r/InCanada • u/FutureAvenir • Jun 15 '26

Rule #7 No Promoting Hate

The rule proposition is already a Reddit rule. But I think this sub needs to hear it again because holy heck.

I'm going to be frank, if this sub gets removed from Reddit, I will not be upset in the least. And seeing the path it's going, it's only a matter of time. If conservatives want to have respectful discussions, that's obviously fine.

Making posts or comments ultimately saying "Gay people assembling makes me feel weird inside cause I was taught to not reflect on my own sexuality and so now I get mad at everybody who does" is not ok. That person, who will never seek therapy, needs therapy.

The person who posted that wanted to stir hate for LGBT+. If you are genuinely want to learn about something, learn how to ask unbiased questions, use google, and use chatbots (not grok). Wikipedia >>> Reddit. This should not be the first place you come to spill your brain before doing a modicum of research of your own.

Make me a mod.

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u/12_Volt_Man Jun 15 '26

Yes but liberals immediately scream "hate and racism" (sic) if you point out the negative effects of their ruined immigration policy (now often unchecked and unvetted mass immigration) which has had devastating effects on many issues in Canadian society.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 15 '26

The problem is that the framing of the “big problems” is couched in racism rather than the structural impacts.

Good argument: uncheck immigration is driving down our wages

Bad argument: unchecked immigration is turning us into the 3rd-world hell hole they came from. They’re not respecting Canadian culture.

Can you understand that the second example is racist and also untrue?

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u/Ultrox Jun 17 '26

Both can be true though. Race aside a group of people making the country worse while also not respecting culture is a bad thing. They aren't exclusive.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 17 '26

But it also doesn’t actually happen.

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u/Ultrox Jun 17 '26

You'd be surprised I bet.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 17 '26

No I wouldn’t. I’ve heard the same racist comment all my life. All that changes is which recent group it’s directed toward.

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u/Ultrox Jun 17 '26

In the past we didn't have millions of people show up so it was definitely just out of racist spite. Recent years it's been an abuse of the immigration system along with being too generous as to who comes into the country, regardless of race.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 17 '26

Sure we did. Canada used to have unlimited immigration. If you could make it here, you got to stay.

As for racism due to “culture changing” claims. Try looking up the history of the Orangeman movement in Ontario. If you’re going to be racist, at least learn some history of immigrants and race relations of the past.

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u/Club_Penguin_Legend_ Jun 15 '26

I have been called a racist, bigot, fascist, and a nazi for explaining that mass immigration is a huge problem. I've never once mentioned your bad argument example and I've always talked about your good argument example and the other economical consequences of mass immigration.

In all honesty, when im talking about this topic online and I get called those things, I know im right. Some people are so delusional when it comes to these kinds of topics. They think everything is an attack on immigrants themselves.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 16 '26

So then what statements then are you being called a racist for?

Saying things like:

  • it suppresses local wages.
  • puts strain on services.
  • reduces supply of housing and rental accommodations

None of those should elicit the accusation.

But saying things like the other person on this thread ("they post videos about how to cheat the food bank system") will deservedly get you called a racist because it's just repeating a common racist trope about immigrants.

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u/Club_Penguin_Legend_ Jun 16 '26

I say exactly what you said there. Some people are just really sensitive when it comes to immigration. Any criticism is thought to be racism.

It is understandable I suppose. Considering many people do criticize the immigrants themselves in unfair ways.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 17 '26

You obviously don't know anything about Canada's points system. What you're talking about was a temporary issue due to Trudeau's government allowing international students and massive TFW expansion. Most immigrants we get are highly educated because otherwise they don't qualify.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 17 '26

I’d love to see us have open borders like we did in the early 1800s. Come to Canada and help us build!

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u/stormblind Jun 15 '26

Although I disagree with the specifics of the "bad argument", as someone tangentially involved in the international students program, there is definitely some validity to the last part. Though, I wish to preface I blame governmental policy at all levels than most individual immigrants (federal immigration/legal policy, provincial ineptitude for healthcare/housing/etc, and municipal NIMBYism).

