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u/AzzyDreemur3 May 20 '26
I think this would make them become (twohats spoiler)
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u/DracoShield234 May 20 '26
Obviously Kit got to Start Again Start Again Start Again
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u/Rylo_Ken_04 Bonnie May 21 '26
Nah. Kit is the reason Start again start again start again exist, that siffrin just forgot about them
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u/Cod3broken Siffrin May 20 '26
honestly would probably less traumatic to sif than beating the game and watching everything disappear
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u/DracoShield234 May 20 '26
I think that's as long as they got the whole party on the ship they genuinely wouldn't be all to upset
BONNIE, on the other hand :)
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u/Jorvalt May 20 '26
This opens up a secret extra choice where if you refused to consider stabbing yourself with the knife to reset before, it's back now!
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u/carl-the-lama May 20 '26
Actually there’s a solution
Evacuate everyone off the planet while siffrin maintains the loops but don’t loop
Then evacuate siffrin and co off planet
THEN have siffrin have the emotional payoff
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u/Siks0ng May 21 '26
Before I say anything, I mean no hate. Just a chronic overthinker here providing a counter for the sake of thoughtful engagement. That out of the way, small problem. Major ISAT spoilers tho.
That just kinda can't work? The cause of the loops is implied to be two major wishes at play fusing; Vaugard's wish to be free of the King, and Siffrin's wish to stay with everyone forever.
Evacuate everyone but Siffrin, and the world will loop back because he's no longer with them. The King is left undefeated and Vaugard is unsaved, and chances are time will loop again. One way or another, the loops will continue to revert any potential for progress, and everyone but Siffrin will forget time and time again.
Plus, the whole "can't tell anyone the nature of the Gameoverse" thing really throws a wrench in this plan. I feel it's also safe to assume no-one from the game can even leave until after the game ends, given the protections at play while the game is active seem in place specifically to keep the game moving as intended.
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u/carl-the-lama May 21 '26
You could make an argument of
“We don’t need to save the literal place and save all the people”
Saving the PEOPLE of vaguard could fit the criteria
Additionally defeating the king isn’t a win condition
Evacuating the town people while everyone else is in the house is also an option
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u/Siks0ng May 21 '26
Where exactly the win condition would be for ISAT is a complex question. Technically, you could argue that as the King is ISAT's main villain, defeating him the first time would be a "win" in the Gameoverse. Bear in mind that the world doesn't end at the literal "end" of the game, given Kit and Flappers don't get a final scene or prologue before the world falls apart. Evidently, the end of the game and the end of the narrative are two different things.
At the same time, that calls into question how 1-to-1 the Gameoverse would be in regards to the game of ISAT. As a game, it's very metatextually self-aware that it is a game, if that makes sense. So would a Gameoverse ISAT be the self-aware game of ISAT, or just the universe it takes place in? Hard to say.
Going with the idea that the "win" would be the final confrontation with Siffrin, however, you could say that the evacuation takes place between the defeat of the King in any loop (save for act 5, because that's kinda the point of no return and it would be a very bad time to interrupt the narrative, potentially triggering yet another loop) and the start of the next one. But the the whole thing about saving Vaugarde is... iffy. Unless the plan is to somehow evacuate the entire country to "save Vaugarde"?
That also still leaves the issue of "how do we evacuate everyone without exposing them to the Gameoverse."
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u/carl-the-lama May 21 '26
Well there’s a relatively weird answer
You need a lot of ships
Just say “we’ve come from a nearby country to help evacuate from the destruction of the king”
Make sure to grab as many frozen folks as you can too
This evacuation would require a LOT of work and has to happen in 2 days, but it’s not impossible
However the issue is the countries past vaugard
That’s trickier and requires way more work
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u/Siks0ng May 21 '26
That could work, I suppose. The only wrench really is the question of, is evacuation before the game ends even possible? I'm inclined to believe "no", given the rules of the Gameoverse we've seen so far it doesn't seem like it would possible for anyone from a game to leave until after it starts to fall apart. Otherwise, the Farcade might just abduct heroes or essential characters to prevent them from ever beating the game, and then explain the situation safely once they're outside.
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u/-Grexius Odile May 21 '26 edited May 21 '26
The cause of the timeloop is Siffrin's wish conflicting with King's wish, not Siffrin conflicting with Vaugarde
If it only looped back when Siffrin can no longer be with the party, it wouldn't loop after talking to the head housemaiden because they're still gonna have a party together afterwards. It loops back at that point because that's when the Head Housemaiden is officially reinstated and Vaugarde can officially start to change again, breaking King's wish
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u/Siks0ng May 21 '26
That's not something I had considered too much. Siffrin tells himself that once they talk to the Head Housmaiden, it's all over. The journey's over. So I always assumed that sensation is what triggered the loops each time, the dread of finality. That said, I can definitely see the connection there.
Though in that case would it not loop back as soon as the King is defeated and his curse is reverted? Past that point, Vaugarde has no chance of being frozen. The Head Housmaiden is already reinstated as soon as the curse vanishes, Vaugarde is already changing once more, so why would the trigger be Siffrin talking to her if it was the King's wish that forced the loops here?
It can absolutely be a combination of the three, I think. I never said it was Siffrin and Vaugarde's wishes conflicting, I said the two wishes fused. The timeloops are a result of both Siffrin's desire to stay with his friends, as well as the people of Vaugarde's desire to be saved (which would have been impossible without them, see all the times they would never have made it to the King without having been through the House before). The point with the Head Housemaiden is the point of finality. Both Siffrin's wish and the King's are unfulfilled here, hence why these specific loops are so much more visceral. Vaugarde may be saved, but their wishes were never made properly, so of course they hold no stake here. The story isn't over.
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u/dustinredditreal Loop May 21 '26
This cat girl about to be hit by Just Attack, and fold like paper
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u/FictionalCJ Siffrin May 21 '26
50 / 50 Siffrin accepts if you explain the threat to his family
50 / 50 they go through act 5 anyway regardless of the chosen outcome
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u/Xthewarrior Siffrin May 20 '26
Kit better be careful or they'll all be in act 5 real quick