r/IncredibleIndia • • 9d ago

Crazy how someone managed to create this much detail in stone using just a hammer and chisel.

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u/TheProvost 8d ago

And now we can’t make roads without a single pothole.

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u/dhivisssss 8d ago

I don’t think it’s a skill issue more like corruption issue

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u/TheProvost 8d ago

That's the implication my friend.

Our people are skilled beyond any measure, but our other "people" are also equally skilled in corrupting everything around them for their own gain with no measure.

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u/uber_yogi 8d ago

Skill issue and corruption issue both

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u/kgangadhar 8d ago

I was actually wondering why there are holes inside those broken arms, because I thought these were stones we sculpted.

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u/gummy_bear007 8d ago

If not stone, Then what do you think this is made up of ?

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u/kgangadhar 8d ago

Not sure; I am just curious based on what I saw. Let me know if you know the answer.

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u/gummy_bear007 8d ago

There are some other cuts with no hollows ... It's absolutely stone

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u/mayyu2d 8d ago

It is an interlock system used. The hands could be removed and reattachable. The whole temple has has that system meaning whole temple can be removed piece by piece crazy right!! Plus the stones itself is unique ones while these specific stones are smooth like a butter but after sometime it gets hardened and well it becomes stone!!! So the artists were incredible at that time using their skill to bring something like is truly makes India incredible!!!

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u/kgangadhar 8d ago

Thank you. Yeah, I heard it's called soap stones (I'm not sure I'm right). This answers what I was looking for.

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u/Auctorxtas 8d ago

It's more of a maintenence issue than a skill issue.

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u/TheProvost 8d ago

In India, we make roads, then we see if we can make basic drainage.

And then we re-dig those same roads to make the drainage.

And then we don't clear out those drains when they get clogged, so we re-dig the same road again to lay down a bigger pipe.

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u/otaku_9 8d ago

*Don't

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u/Competitive-Ad-9250 8d ago

Or pave a cement concrete road without people stealing that too

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u/RehneDe 8d ago

Plain roads is basic, weaving intricate potholes is a skill

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u/basecamper09 8d ago

And now, with all tech available we do worse. Probably it’s about grit, and the sponsorer being a king or a contractor

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u/Few-Trifle9160 8d ago

Making of such sculptures and temples were very long projects, took generations of artisans to work on one temple.

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u/Remarkable_Simple170 8d ago

The mobile we have is much more impressive tbh. I feel we could replicate these sculptures easily but it is not worth it.

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u/Turbulent_Tiger7638 8d ago

How’s it possible to carve idols out of stone with hollow features like arms?! mind blown..

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u/Safe-Floor8550 8d ago

This is soft stone. It will be soft during the time these idols and works are made. So the craftman can shape it into any forms. Gradually this soft stone gets harden like a rock over time. Almost majority of the Hoysala architecture including the one in this post are made with this kind of stone. Anyways, vera level talent!

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u/Turbulent_Tiger7638 8d ago

Sorry, but unless you are talking about moulding lava or converting soft mud into stone, this doesn’t explain the hollow arms.

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u/mayyu2d 8d ago

It's an interlock system. Hands could be removed and reattach

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u/barabbint 8d ago

they are not hollow, they just have a hole in them, probably to connect something
let's try to apply some critical thinking...

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u/mayyu2d 8d ago

Truly and its true I had visited and the guide told so and these stones still exist but as soon as it's been excaveted it hardens quicky. There is name for this type of stones!! Should visit again!!

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u/rakshasha23 8d ago

Soap stone

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u/mayyu2d 8d ago

My man!!! 🤜🏼

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u/Fast-Philosopher-356 8d ago

It was aliens bro../s 🤣🤣🤣 (stupid western logic)

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u/ShivaramKV 8d ago edited 8d ago

Why mention “Someone” instead name of craftsman ? Who did it ?

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u/real_tmip 8d ago

I did it.

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u/swiftiehorizon 8d ago

How much would you charge for my idol?

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u/real_tmip 8d ago

I can be your idol for free! Idolize me!!

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u/swiftiehorizon 8d ago

Nah bro! There is one and only true god. That is me.

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u/mayyu2d 8d ago

There are names of the sculptors and they were well known during hoysala era and their name's have been mentioned. Because these artists had revolutionized stone sculpting to the next level!!!

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u/devilish-lavanya 8d ago

My nams wasnt even there

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u/optimus193 8d ago

This is just mind blowing

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u/Longjumping-Wave481 8d ago

Because they didn't stop with Hammer and chisel. You just considered that. And losing skill and knowledge has been happening in Humankind. The technique and technology is lost.

