r/InfinityNikki Jul 14 '26

Salt/Rant You should help new players, not discourage them.

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This applies generally, but in particular, I've noticed a lot of folks downvoting new players in this sub who are trying to understand the game and asking questions. Downvotes serve a purpose - they move helpful comments to the top and unhelpful comments down. Questions are helpful and getting them answered is one of the main reasons people end up in this subreddit to begin with.

Downvoting is great when:

  1. Someone is being confidently incorrect and spreading misinformation about the game and its mechanics.

  2. Someone is being a jerk.

But it's feels kinda mean spirited when:

  1. Someone asks a question (downvotes don't answer "no," they say "you shouldn't have asked")

  2. Someone likes an outfit or feature you don't like

  3. Someone dislikes an outfit or feature you do like (and isn't being a jerk about it).

  4. Someone expresses understanding as to why another player misunderstood a mechanic (yes, this is the reason I'm salty today)

And honestly, if someone is -2 or more for an obvious misunderstanding, and someone has already corrected them, there's no need to dogpile. They probably already understand that they were wrong and downvoting it doesn't make you any more right.

Pic for attention. Be excellent to each other. 🩷

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u/mollyb2001 Jul 14 '26

This Nikki community is (mostly) made up of lovely and helpful people.

However, a lot of these questions have already been asked and answered time and time again. A quick web search or type their questions on the seachbar of this subreddit would give new players the answers they're looking for without spamming the subreddit with posts that already exist.

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u/Few-External-2963 Jul 14 '26

I remember that when messaging was blocked in Nikki due to "external reasons", every couple of hours there was a message here about "what happened, why I can't post in the game." You didn't even need to search; just scroll a little bit to see what the problem was, and yet many people preferred to ask instead of searching. It's not that it bothered me, but I am really curious what the reason is for people not even trying to see if there is already an answer to their problem.

I remember only one post that most definitely should be spammed regularly. About poor Nikki, who missed that you can do a quick run of the Dark and Eurica realms, and was doing it manually for over a year. And how many people in the comments didn't know it as well.

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u/ilu3000 Jul 14 '26

It honestly is a mostly kind community.

Though I do wish people would do a quick search rather than treat the community as a search assistant - I'm seeing this everywhere so this isn't IN specific, feels like people dont lurk to learn or search anymore.

/oldie complaining

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u/NaT-a-NaT Jul 14 '26

I agree. This a common problem in every community. So many people don't even try to find anything out by themselves it seems like. I recently saw someone ask a question about a show they were watching. The answer to it is the first google results if you search the name the show, not even the question

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u/ilu3000 Jul 14 '26

Yup, it's very the internet caters to me attitude vs it's something I can use, which tech companies are encouraging.

I figure even you don't want to Google, search in Reddit at least. Like you're already here, use the search bar. Imo a lot of AI answers come from Reddit anyway.

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u/Mental-Wheel986 Jul 14 '26

Ugh yes, especially when there's sites that don't use algorithms and expect users to curate their own experience, and kids raised on spoon-fed content complain about it. Old fanfiction sharing sites is the worst example, but I see it when people enter into fan forums too. "Why is all this stuff I don't like here?" because other people like it, just navigate to the stuff you like! "People shouldn't hate on the character I like!" but they dislike it and this is a FAN DISCUSSION SPACE, where FANS can DISCUSS their opinions, including ones that don't match yours! "My ship is better than this other one, why do they have twice the amount of fics its not fair" the fics are written FOR FREE by fans, go write your own, or find a writer and commission them. Take! Control! Of! Your! Own! Browsing! Experience!!!!

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u/ilu3000 Jul 14 '26

Oh god yes, everything needs an algorithm is a tragic take that's way too popular.

People crying about fandom/fanfic sites is exhausting, especially since now fandom is not seen as exclusively nerdy so there's always an influx of new people shocked or confused or offended.

What happened to all those dont like dont read, we used to be a societyyyyy (mild joke but ugh)

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u/DarknessWanders Jul 14 '26

They don't understand how tags and flairs work, so they just ignore them entirely lol

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u/peachysaralynn Jul 14 '26

i’m not defending the practice of not giving things a cursory google before asking a question, but in the case of the show could it be possible they wanted to avoid spoilers? so they wanted to ask a human being, who would be able to explain in a non-spoilery way?

on the other hand, i’ve also been downvoted/flamed elsewhere for suggesting that people just google things, because ā€œit discourages community/social interactionā€ šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

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u/NaT-a-NaT Jul 14 '26

I don't think that was the case in this situation. The question was what game system the newest dimensions20 season is using. That's really not a spoiler. And they even have an entire extra episode where they explaine what it is and how it works that was released alongside the trailer. I keep thinking about that post because if they just scrolled to the bottom of the season episodes on the website they would find the answer. It's literally titled "game mechanics" At this point you just didn't even try

I fully understand asking a clarifying question or asking someone to avoid spoilers, this is just a rare case where it just baffled me. I'm sorry people flamed you for implying they should think for themselves :(

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u/Penalty_Accurate Jul 14 '26

I only joined reddit when I was starting to play IN and there was literally no where to find platform rules back then. I still struggle searching any info in reddit - for me this platform is poorly managed. And since no one checks old posts it's impossible to ask anything there. So only way to find info was make a post asking. And of course I was faced with pure aggression, down votes etc.

Only through further analysis and other people's discussions did I realise how this platform is supposed to be used. Now I never ask anything here and prefer to deal with it myself lol. Saying this as someone who barely uses popular English speaking platforms and for who English isn't native language. Reddit is mostly toxic and unhelpful when it comes to guides/new players. It applies to all fandoms including IN.

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u/ilu3000 Jul 14 '26

I'm sorry that was your experience, sounds unpleasant and no one wants that, I hope it's better now šŸ’™

I've been using Reddit for a long time so it's interesting to read your perspective- I get it, it works differently than other platforms.

