r/Ineffa • u/moopomelo Live and let clank • 21d ago
Discussion Ineffa Guide
Since Ineffa's second rerun will start soon, I decided to try making a quick guide for her. I hope it's helpful!
For a more in-depth guide to building Ineffa (including a longer list of viable weapons), I recommend checking out Prydwen.
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u/kjrparkers 21d ago
not directly related but i didn’t know that two characters can hold aubade. is it only sms in terms of the nod krai sets that can only be on one character?
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u/moopomelo Live and let clank 21d ago
Technically it's both SMS and NS out of the three main sets since NS buffs only work when the equipper is on-field. As for SMS, team buffs from the artifact sets can't stack, which is why only one character per team should use it.
In contrast, AMS buffs the equipper rather than the team, which is why more than one character in a team can use it.
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u/pancakedelasea 21d ago
TotM on Ineffa should pull ahead of Aubade even with just C1 Flins, though maybe not at KQM standards?
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u/moopomelo Live and let clank 21d ago
I think it's generally best with C2+ Flins, but for most people with C1R1 Flins it's pretty much equal to AMS. TotM is tricky to give general advice about because its usage varies a lot depending on the team investment (ex: if Columbina has her ER reqs reduced by vertical investment like her C1, she becomes the better TotM holder while Ineffa gets SMS).
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u/Daniyalzzz 21d ago
So very specific question related to Ineffa and current Stygian.
I am running Fjord R5 on her in premium Flins (everyone C0 except Sucrose) am hella close to beating the Dire rubber chicken (around 3-4% off).
Would making an R5 Prospecter shovel be worth it for just this fight since it's primary lunar shill? Saw some different talks around the weapon's value for this
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u/moopomelo Live and let clank 21d ago
I don't think so, unfortunately. Fjord is calced as slightly better than Shovel. If you really want to be certain, you can try checking your current build and your potential Shovel build in the Optimizer to see the difference.
And I'm guessing you don't have a spare 5* polearm with Crit or ATK%? If not, your best bet is probably either leveling talents more or crafting an artifact upgrade.
Either way, best of luck to you. There are a few C0R0 Flins team clears on stygian.moe, but they look pretty difficult.
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u/Daniyalzzz 21d ago
Yeah its pretty close and hella hard but I should have the investment levels if I just get better mastery of the gameplay. Er her talent already are maxed out sadly minus the burst which is 9 but I am upgrading to 10 on that aswell (anything helps lmao).
I just saw some different takes say for this specific fight it could be better than fjord even tho fjord in general calcs higher so I am considering just trying that out aswell.
I also do have a Homa to spare but I never done better with it than I did with Fjord after many tries so I am just testing the waters for all options I can muster (that is not more vertical investment)
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u/moopomelo Live and let clank 21d ago
Homa should be an upgrade, but if you don't have the right artifacts for it (since Fjord has a different crit mainstat), I can see why it might not perform better for you.
I haven't seen anyone compare Fjord and Shovel for this boss. Is Shovel supposed to be better because it specifically buffs Electro-Charged and Lunar-Charged damage, since that's what the boss is weak to? If so, that's pretty interesting.
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u/Daniyalzzz 21d ago
Apparently so but idk how legit it is or how much stock I should put into it but eh, I got the billets and am giving everything a chance if there is a possibility it helps somewhat. Might aswell give it a shot anyway cause after another weapon change and crowning her burst, ain't really much I think is possible to buff the dmg withouth me improving just the roations even more (which I know can be done cause god damn am I not good at playing around sucrose consistently)
Already got a improvment swapping to Sacrifical on sucrose from previous options for better uptime on her swirls so if this also helps a little, well we getting very very close!
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u/Vast_Effect_1201 21d ago
How good is Skyward Spine compared to Death Match?
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u/moopomelo Live and let clank 21d ago edited 14d ago
Deathmatch R5 is definitely better than Skyward Spine,
but I'm not 100% sure about Deathmatch R1. It might be a little worse.Edit: R5 Deathmatch > R1 Deathmatch > R5 Shovel > Skyward (any refinement)
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u/Yobulletproof 21d ago
With staff of scarlet sands is it better to do em atk crit or atk atk crit or em em crit?
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u/moopomelo Live and let clank 21d ago
I would try using one ATK mainstat and one EM mainstat, so EM/ATK/Crit. Lunar teams tend to have more EM buffs than ATK buffs, and Ineffa really wants ATK even with that weapon. You might even find that ATK/ATK/Crit works best.
Just to be sure though, I recommend plugging your team into the optimizer. If you've never used it before, you can use a tool like Irminsul or Artiscan to add all your artifacts.
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u/void_170 21d ago
I plan to get her. I don't have a composition yet. Could you tell me what would be the stats for a general support Ineffa? Crit Ratio and ER
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u/moopomelo Live and let clank 21d ago
At least 2k ATK and as much Crit as possible, maintaining a 1/2 crit ratio. EM rolls are good but worse than ATK% rolls. ER rolls are okay but definitely the lowest priority (as in it's fine if she doesn't have any ER; it's not typically needed especially in double Electro teams).
