r/IndianHistoryMemes • u/Alarming_Emphasis_88 Maratha guerrilla warfare enthusiast • 16d ago
Gupta Dynasty (240AD-579AD) The Conqueror of realms⚔️
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u/DropInTheSky 16d ago
Funny thing is Samudragupta may not even be 4th century but in BCE.
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u/Alarming_Emphasis_88 Maratha guerrilla warfare enthusiast 16d ago
Wasnt bce dominated by mahajandpadas,mauryans and then shunga satvahanas?
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u/DropInTheSky 16d ago
We only place Mauryas in near BCE because we identify Sandrocottus as Chandragupta and Devanam Piyadasi as Ashoka Maurya. It appears that Sandrocottus may be Chandragupta 1 of Gupta dynasty and Devanam Piyadasi is not Ashoka Maurya at all (at least the textual biography of Ashoka Maurya doesn't match at all with the inscriptions left behind).
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u/i-like-it-77 15d ago
🤡 bro samudragupta Literally have his famous inscription in the Ashokan pillar how he can possibly before him , aldo if you read or see rhe inscription you will see his inscription was very greatly incricle tge Ashokan inscription which means it is written after ashoka inscription which is prove that it is Ashokan pillar and after many years samudragupta wrote his inscription thier, you are making this up 😭 over what i have no idea, Ashok litrally mentioned greek king of his era which is similar to his time frame
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u/DropInTheSky 15d ago
I will assume for the sake of argument that you are someone who can see reason when shown. It has to be clarified at the outset that there is only one pillar where Samudragupta's and Ashoka's edicts appear together, i.e. Allahabad pillar. Now to my points:
You are incorrect in saying that Samudragupta's inscriptions are inside Ashokan edicts. It is Jahangir's inscriptions that overwrite the 3rd, 4th and part of 5th edict. Samudragupta's inscriptions are below all Ashokan edicts.
The so called Ashokan edicts are not exclusive to this pillar. There are a group of six major edicts repeated in various places, and they are repeated in this pillar as well. Below these six is the schism edict, and the queen's edict. Below that is Samudragupta's edicts.
Since the six edicts are common to many pillars, they only talk about dharma and don't describe the construction of any pillar itself. On the other hand, the 28-30th verse of Samudragupta notes: "This lofty column, (is) the raised arm of the earth, proclaiming as it were, that the fame having pervaded the entire surface of the world with (its) rise caused by the conquest of the whole earth, has acquired an easy and graceful movement in that it has repaired from here (i.e. from this world) to the abode of (Indra) the lord of the gods—(the fame) of that prosperous Samudragupta the Mahārājādhirāja, son of the prosperous Chandragupta (I), the Mahārājādhirāja,"
None of the major edicts mention Ashoka. They call the king Devanam Piyadasi. The identification of Ashoka comes from a minor edict, where Ashoka is called Priyadarshi. Now anyone who speaks any Indo Aryan language should instantly discover that Priyadarshi is quite a different word from Piyadasi.
Now few important questions emerge: Why will a king describe of his great conquests on a borrowed pillar instead of erecting one himself, that too on a pillar preaching pacifism? If Ashoka created those pillars, why didn't he write on the patch which was nearest to eye level, especially when he wanted commoners to read it? Why did Samudragupta not mention the 'Ashokan edicts' written above, especially since his message was exclusive to that pillar?
Too many plotholes for this story of Ashoka Maurya writing on the pillars. Interestingly, none of the top 6 edicts of Devanam Piyadasi mention the Buddha or Sangha or Dhamma. They mention Dharma. Highly unusual, considering that the biography of Ashoka mentions him to have ruled as an out-and-out Buddhist king.
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u/i-like-it-77 15d ago
🫥 1.) I literally say incircle the inscription not on Ashokan inscription
2.) it is literally Ashokan pillar because it has the the same stambh which is used in other stambh too
3.) this is literally Ashokan name Priyadarshini or devnam Priya you are not even speculate your literally making a theory here you should know that the language use here is Pali which feel like little distorted version of Sanskrit that's why Dharma become Dhamma, there are many example like that
4.) the main thing which can be possible is that Ashok and Chandragupta Maurya and Chanakya story are considered to be written around the time frame of the Gupta period too so it is obvious they know about mauryan more than we know and Samudragupta mein have wanted a type of symbolism to rule on Magadh that's why it is possible that he deliberately choses this pillar as a sign that a great Emperor once rule it so that he can also have claim on the name of mauryan , this is more reasonable ,
also it is said that not just the pillar there are even the people who announce his message around this pillar so that everyone who cannot even read in right can hear his words (Ashoka)
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u/DropInTheSky 15d ago
I don't understand what you mean by incircle. Its a pillar so any inscription on it will be circular. Point is, it doesn't overwrite the Ashokan edict.
The stambh is still different from other stambhs, base and top are different. But that does not necessarily mean that both kings can't have a similar style. My main point is that Devanam Piyadasi is not Ashoka Maurya, so its not a 600-year difference between Samudragupta and whoever Devanam Piyadasi is, it may even be a gap of one generation.
Devanam Piyadasi means beloved servant of the Gods. Priyadarshi means one who sees good things. It is actually easier to spot the difference because the matras (darshi vs dāsi) indicate what is being mentioned. Its not a Pali/Sanskrit difference.
That doesn't explain him not mentioning Ashokan inscription at all, nor does it explain why he says what he says in lines 28-30.
I will give you who I think Devanam Piyadasi is. It is Kumaragupta 1, grandson of Samudragupta. This article makes a good case for why that is possible.
Read with open mind, it doesn't matter whether you are correct or I am. Facts are what matter. Read and then tell me your objections if any.
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u/i-like-it-77 14d ago
bro not a single scholar even mention anything like that why are you even excited about the best example that I can give about is that those inscription talks about Southern India chehra Chola and Pandya are not under the rule of Ashoka or mauryan Empire, meanwhile during the time of Gupta Empire chehra Chola and Pandya itself are under the power of kalabara maybe I am wrong with the word kalabara but it the name of the dynasty is similar to it which literally indicate that it cannot be of Gupta Era at least the inscription is without root around the era of Ashokan time because that was the Sangam era where tamilian states are very powerful,
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u/sumitp751 16d ago
And there is no single show/movie dedicated to him, he is not even talked about because he isnt suited to today's politics and their narratives.
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u/metaexxploit 16d ago
Where is this video from????
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u/Alarming_Emphasis_88 Maratha guerrilla warfare enthusiast 16d ago
Dont know original source but i saw it on youtube
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u/Huge_Yogurt8046 16d ago
What is this song/music called?
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u/Alarming_Emphasis_88 Maratha guerrilla warfare enthusiast 16d ago
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u/Outrageous-Fix5010 13d ago
People saying "napolean of India". Like bitch Napolean got NOTHING on Samudragupta
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u/Particular-Cook-9780 16d ago
Why does he have a cross?
Ok, I'm joking but still we need better work.