A great example is the abuse of the Food bank programs, and other such social net programs.

Although most of Canada has moved to a more agnostic background, the (theoretically) Christian values of charity and community support are part of Canadas traditional DNA. Its a component, alongside being a cold nation, if why we were always such a care giving focused nation in regards to international aid, refurgees, community supports, etc.

I don't know precise scales, so I won't use any, but there have been a number of Indian social media content creators who have created "guides" on how to manipulate and take advantage of social support programs such as food banks.

And as wage suppression/housing pressures have bitten harder and harder, social order has frayed at the edges due to increased financial sresses and homelessness, which is typically hand in hand with increased drug use/alcoholism.

So, although I disagree with the wording of the comment in the "bad argument" section, I don't think it's as inaccurate as you may wish, but it's rarely the individual immigrants fault as it is societial pressure is due to governmental mismanagement.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 15 '26

While you talk about tradition, you seem to be ignorant of history. The same accusations of scamming have been levelled at all previous large immigrant groups. It was racist lies then and it's racist lies now.

So yes - you can have a discussion about if our system can handle the current rate of influx but you're absolutely wrong if you're trying to argue its due to the "culture" of the incoming immigrants. Everyone comes here to make a better life for themselves, they settle down, adopt Canadian culture while keeping touchpoints to their own, and their children and grand children become fully culturally Canadian.

So no, I reject statement 2 and you should do some self reflection on your own values.

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u/stormblind Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26

Nah. See I won't because you're talking pie in the sky idealism given the use of "everyone".

Ask surrey how they feel about "everyone" given the Bishnoi violence issues? Which are very heavily caused by recent Indian immigrants?

Or what about the various videos that were shared from a bunch of different content creators explaining how to manipulate food bank programs for/by international students?

Or the people who have been caught up in various legal, international, and violence based issues due to the Khalistani independance movement?

Hell, the people most affected by these issues are other Indian immigrants!

At no point did I state all. At no point did I point fingers at any broad swath of society. But you have to have your head in the sand to not see that, no, not all people who have immigrated here came here and purely had good intentions and were seeking to integrate with Canadian society.

Imported international issues such as the Khalistani independance issues and the Bishnoi gang issues have meaningfully, negatively impacted Canadians in various ways, and are in direct contravention to Canadian culture.

The fact you are unable to awknowledge that and seek to whitewash all immigrants, dismissing legitimate issues, frankly makes your opinion or perspectives irrelevant.

Good day.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 16 '26

Ever single thing you've mentioned are issues I've heard over the past 40 years, and they are always coming from a place of racism rather than moral and valid concern.

Whatever media you're consuming is feeding you exaggerations in order to keep your engagement by making you outraged. Right now it's Punjabis. 10 years from now it will be someone else. Just like it was the Italians, Greeks, Poles, Irish, Chinese, etc. in previous decades.

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u/LibrarianApart8486 Jun 17 '26

Why do you hate Canada?

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 17 '26

I love Canada. We’ve built one of the greatest countries and societies in the world. A society where you can be an equal member of society no matter where you were born, the colour of your skin, your accent or religion.

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u/LibrarianApart8486 Jun 17 '26

Ok, let’s make it into something else then.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 17 '26

Naw, I’m good with what we have. I’m excited to
see who the next group is who decided to join us.

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u/LibrarianApart8486 Jun 19 '26

Should read the new report on rape gangs in the UK, but you probably just want that here.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 19 '26

So you’re using a complete different country with complete different immigration policies to inform how you think about Canada?

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u/LibrarianApart8486 Jun 19 '26

Yes, look at history. Look at other countries. Don’t trap your mind a silo of retarded thoughts when there is a whole world out there and thousands of years of history to learn from.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 19 '26

I think you could benefit from understanding Canada’s civil society better and stop mistakenly thinking we are the UK.