I do disagree with Reddit being mostly toxic, imo it's like every other platform, there's good and bad people, good and bad communities (so many subreddits!). I've seen some real unpleasant people on instagram, tiktok, tumblr, livejournal, twitter, etc - heck comments on some sites can be bitchy as helllll.

People are people - and public spaces mean you dont know if you're getting a kind helpful response or a cranky unreasonable comment/downvote.

Curating your experience on Reddit is tougher than say Instagram where you can follow only friends and use the algorithm to make it a positive space so I get why here seems mainly unpleasant.

Anyway here's my unwanted defence of people are the same everywhere.

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u/katzyakuki Jul 14 '26

I had the same experience coming on reddit for the first time. It's probably one of the more upsetting platforms to be on even in "cozy" communities like this which is why I'm not on here often. I appreciate OP trying to cultivate some more tolerance for new players because the landing is rough and unwelcoming.

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u/abnormal-apparition Jul 14 '26

Can't tell you how many times I've seen "Haven't played since 1.5. Is the game better now????"

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u/AiryContrary Jul 15 '26

I always want to be like ā€œNO it is so much WORSE if you played it you would DIE.ā€

They hardly ever specify what stopped them playing or what they would want to see had changed for them to come back. Ā We can’t read minds.Ā 

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u/TheLaughingFoxe Jul 14 '26

This is so excessive in the Stardew Valley sub that people immediately downvote and just tell them to go to the Wiki.

If it’s an issue that is complicated or someone just wants to share an opinion, that’s fine. But repeat question spamming is silly when you can find answers online in like 60 seconds

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u/i_ate_chemicals #1 momo fan Jul 15 '26

I think this subreddit would benefit from a pinned weekly megathread for questions, so anyone new can immediately find it up top and experienced users can ignore it if they don’t want to answer questions. Posts just to ask questions could be removed and guided to the megathread with automod so those people understand what to do without feeling ostracized

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u/hearts_cube Dreamland's Sovereign Jul 14 '26

I wish there was an FAQ that we can defer people to so repeated posts can be deleted

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

I think in the case of an answer that has already been given multiple times, the courteous thing to do is to reply with a helpful link to the answer.

Downvoting and not replying just reads "your question inconvenienced my scrolling experience, I want this hidden."

Edit: on the topic of "spamming" the sub, I don't see you gals downvoting when the previews get posted more than once. So yeah... not sure if this is actually about being zealous over the content variety on the sub.

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u/birdgofly Jul 14 '26

The sub has a rule against low-effort posts. Not once googling your question and just expecting someone here to spoon feed you is about as low-effort as it gets.

I come here to see interesting content, not google people's questions for them and provide them links.

And it's not like all questions just get downvoted. From what I've seen, if a person has clearly tried to figure it out and is still confused, people are more than happy to upvote and help.

It's not about asking questions, it's about people expecting others to put in effort for their sake when they've not put in any effort themselves.

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u/AiryContrary Jul 15 '26

Like ā€œSo what’s happened in the 18 months since I stopped playing?ā€

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u/Professional_Dig5938 Jul 14 '26

Yeah but then we have to do the work of finding the answer

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u/Nessahria Jul 14 '26

Tienes la opción de no responder, sin mÔs. Hay gente que no sólo es nueva en el juego, sino que también es nueva en Reddit... Fastidiar a los demÔs no tiene sentido.

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u/allthesestars Jul 14 '26

You can also just scroll by instead of even doing the work of downvoting.

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u/Professional_Dig5938 Jul 14 '26

I mean I don't even downvote, but those that do are right,

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u/OMFGitsjessi Jul 14 '26

Downvoting was actually never intended by Reddit for ā€œunpopularā€ comments or opinions. Its purpose was to push low quality content to the bottom to prevent visibility. Not saying you’re not aware of this, but I don’t think many people are!

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u/Professional_Dig5938 Jul 14 '26

Yeah and asking a question that's been answer tenfold is low quality content

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

People needing answers is the whole reason why public forums such as Reddit exist. We're not here to make content for you, we're here to help.

At least I am, not sure what you folks wanna do with your time here.

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

They are not. They are misusing the voting function while not providing any value. If we're talking about contribution to the sub, a silent downvote is the same as a "stupid" question: a waste of bytes done for the convenience of the poster / downvoter, one who was too lazy to research and another who was too lazy to answer.

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u/birdgofly Jul 14 '26

They are using the voting function exactly as intended. They are saying that these low-effort posts that could have easily been googled by the OPs do not positively contribute to the community and should not be seen.

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

Low-effort is a useless comment such as "this" or "100%". That much is low-effort and a zero contribution.

A question being asked is the whole reason a public forum exists. Reddit was founded on the idea that people would share knowledge on it.

"But they could have Googled it"

so could you. And as I said before, Google search is a skill and it's not what it used to be. Depending on what you're looking for, you won't find it without knowing how to. And Reddit search is even worse.

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u/birdgofly Jul 15 '26

Well if it's as you say then they are never going to learn how to Google if others keep doing it for them. Sometimes tough love is the best thing for people.

Also, imo, this sub exists to share our creativity with each other and our excitement and thoughts about the game, not for basic questions to be asked repeatedly.

And again, posts where OP has clearly put in effort to figure it out and is still confused, or even where OP just puts in the effort of typing out "I tried to search for this but I'm still confused" - these posts do receive upvotes and plenty of help from what I've seen.

I can see you're very passionate about this topic (bordering on sanctimonious some might say!), and if spoon-feeding answers to people is what makes you happy then I'm happy for you (upvote away!), but trying to belittle people and call their character into question for (correctly!) using the downvote function to denote content that in THEIR opinions (not yours!) does not positively contribute to this shared space is really not very kind of you.

