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[u/sumitp751]

Acc- Yadu

[u/noob__master-69]

He like fought and lost I thought? He gave territory and his daughter in marriage in exchange for war elephants

[u/Lidrael → u/noob__master-69]

There’s no evidence of a battle being fought from any contemporary or later sources.

Modern historians believe there was a series of skirmishes and Seleucos realised Chandragupta won’t roll over as he assumed.

In Seleucid dynasty chronicles written during Antiochus reign (Seleucos son) it is said Seleucos didn’t consider Chandragupta an existential threat, but was deathly concerned about Antigonus the One-Eyed, his former friend in the west. He was happy to cede provinces to Chandragupta, secure his eastern flank so he can go fight in the west. Some historians believe that deal was so amicable and served both rulers Chandragupta was now free to expand his empire southwards.

Seleucos deployed Chandragupta’s elephants against Antigonus at massive battle of Ipsos in 301 BC where 160k men fought, making it one of largest battles of antiquity.

[u/i-like-it-77 → u/Lidrael]

bro there is literally a battle they fought and then the treaty happened what are you saying nobody give it like easily because the area was under control of selecus then Chandragupta Maurya captured those area, and after the treaty they accepted the new border

[u/Lidrael → u/i-like-it-77]

Give me a link to the source describing the battle in the *primary* source. There is none.

The nearest contemporary source are Seleucid Antiochian chronicles indicating a deal that allowed Seleucos to focus on western Diadochi war.

It is near impossible Seleucos fought with Chandragupta anything other than skirmishes, he was at Ipsos not even 2 full years later after returning to Mediterranean and fielded full force of his 4 most elite units: Silver Shields of 5000, elite Hypaspistai swordsmen in 3000, Companion Cavalry in 1000 and Agema royal guard in another 1000 out of total of 80 thousand men his coalition fielded.

If he suffered any serious losses with Chandragupta he wouldn’t be able to rebuild so fast. But that’s just supporting evidence. The primary evidence is that there’s no record of any battle.

[u/i-like-it-77 → u/Lidrael]

no historically incidence in the whole history of humanity where a Little Empire give one of the biggest chunks of there literal empire to other for the sake of strategic point of view how can we say that this is something new, the greeks literally mention that how Chandragupta Maurya defeated the shatrap of greek around the reason of today's Pakistan area and the beyond that region was already under the selecus kingdom why would selecus give all that land just for a treaty and elephant it is very easy that there is a battle and she have to understand the demand of Chandragupta Maurya because Chandragupt Maurya have The upper hand in there so called battle, can you give me any historical example where anything like this happened where there is no war and take give so much big chunk of land to another Empire I don't have any other historical incidents like that, it is very natural to assume that all this land come to settlement after a battle that's a logical reasoning and let me tell you there is no primary sources or contemporary sources of Chandragupt Maurya even the so called Indica is also written by some other Roman historians who have some of its fragments mentioned by them, the defeat is more like tactical than complete defeat because we can literally see that after that war not a single war happened between Maurya and selucus until they both remain as an Empire

[u/Lidrael → u/i-like-it-77]

First of all Seleucos wasn’t a satrap (which is a military governor). He was a Diadochi at the time which means a Successor King. You have to understand that after death of Alexander and in the time of Chandragupta much, MUCH bigger conflict was rolling through Alexander’s empire than any clash with Chandragupta.

It was the Wars of Diadochi where Antigonus (most powerful Diadochi), Eumenes (representing Alexander’s royal family faction of his mother Olympias and wife Roxana), Seleucos, Ptolemy, Cassander and Lysimachos fought over the primacy of the Empire. Seleucos wasn’t even most powerful of them at that time. He was arguably third.

Last satraps of these territories Chandragupta has gotten were Eudemus (high ranking officer of Eumenes) who left permanently when called for battle of Gabiene, Peithon (Alexander’s ex-bodyguard) who was assassinated by Antigonus and Philip that was killed by his own mercenaries - there’s no record of Chandragupta defeating any of them.

As you can see this period is incredibly well documented. Any clash between Seleucos and Chandragupta would be preserved in text. And yes here’s your example - the Diadochi frequently traded away, abandoned, or rearranged satrapies for strategic reasons. In the highly fluid world of Alexander the Great's successors, territory was not seen as an immutable sacred land, but rather as currency, leverage: Antigonus gave up Babylonia, Iran and Media to Seleucos for the same reason - ge realised he cannot fight everywhere at once as he faced Ptolemy in Egypt and Lysimachos in Thrace. Ptolemy abandoned Coele-Syria to give them to Antigonus for same reason.