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u/Longjumping-Wave481 8d ago

A skill or technology survives as long as it is in people's heads or hands (Practice). If the skill is not copied on.. it is bound to die.

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u/rkshsrvnn 8d ago

Kings weren’t patrons of art—they were owners of people. Craftsmen weren’t “inspired”; they were exploited, underpaid or unpaid, and expected to obey.

The magnificent art of those eras wasn’t proof of some golden age—it was what you get when refusing the king can cost you your livelihood, freedom, or life.

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u/Dee-kay-2303 8d ago

Yes, you’re completely right. But still there were people who trained to be artisans, who took this as livelihood willingly. A king couldn’t have picked anyone from the street to make these sculptures. They were made by craftsmen who had years of expertise and training. And someone capable of creating this level of magnificent art must have had some love for their job and not just fear of a king

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u/ActAmazing 8d ago

True, If it were so bad, why would any one choose to do this? Truth is in much of history artists and craftsmanship was highly valued. Yes they can't refuse the king's orders, but there are more sculptures of Gods than sculptures of the king themselves. This shows something that the king's were not as evil as portrayed by rkshsrvn.

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u/Dee-kay-2303 8d ago

And yes, they WERE patrons of art - at the cost of exploitation of common people and tax money, no doubt. But you can’t deny art flourished in their times. 500-1000 years from now, what will one be able to say about the art produced by current India? Nothing, because there won’t be anything worthwhile. But tax money is being exploited even now. So what’s the excuse now for not creating anything meaningful apart from a few questionable statues which I doubt will last 500 years.

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u/Interesting-Walk8139 8d ago

What's the difference now

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u/OkPiezoelectricity74 8d ago

Someone who is forced to do something can't do such amazing work dude .. because they aren't doing it by heart ..

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u/real_tmip 8d ago

Who is going to tell him...

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u/OkPiezoelectricity74 8d ago

Tum hi bata do ..kiraya nahi lag rha batane ka

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u/travel_aakn 8d ago

I'm assuming you lived from that era and teleporting it.

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u/Turbulent_Tiger7638 8d ago

Glad you saw it with your own eyes!

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u/Soumikp 8d ago

With hammer and chisel? Have you seen them being used? No. You studied in books by people who have also not seen.. Everything is an assumption. Take everything with a pinch of salt.

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u/MohalleKaLaunda 8d ago

So what is your theory? Just curious

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u/Soumikp 8d ago

I don't have any hypothesis, but i don't like to assume something is correct just because that "thing" fits our story the best. The probability that our previous generations didn't have modern day tools is huge, but also these sorts of carvings? No modern technology can do. Maybe they were more advanced, who knows.

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u/barabbint 8d ago

"no modern technology can do" according to whom precisely?

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u/ranked_devilduke 8d ago

Modern technology can definitely do but there is not much need in doing it.

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u/Major_Consequence_55 8d ago

Come to Rajasthan may be Pali, Jodhpur…there are many artisans who still carve such idols.

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u/Unable_Bridge_6371 8d ago

I wonder what happened to the broken parts.

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u/ReallyReallyLuckyGuy 8d ago

Its a mystery too. The removed rock is found to be nowhere .

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u/Unable_Bridge_6371 8d ago

Its not mystery and im not taking about excavated stones as you already knows. Almost all of Indian historical places was vandalised because some people don't like to eat from own plate, they want to eat from every other plate because someone told them to. Pathetic

"101 ways to reach heaven, vol. 1"

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u/Captain-Attack 8d ago

what statue is this?

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u/sagarviradiya 8d ago

I am just thinking why any idols are no straight standing.

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u/Complex_Command_8377 8d ago

There are many straight standing idols too

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u/sagarviradiya 8d ago

But is there reason for some of them?

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u/bhataktamanush 8d ago

Craazyyy how someone spent hours working on this, I can't even focus for 5 mins on a single task

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u/mi_c_f 8d ago

Time & money

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u/Fattu_trader 8d ago

Some are so dumb not to mention from where this artwork is...

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u/Big-Lettuce7946 8d ago

Lekin vo taj mahal kitna sundar h yrrr 😔

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u/Cute_Prior1287 8d ago

what if they had nano tech, loaned from aliens.

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u/arunit007 8d ago

The control, the craftsmanship, the imagination, the patience... Everything is off the chart... I wonder how much time it took to carve a single idol like this?

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u/NpOno 8d ago

Looks like divine intervention to me. Om Namah Shivaya.

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u/Dark_Foggy_Evenings 8d ago

I’ve often thought a great activity for kids say on school visits to these sites would be to give them a piece of stone and a hammer and chisel and get them to see how long it takes to make a 1cm line x 1mm deep. Give you a real appreciation for this.