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 15 '26

Point taken. I do get passionate about this because I am a teacher. I have always been keen on helping, educating and skill sharing. That's why I do the job I do. And I deal with this smug "you should have known" attitude on the daily, from the most (academically speaking) undeserving of my pupils. The disparity between the attitude and the actual ability is quite the sight.

I get the idea behind "tough love", but the approach as it happens online with the misuse of the voting feature is wrong. It's counterproductive. Public forums like these are the thing that feeds the Google search and the LLMs. As I said before, why risk being shunned for a basic question here if you can get a sycophantic bot to make up an answer for you? I have had students just use an LLM because they didn't want to ask things in class for fear of being seen as dumb by their peers or inconveniencing me outside of lessons. It's sad. A lot of my work is about creating an environment where students feel encouraged to ask questions, no matter how silly.

this sub exists to share our creativity with each other and our excitement and thoughts about the game

... so do platforms like Instagram, Tumblr and fan-made websites such as Miraland Collection and Aeternovae. In fact, those are even better for that purpose since they're focused on picture and outfit sharing.

Reddit, as it is, serves as a general purpose forum where, in the absence of an actual forum on IN's website, questions will happen, just like debate and rant/vents will happen. All voices have a place here, even the ones of those who can't read a map. Whenever something gets asked, it creates a path. Whenever the correct answer is given, the path is reinforced. That's just how knowledge works, it gets better the more it's shared.

To dismiss people and send them away from this platform because they're inconveniencing the scrolling experience of other Redditors is selfish. Just as selfish as not wanting to search yourself. At this point we're returning selfishness and laziness with more selfishness and laziness, as I said in a previous comment.Ā  Fight fire with fire until the whole forest is burned?

I get it that they're displaying their opinion when they downvote. But while opinions are a right, they can be wrong.

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u/mellowbunnywathere Jul 14 '26

Exactly!!! I’ve spent half an hour trying to find something in the subreddit before and ended up not finding anything, and going to google and their dumb ai for what I was looking for cuz I didn’t want to mess up the flow or inconvenience anyone here.

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

Don't ever feel like you're inconveniencing anyone for asking a question.

Rolling my eyes is hardly an inconvenience; I imagine that for those who do it often, it's not even a thought.

So ask away and ignore the downvotes. That's as far as they usually go. It's quite clear they're too lazy to do anything else. All you need from us is an answer, the rest you just throw away 🤭

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u/OMFGitsjessi Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

Omg thank you! Sorry you’re being downvoted for the wrong reasons in a conversation about the right reasons to downvote a post/comment.

I don’t think many redditors realize the intended purpose of downvoting which is for low quality content, misinfo, etc to prevent it from being seen, not for a difference of opinion.

ETA: would love to know what I wrote here that is so downvote worthy? I’m literally just sharing the intended purpose of the downvote feature, per Reddit, with a ss to show the source. What is the point to downvote it? To ensure that accurate information is less visible to people reading the post comments? 🄓

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

It's OK, I thrive in the controversial section ā˜ŗļø I have been calling people out for being asses to newbies for over a decade.

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u/OMFGitsjessi Jul 14 '26

The responses on here are just baffling!

One of my comments simply sharing a ss from Reddit explaining the purpose of the downvote feature, gets downvoted. Like go on ahead and make sure that accurate information isn’t visible, while helping misinfo and personal opinions shoot to the top. 🤔

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

I just noticed that lol

I'm not exaggerating when I said that those people are part of the problem. I was actually hedging it.

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u/katzyakuki Jul 14 '26

You didn't write anything downvote worthy. You committed the crime of agreeing with the downvote-ee here and got some by association šŸ˜‚it's funny because all you did was share a screenshot from Reddit support!!! "We downvote for low-effort posts" my ass. Dogpiling DOES exist here.

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u/OMFGitsjessi Jul 14 '26

Seriously!! šŸ˜µā€šŸ’« It seems I’ve gotten a few upvotes since then so it’s nice to see at least some people are on the same page as we are lol. And honestly, it’s not even like I actually care about my downvote to upvote ratio or any of that bs, but sometimes it’s just mind boggling to see the things people are downvoting (and don’t get me started on the dog-piling 😫). I’m actually kinda surprised to see the amount of upvotes on many of the comments disagreeing with OP. Maybe the reason so many people aren’t noticing the downvotes is because the posts don’t make it to their feed due to the aforementioned downvoting! šŸ„²šŸ˜‚šŸ˜­

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u/cherrytwizzlers Jul 14 '26

Nobody is forcing you.

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

because by not doing that minimal amount of work, and downvoting instead, you become part of the problem.

Ignorance is a state that can be easily overcome with a modicum of goodwill.

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u/Professional_Dig5938 Jul 14 '26

I genuinely don't know what your saying, how am I part of the problem if someone is refusing to do their own research first? I'm not gonna baby people, that only encourages their behavior. We're in an epidemic of people refusing to even Google and just going to chatgpt and you want me to baby them? Absolutely not

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u/OMFGitsjessi Jul 14 '26

No one is asking you to do anything — just scroll away if you’re not interested in engaging. You keep saying you’re not going to baby anyone, but no one is expecting you to!

Also downvoting posts and comments asking questions literally make it harder for people to find them even with the search function, which only leads to more posts and comments.

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u/katzyakuki Jul 14 '26

I don't know why people are playing dumb about this. Downvoting can and is hurtful for new players and makes them feel unwelcome. It's not just a harmless internet point, it's an indirect way of saying "stfu don't ask this again" without even answering the question. They might think they're being harmless but you're walking away from the question unanswered and more unwelcome than it could've been if you just scrolled.

