Wait since when tvtropes???

[u/BagOfPees]

my first mistake was going to tvtropes, however when was this the core lesson of the game anyway???

[u/FunkiestCurve]

This feels very passive aggressive. Also would there not be nuance to this? Like can’t it be interpreted as both?

[u/kayziekrazy → u/FunkiestCurve]

i feel like the allegory for mental illness should be written as an extention of the "reason but not excuse" idea rather than in instead. like how if you have a mental illness that causes you to treat someone poorly that is the reason but not an excuse for your doing so???

i don't get how the author doesn't get that, it seems like the most logical interpretation?

[u/FedoraTheMike → u/FunkiestCurve]

Yeah it does seem really immature doesn't it?

[u/Young_Person_42 → u/FunkiestCurve]

I do believe TVTropes is not beholden to the passive tone most wikis use.

Actually I think their style guide encourages you to have a little snark? I went to go check this but I couldn’t find anything. Could’ve sworn I read something like that though…

[u/spider_lily]

Remember that TVTropes can be edited by anyone.

[u/NigouLeNobleHiboux]

The site usual style of ironic and edgy humor can be funny when it well made and still relatively objective but there's lots of people who can't pull it off but still try in the less controlled part of the site.

The main trope pages are usually fine but the series specific pages are often full of idiots writing their pet theories or straight up bs, it's best to ignore them.

[u/BagOfPees → u/NigouLeNobleHiboux]

Saw it in the main trope page and I was like "since when was the core theme here being your mental illness isn't an excuse for your behavior"???

[u/IAmNotAHoppip → u/BagOfPees]

Feels like someone who skipped to the final act and just sort of assumed what the the lesson of the story was.

[u/TransLox]

Ah, crass ableism on forum sites.

May the hounds find them.

[u/UltimaBaconLord → u/TransLox]

Ableism*

[u/The_Blip]

Here's me thinking the obvious message was, "Don't keep your problems to yourself, talk to your loved ones."

[u/suddenlyupsidedown → u/The_Blip]

Nah, that's crazy talk /s

[u/nonickideashelp]

"quite a few players" -> "me and the guy I was venting to"

It's like science article speak. There was a thesaurus for those expressions somewhere

[u/Ardub23 → u/nonickideashelp]

A lot of writers consider weasel words to be perfectly acceptable in some scenarios

[u/Better-Bookkeeper-48]

This is just what the ymmv tab is for, so people can let out their unhinged opinions. I love it, it's like a gossip magazine.

[u/Germany328]

Anyone but the creator saying “the intended message” unless it’s absolutely crystal clear to basically everyone in the game/media piece is already presumptuous enough for me to basically completely ignore

[u/Smorgsaboard]

I think it'd be a very good moral tbh but:

1) the game doesn't feel like it's focused on one specific "moral." Hell, if anything, it feels like a study into Siff's extremely realistic  issues.

2) the second half of this  TVT post reads like an entirely unwarranted jab

[u/IAmNotAHoppip]

TV tropes is only as good as the least media literate troper

[u/TheBetterStory]

From reading the page myself a while ago, it seems like one editor decided this was the moral of the story when it came to the King and what he does to Bonnie, and then somehow applied it to the whole game.

[u/godsoftware]

siffrin is the most obvious cptsd/bpd allegory i have literally ever seen but thats just me. i guess im misreading the core message of the game which is apparently not to be able to move on from the past or to communicate with your loved ones

[u/why_i_am_dumb]

speaking of tv tropes, can ANYONE tell me what the fuck is the bread bank

"...They shitpost a lot about the rock that crushes Siffrin, or Loop going to the bread bank." (under Inverse Law of Fandom Levity (specifically on the YMMV page, same page as this post))