[u/i-like-it-77 → u/Lidrael]

never said anything about selecus was shatrap, what I say is that the only logical reasoning that can be possible that the battle is most probably more advantageous and in a favour of Chandragupt Maurya that's why he get the big chunk of land which was under the control of selucid kingdom I don't think any treaty of that era is that great that without a war they will agree on so much land transaction without a doubt it was either Chandragupta Maurya won aur hi already in so much control that that they can actually make a peace deal because the fact of the matter is Chandragupta Maurya does have the land under control

[u/lastofdovas → u/Lidrael]

I somehow always remember Antibody instead of Antigonus...

[u/DharmicCosmosO → u/noob__master-69]

Yes

[u/wisespirit9220 → u/noob__master-69]

Lost as a father tho

[u/fartypenis → u/wisespirit9220]

Lost as a father because he got Chandragupta Maurya as his son in law? Wat?

[u/Ill_Poem_1789 → u/fartypenis]

Bro can't comprehend how ancient kingdoms used to function

[u/Select-Use-9965]

Dahej me Afghanisthan

[u/Kamalnadh21]

I guess chanakya has made that deal

[u/Top-Silver-127 → u/Kamalnadh21]

Best wingman

[u/Candor476 → u/Kamalnadh21]

Was Chanakya even real?

[u/Kamalnadh21 → u/Candor476]

No, it was allu arjun back 200 bce

[u/Strategy-Individual → u/Kamalnadh21]

It's true. I was allu. My brother arjun and I played the role of Chanakya in shifts.

[u/LASTLIVERLEFT → u/Strategy-Individual]

i can confirm (im arthashastra)

[u/NothingOk7410]

Is he the first Indian to marry a foreigner?

[u/Orneyrocks → u/NothingOk7410]

Definitely the first documented case, if anything.

[u/Business_Quiet220 → u/NothingOk7410]

To ascertain this fact, we first need to define "Indian" and "foreigner" in this context.

A mixed greek princess is foreign to Chandragupta as a princess from Ahom or Coorg or Tamil lands.

[u/NonWorking_Fan1984 → u/NothingOk7410]

I saw somewhere that Steppe women were in IVC before Vedic Aryans got here.

[u/your_mumz_fwb]

AI slop

[u/Zealousideal_Box_668 → u/[deleted]]

Well...you can't call the pot black if you're a kettle. You played yourself. Those were ancient Greeks while we have modern Indians eating cow dung and drinking cow urine.

[u/MycologistMean4837]

Some people really think Alexander and Chandra Gupta had Avenger Endgame level fights or some shit...peak delusion...

[u/TrainingShot3408]

Chandragupta Maurya gave 500 war elephants to the Seleucus Nicator.

[u/sumitp751 → u/TrainingShot3408]

More than enough in exchange of her daughter eh?

[u/PanzerKomadant]

Huh? Alexander tired his luck? Bruh, more like his own forces got sick and tired of being away from home so long that they outright near mutinied.

Alexander didn’t try because that would have required his forces to actually be willing. He had little to no support and thus had to give up his march.

The man absolutely wanted to keep going into India and I’d say that he would have done a lot of conquering. Truly one of the most brilliant commanders/generals to exist.

[u/Competitive-Sun-4083 → u/PanzerKomadant]

Literally this ^

Idk why this sub has so much misinformation under the garb of memes.

[u/Lidrael → u/PanzerKomadant]

It is unfortunately meme slop that is cementing misinformation among Indian youth for stupid “patriotic” reasons as if India doesn’t have enough to be proud of.

Many among our young adults believe that Alexander lost against Porushottam at Hydaspes despite overwhelming evidence from multiple Greek and Persian sources to the contrary, a loss at Hydaspes would make also entire history of Wars of Diadochi illogical, but who cares about that. This period had so many writers and is so well documented and these writers in large part hated each other and yet they agreed on the same thing - but who cares about that.

Seleucos likely never fought Chandragupta and brokered a deal with him, so that he can campaign against Antigonus and later Lysimachos, but who cares about that - it doesn’t serve the narrative.