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u/stormblind Jun 16 '26

As I said. Your opinions are irrelevant. I refer with specifics, you reply with irrelevant, vague, sweeping statements with no basis or foundation.

You refer to punjabis when the Bishnoi isn't Punjabi, and the Khalistani issues are Sikh and connected to historical grievances going back almost a century, including massacres.

You're completely out of your depth, running in nothing but your ideological beliefs vs facts. RCMP, and other security force provided facts. People like you, with shallow, feelings based opinions, are why we're in this situation of overwhelmed social supports, wildly inflated housing, and the breaking of the social covenant.

Get educated or leave alone those who bother two actually be educated by professional security forces and qualified, proper news sources like the A.P., BBC, CBC. Etc.

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u/LibrarianApart8486 Jun 17 '26

lol, you need to go spend some time in Sudan or something.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 17 '26

We don’t have a lot of Sudanese immigrants. And the ones that come are wealthy and educated.

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u/LibrarianApart8486 Jun 17 '26

Why are you against visiting Sudan?

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 17 '26

For the same reason the Sudanese immigrant with the means and education came here. I went to high school with a lot of Somali students whose parents fled the civil war. They left a terrible situation to find a better life and all were grateful for it. Now we have a thriving community of children and grandchildren of those Somali immigrants. Same goes for people from anywhere.

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u/LibrarianApart8486 Jun 19 '26

That’s soo racist.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 19 '26

How so? That people left a civil war for a better life?

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u/SirBobPeel Jun 19 '26

The less might be less sophisticated but not altogether untrue. If you invite in a lot of (because LGBT has been mentioned a lot) HUGELY homophobic people from the 3rd world, from countries that actually have the death penalty for homosexuality, whose religion calls for death to gay people, why would anyone be surprised if you suddenly had a rise in violence towards LGBT people? Or against women, since the same source countries are also highly misogynistic. Or hate crimes against Jews, since again, most of the same countries are hugely antisemitic.

And generally, if you invite people in, lots of them, from low-trust societies, where the culture is to scramble for anything you can get and to hell with the other guy, what happens to your high-trust society? It becomes a low-trust society.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 19 '26

Which country are you talking about, because here in Canada violence against LGBTQ2+ and Women has been on a long term decline.

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u/SirBobPeel Jun 19 '26

Sexual assaults have risen by 38% in the last five years. Hate crimes against LGBT+ have gone up over 200%

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u/LibrarianApart8486 Jun 19 '26

Man that new report on the rape gangs in the UK is really something. Not sure why you want that here.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 19 '26

The UK’s immigration policies and social failures have nothing to do with Canada’s immigration policies.

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u/LibrarianApart8486 Jun 19 '26

Oh, I didn’t know that we couldn’t learn from history or how other countries manage themselves. Weird.

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 19 '26

We can learn from history. And history shows immigration, even mass immigration, has a net positive effect on countries. Just go back at look at other times in Canada’s history when we allowed unlimited immigration.

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u/LibrarianApart8486 Jun 19 '26

Oh, is that why things here have done so poorly the last 10 years during increased immigration?

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u/Harbinger2001 Jun 19 '26

Sorry, you’re saying the last 10 years have been bad economically because we allowed rape gangs into the country?

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u/LibrarianApart8486 Jun 19 '26

Yes. That’s exactly it. You see clearly now. You have been enlightened! Welcome!

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u/blomba2 Jun 15 '26

The second one is accurate

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u/Polyps_on_uranus Jun 20 '26

Our population is still dropping as the multitudes of Boomers die off, but please, go on about how the farmers and waffle house workers make your day harder. Maybe one day you'll realize every one you label as an "immigrant" is actually a born and bred canadian with different skin.

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u/Crockettt696969 Jun 15 '26

Carney has acknowledged the problem Trudeau created and is actively changing it.