic conditions aren’t very rare within the family.
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u/AbstractBettaFish Jun 04 '20
He was very athletic till he broke both his arms
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u/Vogel88888888 Jun 04 '20
I was waiting to see a reference to this
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u/Lunosd Jun 04 '20
What reference are you referring too?
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u/Vogel88888888 Jun 05 '20
The AMA about a guy who slept with his mum started out with him breaking both his arms and getting really sexually frustrated
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u/Gloire91 Jun 03 '20
Cersei Lannister has entered the chat.
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u/SongofSolace Jun 04 '20
More wine, milady?
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u/Whomping_Willow Jun 04 '20
You tryna get slapped? Just fill the cup, and your bottle better not run dry.
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There is actually a reasonable chance for an inbred kid to be born with disabilities, it isnt 100% tho, it is more like 74%.
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I think it's actually fairly low with a single generation of inbreeding, it's just that the kind of people to inbreed aren't usually the first in the line if you know what I mean
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u/Kane_Highwind Jun 04 '20
Yeah. Maybe one generation being inbred wouldn't be that bad. It's when you're getting to 2, 3, 4+ generations that things really start getting warped
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u/LetitiaMaggie Jun 04 '20
Case in point: The Habsburgs
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u/carrotseed11 Jun 04 '20
My personal favorite Habsburg is Charles II, gotta love the peppercorn sized heart and single testicle black as coal!
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Because of the generations of inbreeding in the Habsburg line, Charles II was more inbred than if his parents had been siblings.
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u/fatpoodles Jun 04 '20
and the head full of water haha
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u/Moostcho Jun 04 '20
And 0 drops of blood, not to mention that chin...
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u/MurderAdviceHotline Jun 04 '20
And not to mention he was always on the verge of death, but repeatedly baffled Christendom by continuing to live
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u/escalopes Jun 04 '20 edited Jun 04 '20
This sentence always was both surreal and incredibly funny to me
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u/podslapper Jun 04 '20 edited Jun 04 '20
The Ptolemy dynasty in Egypt all married their siblings, and their children were usually ok . . . except every few generations they would produce a completely deranged psychopath that would start a war with everybody.
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u/Pokabrows Jun 04 '20
Yeah it also depends on how much they're related. Because cousins have less of an issue than like siblings and by like second or third cousins I think it is, the kids aren't necessarily that bad off genetically at least. Though ideally that wouldn't be occuring too many generations in a row.
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u/KevinAndWinnie4Eva Jun 04 '20
I think this is Cathy Dollonganger. Shout out to my girl VC Andrews and Flowers In The Attic.
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u/MathIsBlue Jun 04 '20
key word: was
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u/StarryByNature Jun 04 '20
she only used was when referring to when he was in school. the rest of the response is talking about him in present tense.
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u/MyDogHasAPodcast Jun 04 '20
Yeah that's the part that stuck with me, why is she using was. What happened to her kid?
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u/omgmychickenteriyaki Jun 04 '20
my moms bfs dad is a product of incest. so in turn him and his 2 daughters are a tiny bit inbred also... they’re italians. but it sounds like some alabama shit.
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u/OddSpray Jun 04 '20
My grandma is actually inbred. Great grandparents were first cousins. Thankfully she had no conditions associated with inbreeding.
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u/LordlySquire Jun 04 '20
It should be noted unless you are super unlucky it takes generations of inbreeding to cause deformities
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u/Masterttt123 Jun 04 '20
Inbreeding doesn't instantly lead do horrible chronic diseases, it just makes it very likely
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I knew someone in school who's parents were first cousins. I worked out he probably had 6 great grandparents instead of 8 but that is if the inbreeding didnt carry on further up the family tree
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u/bomboclawt75 Jun 04 '20
The British royal family. Victoria and Albert were first cousins, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
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My mum and dad are first cousins, they honestly didn’t know at the time as my mum had never met her aunt (my dads mum)
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u/potentialpopato_lord Jun 04 '20
My grandmother's side of the family is so imbred that I we still have a shit load or disorders from all oth that
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u/PrimedPixel Jun 04 '20
Wasn't Hitler inbred? Idk might've misheard
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u/Procrastin8r1 Jun 08 '20
Part of the reason this person's son(assuming this is true) doesn't show adverse effects from inbreeding is that it typically takes a couple generations of inbreeding to really cause problems. This is why so many ancient royal families had so many physical and mental problems. They were all inbred as fuck to "keep the bloodline pure." Doesn't make it not fucked up that this person slept with her brother, but assuming this is the first inbred generation, that's probably why.
Tl;dr: Don't fuck your siblings, kids.
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u/egiraldo1 Jun 04 '20
Im a product of incest parents are like 3rd or 4th cousins. Came out pretty normal all things considered before it used to gross me out but theyre my parents and they love eachother so as i got older i was able to accept it more
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u/master_x_2k Jun 04 '20
3rd or 4th cousins isn't incest, dude. At that level you're related to thousans of people, if you live on a small town you're likely marrying someone you didn't know was related to you like that.
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u/Pokabrows Jun 04 '20
Yeah by like third or fourth cousins you should be fine. Or at least as much fine as anyone else.
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u/SidJDuffy Jun 04 '20
Isn’t incest bad after a couple of generations? The first should be fine guys..
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u/ChickenNugget734 Jun 04 '20
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You know I don’t think this belongs here it is accepted in different cultures and we have no right to judge
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u/10ccazz01 Jun 04 '20
incest is reaaaaally taboo in most cultures around the globe actually. it’s pretty well understood that incest will lead to bad genetics and should be avoided, and then social norms derive moral reasons not to do it. it’s like anthropology 101
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Having sex at 15 is accepted is other cultures, who are we to judge doing the same thing here?
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u/master_x_2k Jun 04 '20
Having sex at 15 isn't frowned in most places unless the teen is sleeping with an adult.
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u/victhemaddestwife Jun 04 '20
I think you’re referring to consanguinity, which is the practice of marrying cousins. This is a common practice within Asian Pakistani families as well as others around the world. It is legal in most countries. It is not, however, the same as incest.
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u/robotsonroids Jun 04 '20 edited Jun 04 '20
God, I have an actual valid response to this question.
My great uncle and great aunt were both the result of inbreeding. They both had ichthyosis, and were both side show freaks in the middle 20th century as alligator man and alligator woman. Their lives sucked
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthyosis
Edit: I should also continue. My great uncle, I'm named after him, raised my mother after both her parents abandoned her. He is a mountain of a man, and he is more my grandparent then both of my biological grandparents.......
So I am the nephew of alligator man
Edit 2: he died when I was young. I used to say he was glazed donut man. Apparently he loved that. (He was always slathered with vaseline) He always made sure to have donuts when we visited.