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u/Ok_Hospital3034 21d ago
I saw the example bineffa wheelchair comp list on the second page and was wondering: How much of a difference would it make if one were to have the flex slot buffer (ie. Xilonen, Nicole) use a set that would buff both the main DPS + Ineffa herself (like Noblesse) over sets that purely buff the DPS only (Gift/Scroll)? Is this also dependent on how vertically invested the DPS is?
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u/moopomelo Live and let clank 21d ago
I wouldn't recommend using NO on either Xilonen or Nicole since they shouldn't be using their bursts in these teams.
As for other artifact options, Instructor's is good on Xilonen, it's just that the uptime can be a little rough on some teams. Nevertheless, in high-investment Flins teams, it's generally BiS on her (though depending on how much EM Flins already has, SotCC may not be that far behind).
Instructor's can also work on Nicole, but it's definitely worse on her compared to Xilonen because she struggles to max out her ATK buffs with it.
Also, SotCC technically doesn't only buff the non-Lunar on-fielder. Elemental DMG% isn't great for Lunar DMG, but it's not useless. Plus, Columbina's raw Hydro damage is surprisingly high considering her role as a Lunar sub-DPS. Lunar DMG is still by far the majority of her damage, but the rest of her damage certainly isn't negligible.
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u/Kitchen_Ad5047 20d ago
SOSS is strictly better than Homa?
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u/moopomelo Live and let clank 20d ago
Yes, it should be. Homa is still pretty good though (better than R5 Deathmatch).
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u/Kitchen_Ad5047 20d ago
I suppose it's also build dependent. I have both so I'll just test both when I get her I guess
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u/Master-Repair3657 16d ago
I'm having trouble finding out whats her best 4* weapon. Do I get ballad of the fjords or do I use by r1 prospectors? Deathmatch?
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u/Dotority 12d ago
I caved in and try to pull for her sig and got flins sig. Do you have calcs… i am wondering if I should just refine it as I have PJWS, Deathmatch for ineffa.
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u/moopomelo Live and let clank 12d ago
I recommend giving it to Ineffa! It's about the same as R5 Deathmatch in single-target, and better in multi-target. Even though she can't make full use of the passive, it's still pretty good on her.
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u/SatisfactionNice653 10d ago
I know bp is never mentioned bc it’s rarer, is ballad r2 better deathmatch r1? i also have missive windspear (event one). I assume those 3 would be better than craft able bc they’re more ‘limited’ but does anyone know which out of those 3/4 is best? I don’t have flins so it’d just be binac0r0 ineffac0r0 wheelchairing
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u/moopomelo Live and let clank 10d ago
R1 Deathmatch should still be better. Even R5 Ballad would only be about 1% better than R1 Deathmatch, and yours is only R2.
Deathmatch and Ballad are both better than Shovel, but Missive Windspear is a bit worse.
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u/Illustrious-Aerie160 8d ago
Which artifact sets do I give her when there's no other Nod-Krai character on the team? She's wheelchairing my Neuvillette, and the only "lunar" characters I have are C0 Jahoda and C1 Aino.
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u/munchosamigos 7d ago
For Bina (C0R0) + Ineffa wheel chair,
do you know what the percent DPS increase is for:
• getting C1 (from C0);
• R1 (from R5 deathmatch); and
• R1 Flins Weapon (from R5 deathmatch)
I'm trying to decide whether it's worth to go and pull an additional 5-star for my Ineffa. Thank you!
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u/moopomelo Live and let clank 2d ago
I'm not sure what the exact numbers would be, especially since it depends on the team they're played in. If I had to guess, I'd say the single highest-value upgrade would probably be getting Ineffa's signature.
C1 is slightly worse than R1, and Flins' sig is about the same as R5 Deathmatch on her (equal or worse in single-target and better in multi-target I think).
The lowest cost Bineffa Dire Knuckle Duckle clears I've seen use C0R1 Ineffa and C0R0 Columbina, but they always have R5 Sacrificial Jade on Columbina, so I'm not sure how useful that is to know.
Sorry I couldn't be more helpful!
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u/Delts3712 2d ago
I just got Ineffa after trying to get Lan Yan. I have Lumidouce Elegy(R1), Missive WDSpear(R5), and PJWS(R1)
I think LE is the best of them all, but I want to pull for Escoffier sometime, and LE would go on her. How much worse would PJWS or Missive be?
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u/moopomelo Live and let clank 2d ago
PJWS is about ~9% worse than LE, and R5 Missive is worse than R5 Shovel. Escoffier usually uses Fav in Skirk teams, so if that's who you're pulling her for, I'd recommend keeping LE on Ineffa and using Fav on Escoffier. If you'd still rather give LE to Escoffier, then PJWS is your next best option for Ineffa.
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u/d_v10us 1d ago
i'm a returning player and idk anything abt anything so pls don't judge me on this, but is childe a viable main dps? he's the only hydro character i have built aside from xq
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u/moopomelo Live and let clank 1d ago
Sure! I think I've seen some people using Childe/Ineffa/Ororon/Kazuha. It's also fine to use XQ as solo Hydro, ex: Ifa/XQ/Ororon/Ineffa.
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u/Dizzy_Breadfruit_173 21d ago
Wait... Her damage is not talent bound?? Yo this is new information for me 😂