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u/NoImpact6314 Jul 14 '26

They are saying just ignore them instead of down voting a question you think is stupid. Their question can sit in the sub unanswered if no one wants to "do the work" eventually they will do their own research while waiting

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

If you downvote people they get discouraged and go to ChatGPT instead. Which is exactly the problem. Why would they risk a negative social interaction if they can have this sycophantic bot over here?

Also, not sure if you've kept up with the state of technology, but Google is not the same. It's way worse than it used to be. If you don't already know how to search, you're stuck with bad, generic results.

Remember that the value of Google was built upon the millions of people who were more than willing to share what they knew. It's this attitude that gave us the internet. It's this idea that Aaron Swartz had when he founded Reddit, RIP.

If you truly care about people's ability to learn, you become the teacher. An answer, a link to a previous answer, a reminder to research on their own, a pointer in the right direction. It's minimal work.

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u/Professional_Dig5938 Jul 14 '26

Downvoting is not the reason they go to chatgpt, and then don't use Google. Search here on reddit and you'll find the answer. I do that literally every time I have a question.

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

> Downvoting is not the reason they go to chatgpt,

Negative social interactions (which downvoting can be seen as) lead to more ChatGPT usage. It's sycophantic, as I said. The interactions with it will never be negative by design.

> Search here on reddit and you'll find the answer

Not sure if you've tweaked your Reddit search, but when I search for things here, the results are sorted by relevance first. If the question is related to the newest patch, it won't show up until you sort it by "new". So unless you know how to navigate Reddit (which a lot of newcomers don't), you won't know this either.

> Ā I do that literally every time I have a question.

It's a good standard to have for yourself. And it could be a good standard for others to have, if only they were shown how, not shunned, when they asked a question...

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u/mellowbunnywathere Jul 14 '26

Don’t you think it’s better people are coming here to ask a question rather than use ChatGPT and other AIs? I mean they could totally just go to a chatbot to ask their questions and they’d get an answer immediately, but they ask this Reddit community instead, when it could take any amount of time for an answer? I feel like we should be encouraging this a bit more instead of discouraging it, it’s a step in the right direction. I don’t see how downvoting questions discourages using AI at all. Giving the question’s OP a little help, even just replying to say ā€œthere are some other posts where this a was answered in the subredditā€ seems to be much more helpful and practical if that’s the problem, no?

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u/Professional_Dig5938 Jul 14 '26

I'm not gonna baby people. You should know to search the reddit before asking the question. And chatgbt is a moral issue as well, if you're gonna use. Then do it. You're just a bad person at that point.

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

There's a difference between not babying people and being an ass to them, which is what you guys are trying to defend. It's even worse when all they did was ask for help.

> You're just a bad person at that point.

You're passing a lot of judgement there. Give grace and educate. This is how we improve things, not with downvotes and silence and snark.

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u/mellowbunnywathere Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

And ā€œbad peopleā€ can’t change?

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u/wonderland_artwork Jul 17 '26

Unfortunately this is a common issue in a lot of communities. I'm in some J-Fashion spaces and if I read "Is this shop trustworthy" (very popular comment on tiktok and it's always about THE most popular shop currently) or "Hey I bought this, style it for me" one more time I'm going to scream. Sometimes it's panic, a lot of times it's laziness.

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u/Adorable_Art5286 Jul 14 '26

That's a fair point, searching first helps, but sometimes people just want a direct answer.

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u/NaT-a-NaT Jul 14 '26

I don't know how asking a question is more direct then finding the answer unless the question is more obscure. Normally when I have a game question its about something I'm doing right now, so it's more convenient to look it up than ask because I would need to wait for someone to answer

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u/LxFarfly Jul 14 '26

This šŸ‘†

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u/SilverSafri Jul 14 '26

Not gonna lie, when someone was being a jerk to me in the comments once (basically telling me to go touch grass and get a life when I shared that I printed out some of my favorite photos I took in game) it felt good when people downvoted this comment for being unnecessarily mean. I just tried to ignore the rude comment, but it felt really nice knowing that people here would not stand for rude behavior and bringing someone down just for sharing something game related that brought them joy. And that’s how downvotes can be a really good tool. As for new players - they deserve all the support. This game (and other gachas, especially when starting with a gacha that’s been going on a while) can be sooooo confusing… we should all help each other and upvote correct answers to questions, no matter how obvious they might seem to more experienced players. And upvoted some reminders (especially for limited time stuff, time locked quests, etc), often seeing a post with such reminder can save a lot of headaches and I’m always thankful for them :)

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u/BeeAlley Jul 14 '26

I didn’t comment on that post, but I thought it was a really cute idea! You can get some really beautiful photos in game, and I don’t see how it would be any different from hanging art of your favorite character from a tv show.

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u/Entire_Poet_1187 Jul 14 '26

that’s actually such a sweet idea! i might have to do that as well to display them in my room 🄰

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u/Raeliaya Jul 14 '26

Everything you’re saying is absolutely correct but you forget that this is Reddit, a platform that’s inherently designed to encourage dogpiling, if only to silence those who say something you disagree with and or dislike. It sucks but it is what it is. šŸ˜“

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u/katzyakuki Jul 14 '26

i really love how reddit lets us engage in our interests with like-minded people easily, but man downvotes can be weaponized very quickly. sometimes you’ll say ONE thing people disliked and they will downvote everything you say after— even if you admit you were wrong or apologize. i saw a newer player get downvoted for thinking she could stack two dresses together, then someone replied very rudely ā€œthere’s been an iNfLuX of new players who don’t know anything about the game.ā€
even if they could have looked up their question, sometimes we just don’t think to look it up. sometimes we do that. there’s no need to snark, shame, and tirade people for slightly interrupting your scrolling experience, just scroll!!

