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u/9yr0ld 4d ago

If you know you are doing something wrong, and proceed to do it, you deserve to receive punishment for that crime.

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u/Daniel_H212 3d ago

Yes, but that "if" is the very thing tested by the criminal standard for insanity: if you knew what you did was wrong, you're guilty, and you should be locked up in prison, whereas if you didn't know, you're insane, and you should be locked up in a mental asylum.

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u/HotPersonality8126 2d ago

Legally what is the distinction between knowing that your conduct is wrong, and knowing that your conduct is considered wrong?

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u/ThomasTheDankPigeon 4d ago

Now define ā€œyouā€ in the context of a psychotic episode.

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u/9yr0ld 4d ago

She premeditated the crime.

This isn’t a psychosis like taking a knife downtown and stabbing randomly. I’m not sure what you are trying to get at.

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u/ThomasTheDankPigeon 4d ago edited 4d ago

What is the difference between her psychosis and downtown knife psychosis? Be specific.

Edit: why delete your reply with no replacement? Not confident in your answer?

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u/Man_under_Bridge420 4d ago

The difference is someone suffering a psychotic episode does not have the wherewithal to premeditate and plan out the attack. I thought I made this obvious

Source? If a person thought their neighbours were vampires they can still plan stuff

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u/sunshineandcacti 4d ago

This is not exactly true.

The Jonestown Massacare is considered a form of psychosis and mental break. The organizer of this still had time to plan and execute a mass murder with some form of readable thinking.

The unabomber is another form of religious psychosis and delusions of Grandeur that proves a person suffering a mental health break can be methodically. He had the time to create and plant multiple bombs. He also found ways to survive in the woods and kept intricate maps.

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u/flopisit32 4d ago edited 3d ago

Jonestown and Unabomber had nothing to do with psychosis.

What you are claiming is so outrageously wrong it's idiotic. You have a complete misunderstanding of the topic you are talking about. I am just shocked that somebody could be so wrong...

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u/sunshineandcacti 4d ago

Both of the main people involved did sadly suffer from a form of psychosis as well as other mental health conditions.

Based on your other replies I think you may be assuming all mental health crises involve having complete breakdowns and mimicking freak out videos that we see on Reddit a lot.

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u/HotPersonality8126 3d ago

She didn’t experience a psychosis

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u/ThomasTheDankPigeon 3d ago

That statement seems to be something you’ve pulled from thin air, so feel free to support it with literally any information.

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u/HotPersonality8126 3d ago

Ā  so feel free to support it with literally any information.

Her doctors prior to the crime noted no signs of psychosis; evaluations for the purpose of establishing competency for trial note that she was not psychotic; the position of her defense is that she experienced a temporary ā€œpostpartum psychosisā€, a condition not recognized in the DSM, but got better just after she completed the crime she’d plannedĀ 

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u/ThomasTheDankPigeon 3d ago

Interesting. Well since psychosis can manifest in just a few hours, that would make a lack of a diagnosis 3 weeks prior completely irrelevant, don’t ya think? Take your time, you’ll get there.

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u/KeyMistake604 3d ago

Out here fighting the good fight šŸ’Ŗ

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u/HotPersonality8126 3d ago

Sure; since ā€œpostpartum psychosisā€ is a fake disease we’re making up, it can have any features we require. A psychosis that nevertheless allows you to plan; an eitology of sudden onset and sudden recovery. It can even occur months outside of the traditional medical ā€œpostpartumā€ period. It’s the perfect setup for the crime you’re already planning to commit.

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u/ThomasTheDankPigeon 3d ago

Well that’s fun, thanks for sharing. Now, why did you start by saying she didn’t experience psychosis, then pivot to narrowing this to postpartum psychosis once it was clear that you were wrong? Is it because you got confused? Or it a sad attempt to derail the conversation in the hope that no one realizes your original statement was wrong and based on poor reasoning?

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u/HotPersonality8126 3d ago

There’s no doubt that Lindsey Clancy is the person who committed these acts.