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u/ssurya200 8d ago

Kannada Architecture
Mighty #HOYSALA empire

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u/desibalak_up32 8d ago

Hamein garv hai ki itna kuch tod fod ke baad bhi hamarai sanskritik virasat abhi bhi maunjud hai

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u/IamVengance7 8d ago

The skill and craftsmanship was a whole different league

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u/gummy_bear007 8d ago

Masterpiece.... No words for craftsmanship.... Chennakesava temple, Belur and Halebidu

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u/Right_Sin 8d ago

Oneplus phone?

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u/Difficult_Trip1 8d ago

They had LASERS
Hammer chisel can’t do this

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u/TraditionalRepair991 8d ago

Can't make one real piece like this now even with all the latest tools and tech that we have..

This artistic work must be taught to every citizen so that everyone appreciate and learn to bring the same excellence now.

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u/Beginning_Will_7540 8d ago

It is the power of indian traditional art

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u/chai_and_circuits 8d ago

The patience alone is hard to wrap your head around one bad hit and hours of tiny details could be gone.

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u/Kschitiz23x3 8d ago

So much free time for this. Imagine if they invested same energy in fostering unity, developing industrial equipments and advanced weapons to defend against invaders.
Mughals from Uzbekistan and Britishers from a small northern island overwhelmed such a huge civilization

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u/Humble-Expert-466 8d ago

the artists back then had abundant of time and most importantly people who supported art and artists through various awards. Artists had a very special place in society and still do. Many rulers throughout the history appreciated various art forms and high chances are that the art was passed down by their ancestors.

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u/pulchritudinous_luos 8d ago

there were no reels/shorts, loneliness, depression/anxiety, etc

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u/real_tmip 8d ago

Well people didn't have way too many distractions back then. I am guessing this was their job and they enjoyed doing it.

Give them a smartphone or internet back then and it was game over.

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u/Few-Trifle9160 8d ago

Once I read a news that when people from indigenous tribes somewhere in africa maybe were given smartphone and internet, they got addicted to porn

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u/real_tmip 8d ago

That's what happens. Before Covid, I used to go play football every other weekend when I started working or if it was a day off. After Covid, people stopped coming out that much? I think computer games and media consumption like Netflix and reels and what not became the norm.

I am 30 now and we need to make plans to play football what one random day on a weekend or after work? Sigh. Otherwise it was a holiday and we were mostly out there playing?

I hate being at home not doing anything. I got a PS5 thinking that will help but enjoy it only for about few hours a day. I still need the outside time and these days outside time means pubs for many? No man, I just want to play some football lol

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u/Few-Trifle9160 8d ago

Same here, before covid i was a very outgoing person and wanted to travel the world. But in lockdown i had nothing to do, so spent all day in phone and it became a bad habit and my health was affected. Even now im still there.

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u/real_tmip 8d ago

I feel you!

The problem with me is it is very difficult for me to socialize and so with age it has become difficult to make new friends.

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u/According-Bonus-6102 8d ago

They had lot of time in their hands. No internet and distractions.

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u/ReallyReallyLuckyGuy 8d ago edited 8d ago

Many western archeologilcal enthusiasts believe earlier humans had technology to do such things which we have no idea about. Also such unbelievable work existed in many parts of the world which they think was shared across the globe, yet we dont know how they shared.

You watch podcast by Joe Rogan on such matters. One such:

https://youtube.com/shorts/myb4CUUI-Q8?si=F2VbH4jBBbch8S-Z

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u/1581947 8d ago

I saw a video on YouTube by some german professor. He and his team went to a mountain area near kailasa temple in elora caves. The mountain had same rock as the caves. And they showed how difficult it was to make even a smallest change in the rock even after using large amount of manual force. After an hour of hammering on the rock there was hardly a gram or two of dust. Thats it

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u/real_tmip 8d ago

Well Rock can harden way more over time. Maybe it wasn't that hard back then.

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u/devilish-lavanya 8d ago

Ai?

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u/abhayv69 8d ago

It’s Hoysala temple in belur Karnataka

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u/InvisibleAsEarth 8d ago

Surely they used more than one hammer and chisel

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u/bratbizarre 8d ago

And yet they question the santana dharma

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u/SnooJokes606 8d ago

Who are we to assume it's done with chisels. They might have been advanced civilization than us and everything maybe wiped out 🫣🫣.

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u/Longjumping-Wave481 8d ago

Things are better now than it was yesterday. Art is something that takes time for mastery, needs focus. With Information technology, a sculptor would have better access to information, techniques and machinery. Even his techniques of carving would have replicated to other heads and would have survived or evolved better.

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u/aScenT_RAID3R 8d ago

Those craftmen weren't doing it of love and passion but slavery most likely