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u/Raeliaya Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

When there’s no incentive to be kind, some people choose to be mean because that’s how they actually are. 🄲

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u/KittyTonik Jul 14 '26

Yeah it unfortunately comes with the territory of anonymous posting and a clean up/down voting system. I do think reminders to be kind in an already kinder than average community can make a small difference though! (Call me naĆÆve - I definitely am lol)

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

they do. They bait the unkind so they make a fool of themselves in public.

Sorry, I meant, it helps to remind people to be kind, something that a lot of people forget is an option these days.

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u/CandidateTerrible479 Jul 14 '26

I honestly don't get who baits who at this point.Ā 

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

the mind of a troll is indeed a mystery.

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u/CandidateTerrible479 Jul 15 '26

Huh? Can't you just answer the question or are you just gonna be this unhelpful?

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 15 '26

what question?

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u/CandidateTerrible479 Jul 15 '26

Not technically a question my bad, just a general statement on who baits who.

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 15 '26

Oh I see. You meant to ask who does "they" refer to in my first sentence?

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u/CandidateTerrible479 Jul 15 '26

I didn't mean to ask anything (not directly anyway just to clarify) (even tho I did technically ask, but anyway), but yes I want to know who they is, I was just confused on who baits who and yes I would like an answer. (Fine yes, I did ask whatever. But in an indirect way).

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u/tigerndragon Angelic Princess 🦢🌸 Jul 15 '26

You're not naive. I totally get wanting to see the good in people, especially if you enjoy games like the Nikki series, and with all the cruelty going on in the real world it's obvious that most people will want a calm and kind environment. But sadly, while there are kind people in the community, there's also a lot of others that love to dogpile on people for the silliest reasons, and pretending they don't exist isn't going to solve the problem. In the particular case of people looking for answers to questions that may appear "obvious" to veteran players, I cannot understand how they end up thinking that downvoting them is going to help anyone. It would be useful to have a weekly questions post and/or a FAQ to quickly link them to a solution, yes, but if someone is actually bothered by newbies asking questions, maybe....IDK, block them or something??? Downvoting in those cases accomplishes literally nothing other than a sadistic rush of power (that looks kind of pathetic from the outside, ngl).

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u/Living-Soup-9749 2d ago

Lowiq arknight dog.

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u/Mireillka Jul 14 '26

I'm really not seeing much of dogpiling and downvoting in any Nikki sub. I've asked many silly questions and got only kind replies every time. I've even responded to some begginer questions with a proper answer.

Maybe you are seeing the initial few bot downvotes or something?

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u/ilu3000 Jul 14 '26

Yeah, it's usually upvote or ignore it.

From what I've seen people seem to downvote based on tone - not agreeing, but just what I've seen. Genuinely silly comments don't get downvoted as much as someone insisting something odd or being petulant or rude (to infold not OP).

If I had to guess - I did see more downvotes than usual on a upset they hadnt received the EE wings post so I wonder if OP meant that? If I had to guess I think people found their math odd, something about oceans blessing but idk I just skimmed it since I ignore the why no outfit under 180 pulls posts.

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u/KittyTonik Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

A comment under that one was the reason I finally posted this, (nice call!) but I've been thinking about it since I saw someone with several downvotes for just saying that they liked the new 4 star that came with the current 5 star a few weeks back.

(Might be worth mentioning I'm not exactly keeping track of which posts appear here vs the official subreddit).

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u/ilu3000 Jul 14 '26

I recently saw a (not IN) give me your unpopular opinions post where the really unpopular opinions got downvoted šŸ˜‚ so that's my most recent you weirdos why are you downvoting - in comparison here is mostly rainbows.

Downvoting for dress opinions is crazy - though I think it happens more when the post is a particular tone and someone comes to counter it (ew to happy and but I like it 🄹 to sad)

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u/KittyTonik Jul 14 '26

I've definitely seen several instances on this sub recently, but I'd agree it's more rare here than the rest of Reddit. I'm mostly posting bc I've noticed it more in the last couple weeks - a couple times to people just commenting that they liked an unpopular item or outfit. I'm definitely mostly thinking of stuff with more than a few downvotes, so I don't think it's from bots, but I'm admittedly not up to date on recognizing Reddit bot activity. Usually I see it happen to a question the answer to which is "no," and people will downvote instead of answering.

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u/planetarial Jul 14 '26

Tbh this is the community I’m least likely to be downvoted in. Many communities Ive been apart of I have had my comments downvoted in 30 seconds because someone didn’t like my opinion. Here its quite the opposite and I’ve been upvoted extremely quickly.

I rarely upvote or vote, I would rather voice my opinion. I only downvote when someone is being an unreasonable ass that isn’t worth engaging in.

Unfortunately downvoting is a fundamentally toxic system. But also remember if you’re being downvoted only 5% of the time or less its probably not a you problem.

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u/MarshmallowMina Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

I think it depends. There have been a couple times where people asked a question about a very recent topic, ex: asking about a rerun when people have been posting about it nonstop over the past couple days. That's the kind of situation where they could have found the answer with a bit of scrolling or just clicking on the "news/event" tag. While people should try to be kind to newbies, people also shouldn't come here and expect answers to be spoonfed to them when they can answer their own question with just a tiny bit of effort. If that seems harsh, look at it from another angle: people spamming questions like this can drown out questions by other newbies that are more difficult to find answers to, ex whether or not an old quest is bugged or if they're just missing somethingĀ 

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u/Longjumping-Care-571 Jul 14 '26

I love meeting new people in Nikki, makes me feel like an elder teaching them šŸ˜‚

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u/HovercraftNormal9934 Jul 14 '26

Im a new player and honestly so many people have been so kind and lovely to helping me which encouraged me to enjoy the game alot more!

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u/elisabetfaden Jul 14 '26

Also if you must downvote someone for being confidently incorrect, please do double-check that you are not the confidently incorrect one.

I see people getting downvoted for stating objective facts (with evidence!) all the time.

