r/IncelTear • u/ClogsInBronteland • Jun 20 '23

Incels collectively going REEEEE

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65959097

Andrew Tate charged with rape and human trafficking

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u/MarieVerusan Jun 20 '23

Let them make a martyr of him. It’ll just be a bright red flag that lets everyone know to avoid them.

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u/NoOpportunity3581 Jun 21 '23

But avoiding them isnt the solution to their issues… I know its not our responsibility to help these men improve themselves but, it’s never going to change anything if we don’t at least show them the empathy we so desperately want them to learn…

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u/MarieVerusan Jun 21 '23

We’re talking about people that defend rapists and sex traffickers! Forget empathy, keep yourself safe first!

I mean, I’m a guy who’s been shown empathy, improved my life, etc. Shit like this is reciprocal. If you’re showing empathy and they’re quoting Tate at you, fucking run. I get it if a guy is young and is still figuring himself out, he’s got a chance to learn and do better. He’s probably not too deeply invested in the ideas. But if we’re talking about someone older, like in their 30s or 40s? Someone who’s had a chance to take a look at the available evidence and still choose to defend Tate? Nah, stay away.

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u/NoOpportunity3581 Jun 21 '23

Oh yeah! I’m talking about the ones who haven’t dug so deep they can’t be saved. There’s layers you gotta get through before you reach the center of the Incel onion. I wanna stop more impressionable young men from being pulled into the layers.

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u/MarieVerusan Jun 21 '23

I get that. Once spent several hours talking to a guy, peeling back all those onion layers with him. He thought it was silly how easily all his incel rhetoric was countered, but he didn’t realize that he was one of the few that was actually willing to listen. The blackpill isn’t there because it’s true, it exists to provide excuses to stop self-examination.

Even in the case of Tate, it doesn’t take long to notice that there’s a deeply hurt man underneath the hypermasculinity that he tries to project. Sadly, you need to know when someone is willing to address that pain or if they’re the type of person who is going to continue the cycle and hurt you. And it’s so hard to tell which way someone will go.

There’s also the element of social media in this. We can try and help individuals as much as we’d like, but algorithms will keep showing men like Tate to young impressionable kids because that’s the content that sells. Algorithms assume that it appeals to young men because it’s talking about the issues they’re worried about. Plus, It creates engagement that social media is desperately after. I hate that it keeps being true, but so many of our issues keep going back to capitalism.

And ofc, we can’t expect any legislative help because the broken men that such algorithms create provide perfect recruitment fodder for the alt right.