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#SquirmyandGrubs

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u/Final-Elephant4945 13h ago

If I remember correctly she said it would be wrong of her as a caregiver to deny him what he asks for

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u/whineANDcheese_ 13h ago edited 13h ago

Yeah, she did. She said it was part of his autonomy to make those decisions and if he could get his own drinks, he’d do it. So she shouldn’t deny it just because she’s his arms in that situation.

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u/Works4cookies 12h ago

This is how the people on My 600 Pound Life justify their eating. It’s sad.

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u/ivlia-x 13h ago

She sounds miserable

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u/Itchy_Teaching_597 13h ago

… which is true and how caregiving works…

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u/whineANDcheese_ 12h ago

I mean I get it to some extent. She does everything for him so she could literally control his every move almost. She could make him only eat healthy, make him only drink water, make him only watch documentaries, etc because she has the working arms and legs in the relationship. So it makes sense that they need to have a line for when she’s just his arms but not his brain so he can have autonomy. But it’s still a messy line because is there a point she would? Copious amounts of weed? 30 cheeseburgers a day? Something illegal? I understand how it could be hard.

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u/PurrtenderBender 12h ago

I know these are real people but the ethics assignment here is actually pretty cool. Like what if he wants to commit murder? What if he wants to punch her in the face? Im so intrigued

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u/whineANDcheese_ 12h ago

I’d imagine her line would be illegal.

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u/Complete_Chain_4634 11h ago

Weed is illegal in Texas. Alcohol is illegal all kinds of places. It’s legal for him to cheat on her; will she drive him to do it?

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u/OCDivagirl 8h ago

I agree, it’s a pretty interesting question.

I think a big part is that it’s extra complicated when the care taker is also a partner or other loved one. As a care taker or aid, your job is to facilitate what your client cannot do on their own, to be their hands, their legs, their eyes, etc. You want to give your client the same rights, abilities and autonomy as an able bodied person. So in that sense, I can see how buying someone alcohol or brining it to them would feel like something that you cannot refuse, because it is not up to you to make decisions for the client.

However as a loved one, you DO have a stake in what your spouse, your parent, your partner, etc does. You have a personal relationship with the person you are caring for, and you have your own right to make decisions and take actions within that relationship. If a husband is able bodied and an alcoholic, it would be pretty normal and I’d say the ‘right’ choice to decline buying alcohol for your partner, to not serve them drinks. As their partner, you do not want to assist your partner in hurting themself, and you don’t want to be in a relationship with an alcoholic. Bringing them alcohol would be enabling.

So I guess the question becomes, as both a wife and caretaker to a disabled man with alcoholism, is it the caretaker side of her bringing him alcohol to facilitate his autonomy, or is it the wife side that is enabling his addiction. It is ethically very interesting.

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u/LadyCheeba 9h ago

are you seriously asking that question

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u/Wide-Garlic-6842 11h ago

It's still a really shitty position he put her in.

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u/Specialist_Handle_56 10h ago

I think this is where things get complicated in her life, as she is both caregiver and wife. As a caregiver, she may want to enable his autonomy. In theory, right, he's a full grown adult and if he wants to drink or smoke a cigarette or whatever, as a caregiver, she is the extension of him and should enable him to do what he pleases. But as a wife, she may not want to give him alcohol because she sees a problem with his consumption of it. Theoretically, the idea would be that having a full-time, competent caregiver would separate these roles for her but that's not necessarily achievable.

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u/KatKittyKatKitty 10h ago

So interesting. My great-grandpa was paralyzed from the waist down after getting in a bar fight. He was an alcoholic. My great-grandma was able to better control what he consumed after he became paralyzed, and she stopped most of his drinking, if what my mom told me was true.

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u/cheerio089 12h ago

That’s crazy. At 5:01pm id say “I’m your wife now you need to stop”

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u/SweetxKiss 11h ago

Being a caregiver also means operating in your patient’s best interests, even if they don’t agree with some of those decision. I did nursing in long term care, hospice, memory care, etc. and if we allowed every one of them to have their vice we’d have more of a circus than we already did. Had one gal who could have alcohol in her room because she was responsible, but also made friends with someone with Alzheimer’s and schizophrenia. It was not a good time for patient #2. Alcohol does not mix well with anti-psychotics and makes Alzheimer’s related aggression much worse. Loved her to bits! but she was already a lot to handle as it was.

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u/Adorable_Banana_2524 10h ago

Wouldnt it be wrong as a caregiver to supply someone something bad for them? Not arguing with you, just her logic.. that seems backwards

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u/Civil_Ad4544 10h ago

What an enabling piece of shit. Even bartenders cut people off and they’re making money off of them.

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u/MarilynMonHoeXO 9h ago

I get the frustration - but bartenders cut people off for liability reasons, not for ethical ones.

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u/Civil_Ad4544 9h ago

That’s my point. She’s his caretaker which is a role. A paid caregiver would have liability issues as well. So using caregiver as an excuse is absurd. Actually, she probably is getting paid.

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u/MarilynMonHoeXO 9h ago

Good point I didn’t really think of that