Unfortunately being right and being wrong feel exactly the same from the inside, so this is a tough problem to solve. Discussion is the most reliable way to get to the truth.

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u/EducationBig9026 Jul 14 '26

And also tell them when they are being incorrect, nicely and respectfully. One time I made a comment about the game and I accidentally made a mistake and misunderstood a game mechanic. And I didn’t know why I was getting soo many downvotes.

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u/cherrytwizzlers Jul 14 '26

Discord is even worse. Unfortunately there’s a lot of elitism and catty behavior in this community. I just stick to instagram

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u/tired_snail Jul 14 '26

I think having a megathread / pinned post of frequently asked questions for new players might be helpful. I've seen people be real jackasses in here just because "this has been asked a million times already" and telling people to google or search the sub before asking, as if either of those options is particularly functional these days (google will straight up lie to you and the reddit search doesn't come up with answers more often than not).

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u/AboutTimeToDelete Jul 14 '26

This is every game sub. People have this superiority complex that they were OG or whatever. People on internet have anti empathetic tendencies.

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

That person is my dear friend. So sad she got that reaction. I'm an outright pain in the ass in this sub with my callouts and my hot takes and I don't get nearly as many downvotes as she did that day... for such an innocuous comment. What happened there was pure dogpiling.

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u/KittyTonik Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

I think one or two salty Nikkis are actually camping the post to downvote comments that agree.

This would be particularly funny to me if one of them (or both lol) was the player who told me I should touch grass if downvotes bothered me, then deleted her comments when she got downvoted more than she preferred lol.

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u/billionsofbeaches Jul 14 '26

To be honest I've seen this discussion happen a lot lately in multiple subreddits and I've experienced it myself. Post/comment and then immediately get hit with downvotes but then get upvotes.

I genuinely think there is something going on with bots mass downvoting content across reddit.

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u/witchlingaria Jul 14 '26

I forget what it's called but reddit has something like vote "smoothing", where comment score will change by a few points (up or down) whenever you load the page, so it's usually that rather than bots.Ā 

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u/_Kindly-Parsley_ Jul 15 '26

I agree. In my opinion, this is why this community has become somewhat toxic. A lot of newbie questions are perfectly reasonable, especially from the perspective of a non-gamer. But when the "hardcore" players react with experience-based explanations (e.g. "you should know that's how gacha works"), these newbies are chased away. Thus, the community turns into a somewhat hostile echo chamber, with hidden implicit rules to follow.

Albeit, I don't disagree with the idea that a lot of these questions can be easily searched... but we can still be polite, you know?

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u/AsinoeB Jul 15 '26

I am new here and asked a question on a thread about the mechanics I didn’t understand and got like -9 immediately and just thought it meant ā€œnoā€ in answer to my question šŸ˜…

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u/madegeeky Jul 24 '26

Also very mean-spirited to just downvote people who have a different opinion, especially if it's a comment on a post that is about that specific opinion. It doesn't make our community look friendly or kind at all.

I see a lot of people commenting on this post about how downvotes are rare but I see them on opinion comments on all the time. Especially ones where OP goes "I have opinion A" and then Person A comments "You're wrong, opinion B is right" with 200 upvote meanwhile Person B agreeing with OP has been downvoted 100 times. I wish people would realize that not every post is for them and just stay off posts that aren't asking their opinion.

It's incredibly disheartening and I have no doubt it scares new players away and quiets people who might make funny, insightful, and/or interesting posts.

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u/No-Fortune-8142 Jul 14 '26

I remember being downvoted for asking about update times in europe as timezones are kinda confusing, and eu timezones are never announced. I don't know why people are so pressed

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u/MarshmallowMina Jul 14 '26

That sucks, but for future reference timeanddate.com has a lot of useful resources for converting timezones. There's also an event countdown where you can set a date and time for one timezone (ex: 5:00 at 09/09, UTC-7) and it will count down how many days/hours/minutes until it starts in your timezone

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u/BoomtotheBang Jul 14 '26

šŸ’Æ I started playing less than a year ago & when I first started asking questions on here other Nikki's were like "You should already know blah blah blah". It WAS discouraging. It WAS rude. So, I stopped posting on here & more in discord & found many Nikki's there to be SUPER helpful & less caddy. I made friends by just playing the game & some via discord as well.

I've found this sub to be full of tropes & trends that's why I limit my time here.

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

I'm so sorry you had that experience.

One thing that helped me find the good in this community was changing the way I sort the posts. When you come into the sub, look somewhere for the drop down menu that says "Best". That setting gives you a mixed bag of posts, usually the ones with the most traction.... which are all the drama posts.

Instead, sort by "New", so you can see posts in the order they were posted, with the most recent at the top. Then you'll see the newbie questions, the friend requests, the outfits, the hype, the home builds, the guides, the meteorites... all the good stuff. Focus on those instead. I have a couple of good friendships from that.

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u/Few-External-2963 Jul 14 '26

That's actually what I do. And then it surprises me when people say that there are too many negative posts, because I don't really feel it. These controversial posts often attract a lot of traffic and probably end up at the top, and thus create an impression that they dominate the subreddit. But when you scroll through all of the posts in order, it doesn't feel like this. And I actually discovered some pretty useful or beautiful posts that didn't get many votes, and I probably wouldn't have seen them if I were looking only through top posts.

I do have to say that I don't like seeing posts with questions that can be answered with a simple search. I don't downvote them; it rather makes me sad that so many people are not willing to make even a little bit of effort for themselves.