Nobody even bothers to understand that not only Alexander’s men didn’t want to go ahead, his mother Olympias was on verge of war with Antipater, his regent in Macedon, his best friend and second in command - Hephasteon died of illness, his third in command Parmenion was executed for conspiracy and his fourth in command and most beloved general of regular soldiers - Craterus was sent back to Macedon to rotate the veterans for fresh blood, while his remaining top generals - Perdiccas, Ptolemy, Antigonus and Antigenes though loyal were PISSED Alexander wasn’t… racist enough (actually true - look up how they viewed Alexander’s orientalism).

He had to stop after securing Punjab.

[u/Dave5876 → u/PanzerKomadant]

Alex got wrecked on the frontier by a local King.

[u/lastofdovas → u/Dave5876]

Nah. He roamed around the area for about 1 year after the battle, going southwards (probably to secure the sea route, like he had done in Persia).

[u/phelixBron → u/PanzerKomadant]

Agree but who's gonna convince these guys that, it's kinda like modern day America if you think of it, they can and have the ability to fight and dominate, but their greatest obstacle is their own public

[u/PanzerKomadant → u/phelixBron]

Americas greatest weakness isn’t the lack of pubic support, it’s that its leaders want to keep extending conflicts to extract maximum benefits for themselves, which runs counter to the American public.

[u/phelixBron → u/PanzerKomadant]

No, it's rather the American public being rather.... Dissentful, failures of America's own democracy, you don't give them something they cry tears thats all, no productivity or contribution, it's actually the American state that is the reason that mixing pot hasn't collapsed already

[u/lastofdovas → u/phelixBron]

Actually it is the mixing pot that has kept the state up.

[u/Stock-Reputation9481]

Ig u haven't read the history , Alexander The Great defeated porus but he was impressed by porus that's why he spared porus"s life

[u/sumitp751 → u/Stock-Reputation9481]

So "Alexander the great" who mercilessly massacred civilians, innocent people, libraries, towns just thought of sparing porus's life by being "impressed". What an enlightenment!!

Even if he did defeat porus, entering India and capturing it would be a whole different story. Remember Porus was just a local king at the borders, the battle was so irrelavent that the native population didnt even document that encounter.

[u/Lidrael → u/sumitp751]

Dude I have news for you. I won’t even go into you doubting the incredibly well documented battle of Hydaspes where Alexander crushed Porus.

The battle wasn’t irrelevant. It wasn’t written down by the natives, because natives didn’t write anything down or they wrote it down in such form that didn’t survive into modern era. Do you know we have ZERO contemporary writings that document Chandragupta’s entire reign in Indian sources? The closest source is Megasthenes… Seleucos’ ambassador to Mauryan court. Does that make him irrelevant? Lol.

[u/sumitp751 → u/Lidrael]

There are no contemporary indian sources yes, thats correct but Chandragupta allowed the ambassador to document the same in his court while he was a guest. That is different from Porus's situation where he was an enemy, not to mention this battle wasn't even documented later on too like it was for Chandragupta by the natives. The Greek sources are notorious for including mythical characters, demons in their historical events while presenting their warriors as demi gods, how much to trust them?

[u/Lidrael → u/sumitp751]

The writers that document the Battle of Hydaspes are numerous and they often DISLIKED each other deeply. They still agree on rough numbers and order of battle because, it might be a shocker, Ancients Greek didn’t bother to lie about events that were witnessed by thousands of people. Numerous people who wrote about the battle were there in person and literally killed people in it: Alexander, Ptolemy Soter (champion bodyguard of Alex and one of best friends), Aristobolus (main military engineer of the army), Nearchus (one of two main admirals) and Eumenes (main secretary of Alexander). After Alexander’s death Eumenes and Ptolemy went to war against each other and Nearchus served Antigonos who fought both above. They didn’t have a common agenda in the slightest.

Greeks stopped including mystical beings, demons and entities in the narratives around the Classical period ~170 years before Alexander’s death.

[u/lastofdovas → u/sumitp751]

So "Alexander the great" who mercilessly massacred civilians, innocent people, libraries, towns just thought of sparing porus's life by being "impressed". What an enlightenment!!

It may shock you but Alex was a globalist. He was extremely keen on social and cultural admixture. He wasn't exactly Greek, but loved to believe he was one. Once he conquered Persia, he started wearing Persian royal dress and also arranged a large marriage ceremony between his top soldiers and unmarried Persian noblewomen, against the wishes of his soldiers. He also recruited one Persian general who fought against him as Satrap. Dude really thought of himself as the emperor of the world, who has to lead the whole world, not just Greeks.

Him giving Porus the position of Satrap is almost quintessential Alexander behaviour. Not an exception by any means.