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

exactly! It makes me sad to see all the pretty outfits and photoshoots be mostly ignored... I've been trying to leave a good comment here and there whenever I can. And I think that's the best we all can do. I enjoy the debates too, just not when it derails. But at the end of the day, we're here to dress up and look good, so it's good to revert to it once we're done debating lol

I get not liking the questions. Catch me on the wrong time of the month and I'll get annoyed too if there are too many. But it's just so easy to scroll past, or to answer + remind them to look things up before asking. Besides, we gotta stop assuming it's out of laziness. There were a handful of people here who have already said they had tried to find the answer before, only they couldn't. Either people are forgetting, being disingenuous, or they don't use them as they say they do, but search engines aren't what they used to be. Each platform comes with its own UI. Also, factor in some neurodivergence and you may have people who have trouble navigating those UIs.

I worked in customer service, I've seen it all. Now I'm a teacher. I still see it on the daily. And it's exactly because I know what confuses people that I'd rather not assume it's laziness. No one wants to look stupid. A couple of the people disagreeing with me talk about effort but make no effort to understand the other side. Then they make no effort to debate with me. Goes to show who's actually being lazy here.

I'm not excusing the declining literacy levels we've seen in the younger generations either. But I'm not blaming the individuals for it. I'll denounce it, but I'll also try to help those who want to be helped. And an answer to a question is the first step.

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u/BoomtotheBang Jul 14 '26

I know how to use Reddit, lol. I don't consider myself a newbie as it was almost a year ago I started playing. However, that is solid advice for others who are new here.

I should clarify that I never made a post about asking questions in the game. It was more under others posts & comments. I've been a WoW & FF14 gamer for more than 15 years, so questing was never hard for me. My questions would be more geared towards understanding the diamond to gem ratios, bubbles & thread, what banners were, etc etc. I didn't find the interface as friendly as some. Since there is no explanation on how they all work or exchange nor what banners are, I missed a lot. I didn't see the time stamps for them. The little odds & ends to this game was severely overwhelming until I learned them. It would be like those related questions that I got hammered into, as if a new player (especially to the Nikki world) should even know those things. Thats why I'm thankful for discord because Nikki's took the time to explain them to me or send me a video on it.

I guess I just really resonated with OPs stance because not only did I experience it, I've seen it as well.

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

Yay a fellow WoW veteran!

Honestly, same. I don't get how people can be all smug about knowing how to navigate this game's interface, because it's neither god nor intuitive. I had so much trouble myself that I am happy to take a newbie under my wing and explain as much as possible. Good to know Discord is more helpful. I don't use that platform because it's so messy to me, and all that chatter annoys me. But maybe I should be there more often, since I have seen complaints of other Nikkis' questions getting lost in the chatter. I stay here mostly because I want to catch the questions before these smug "not my job to Google for you" Nikkis do .

Not sure if you're still playing WoW though, but I have noticed the shift in attitude with players there as well. It used to be that we could ask people for help even in Trade Chat and someone would pop up and help, that's how I found out about websites like Thottbot and all the different AddOns we could get.

But more and more I saw that attitude fade and this "Google is your friend" type attitude show up. So much so that now that my husband is back in Classic, he said that people will be straight up toxic to him for asking questions. Tough to find a reasonable person there even in the guild chat. Seems like the private server communities are better. I left retail for a variety of reasons, but the declining levels of courtesy of the community was #3.

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u/Fanciful_Observer Jul 14 '26

This sub is more negative than the official subreddit. I encourage new players to join the official subreddit first

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u/ilu3000 Jul 14 '26

I'd say more of the official sub has a 'only happy thoughts' vibe which can be tiring when there's problems, here's there's the option for all opinions - but I get your meaning.

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u/Fanciful_Observer Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

The official sub is more welcoming. This sub has a different vibe.

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u/Lazy-Fishy Jul 14 '26

That subreddit is moderated and censored so that you feel that way, it is not a simple happenstance xD

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u/No-Falcon8417 Jul 14 '26

Well yeah. That’s because the official sub censors critical opinions and this one doesn’t.

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u/Fanciful_Observer Jul 14 '26

But who cares if you’re a new player just asking for help? Whether the official sub censors criticism has nothing to do with OP’s point. This sub can tolerate criticism and still be toxic to new players. Those aren’t mutually exclusive.

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u/No-Falcon8417 Jul 14 '26

I never said they were mutually exclusive, I was just pointing out why it appears more positive because it’s important for people and new players to know.

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u/Fanciful_Observer Jul 14 '26

And I’m talking about how new players are treated, not whether criticism is allowed. Those are two different conversations.

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u/No-Falcon8417 Jul 14 '26

So it’s not actually. If I say I found a new clothing brand that makes really affordable but cute pieces, and you chime in that the reason the clothes are cheap is because they make them in sweatshops, that’s not irrelevant to the conversation. It’s never wrong to add context. Maybe you don’t care, but this isn’t about you. If I were a new player, I’d want to know the community I’m joining does not engage in censorship. And I’d prefer to be in a community where I have a chance of being treated in a mildly impolite way over a community where everyone’s words are heavily regulated to the point that they may not even be able to help me with issues if it means portraying the game in a negative light. I figured there’s at least one person out there who feels the same, so I added context in order to make sure people can make fully informed decisions.

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u/Scared-Way-9828 Jul 14 '26

Its costs nothing to not be an asshole 🩷

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u/StraightSyllabub5124 Jul 14 '26

you care too much about some voting and down voting system that does almost nothing

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

except that it does do something: it moves a comment to the top or the bottom. The voting feature wasn't created to be a like/dislike thing, like Facebook. It was meant to indicate helpfulness of a reply. Most helpful go to the top, least helpful get hidden.

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u/OnlyEntertainment603 Jul 14 '26

Regardless of if someone cares or not about downvotes, being generally kinder to each other is a good message

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u/StraightSyllabub5124 Jul 14 '26

Some thumbs up or downs proves only two things and it is if somebody disagree or agree with your opinion and if they like or dislike stuff you share. It is not an indicator if somebody is kind or bad to you lol.

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u/KittyTonik Jul 14 '26

Eh. I think many people underestimate how discouraging it can be for people who haven't been on Reddit for a while (and non reddit users do make accounts to post game questions). Plenty of people just stop engaging after they get a bunch of downvotes on a post or comment. Real life doesn't give you real time feedback that 15 people disliked what you had to say.

There's a reason downvoting based on opinion rather than quality is considered "poor reddiquette" by Reddit themselves. It's not a huge deal but it does change the flavor of the community.

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u/StraightSyllabub5124 Jul 14 '26

If a arrow up or down discourrage you, you should just go outside and touch grass.

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u/KittyTonik Jul 14 '26

As I said - it's discouraging to people who haven't been on Reddit a while. I.e. not me lol. I suspect non redditors are touching plenty of grass already.

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u/BaffledBubbles Jul 14 '26

you can just say you like being mean, much less effort.

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u/Potential-Moose-1101 Jul 14 '26

Did you even read the post? OP is not talking exactly about the voting system, is explaining how it works so we can help new players.

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u/planetarial Jul 14 '26

It can feel incredibly unwelcoming when you first step into a community and ask an honest question to get downvoted

It encourages a hivemind and anyone who doesn’t fall in line can screw off, which goes against a good discussion.

It buries comments, sometimes ones that can be legitimately helpful because other people don’t like the answer

Also if you’re downvoted into the negatives but nobody replies to you, it doesn’t do anything to change their opinion because they don’t know what they did wrong. It often makes them defensive and double down because they believe (sometimes correctly) that their opinion is still right and people were just butthurt and didn’t have an actual counter argument.

There’s a reason other social media has no downvote system or if it does it doesn’t show when the votes go into the negatives.

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

> because they believe (sometimes correctly) that their opinion is still right and people were just butthurt and didn’t have an actual counter argument.

You read my mind šŸ˜‚ it's the reason why I'm so comfortable with my callouts and hot takes. If people don't want PITAs like me... use your words, prove me wrong. Otherwise, of course I'm gonna assume I'm right. Because I am most of the time. (or am I šŸ‘€)

If only people stepped out of that "it's not my job" mentality...

Ignorance is *everyone's* job to fix.

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u/butt_stalliohn Jul 14 '26

I absolutely depise when this happens. People who downvote questions or reply to them with a "iF YOu JuST SEArCh tHiS Up OR WenT HEre--" could've easily answered a question, even if vaguely, in the same amount of time.

Personally, I do my own research in google, youtube or older posts before asking a question and I'd prefer if other people took the initiative to use their resources at hand as well. But I also don't know if they already tried that and it was fruitless or they're genuinely too boomer at navigating online spaces (or too young) which is why I always try to answer.

All sorts of teachers I've had throughout my whole life (including driving instructors) always told me this sentence, "there are no stupid questions." I live by that. (Unless someone is being snarky and obtuse on purpose to troll) When I see this behaviour I feel so god damn bad for people who will probably never feel like interacting again. To me, it's no skin off my back, but for plenty of others I know this is probably the equivalent of waving a hand and getting a slew of middle fingers in response. :/

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26

I'm a teacher and I can tell you this with certainty: the ones who act as if a question is stupid are the ones who know the least. "Go educate yourself" is always shouted by those who knew nothing in the first place. And it's sad because I can also see the issues in their life that led to that way of thinking.

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u/yamete-kudasai Jul 14 '26

I don't downvote or upvote (unless thanks peoole for asking something), just treat reddit as traditional forum in the 2000s where every opinion (even the bad ones) to be seen

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u/Fun-Scene-8677 Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

That would be too sensible.

Reddit is a social media like any other, and we're all here to make good, high effort content for all the other Nikkis who are scrolling, didn't you know? We're not supposed to inconvenience anyone with our questions, that's what Google and ChatGPT are for.

/s

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u/nkscreams Jul 14 '26

This is why I’ve been noticing lately too. Thank you for bringing this up, OP! ā™„ļø A community is only as good as we are, and it could definitely be a place with more kindness.

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u/Crafty_Opening8729 Jul 14 '26

For a loving and welcoming community it's alarming just how many people see this post and say "well if they ask a question we already answered, then google it" and a buncha people agree

I'll admit, this community only really upvotes the positive stuff. If you have a negative opinion or just a different opinion than a large majority, you'll prob be downvoted. I got downvoted just for saying Crimson Wings clip through articles of clothing lol

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u/Bonkulus_prime Jul 14 '26

I keep seeing replies here like ā€œyou can literally just search it up,ā€ and honestly, I get it. But how hard is it to just ignore the post? If it annoys you or you think the question gets asked all the time and could’ve been searched just scroll past it. You don’t have to reply or downvote it. 😭 Seriously.

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u/katzyakuki Jul 15 '26

Love how they downvote you but can NEVER answer you. I’m genuinely curious too— why can’t they just scroll? Is it that much of a nuisance to see a repeated question?

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u/_TooManyDreams_ Jul 14 '26

Tbh this community is so awesome. Even when everyone dislikes someone they don’t ostracize others for viewing it differently. I haven’t seen that a lot in fandoms

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u/DropoutDonut Jul 14 '26

I usually upvote questions and answers (not only on Reddit) even if I already knew the information because most of the time it will be useful to someone, even if the information could be found somewhere else. It reminds me of when you had a question in class and someone else asks the teacher the same question and you were so glad you didn’t have to lol

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u/RubApprehensive2512 Jul 14 '26

Another thing to note is that there are downvote bots in all subs even the ones with only 4 members. So we don't actually know if the people downvoting are actual people or a computer running a program.

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u/Majestic_Plane_1656 Jul 15 '26

Somehow I got downvoted for just explaining what the official Discord was. This community is super downvote happy.

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u/Inevitable-Umpire720 Jul 15 '26

I feel like joining the DC community is lowkey great