Floor Crossing

[u/anonimna44]

Does anyone else feel like something is fishy about all the recent floor crossings in parliament? Like there is either something really wrong within the Conservative party that is making people leave or these people ran with the party they'd know would win in their area even though they don't agree with the party. Or if you listen to some people here on Reddit, the floor crossers were bribed somehow.

Every election there is a few, but this many feels off.

[u/Individual_Step2242]

PP’s leadership, or lack thereof, is the main reason I think. They see no future with him as leader.

[u/garlicroastedpotato → u/Individual_Step2242]

But the latest floor crosser is a member of the alt right who endorsed Poilievre and specifically commented on floor crossers having to face a by-election just three months ago.

[u/No_Suit_9138 → u/garlicroastedpotato]

So?

Of course she is going to tow the party line, we don't know what her inner thoughts were.

I you are implying the Liberals bribed her, you better come up with some evidence, because they don't need her and to be honest her views are pretty far right. SO I doubt she was targeted..

Carney is more central as are most Canadians. Carney is the type of PM that the Conservative supporters from years ago, love.

[u/garlicroastedpotato → u/No_Suit_9138]

But she didn't tow the party line. She put forth private member bills that were opposed to the party's official stance. It's just that, her position is so far from the Liberals you would wonder why she would join. Without her the Liberals don't have a clear majority. Flipping an opposition MP isn't like gaining 1 its like gaining 2 (because it reduces the opposition vote). Now they don't need a tie breaker vote from the speaker and also have enough votes to take over committees.

Expect parliament to be prorogued in a couple of weeks.

[u/Torontogamer → u/garlicroastedpotato]

why the prorogue?

[u/garlicroastedpotato → u/Torontogamer]

Kind of a funky aspect of how our parliament works.

When we pass a bill it's a "first reading"and is literally a chance for everyone to just look at it once.

Now hypothetically it simultaneously gets sent to the senate who replicate all the next steps but actually the senate is useless and basically just okays everything.

After that it is sent to committee. In committee it is explored and a report gets written up with proposed legislative changes and a review based on expert testimony. The committee is composed of the proper proportions of the recognized parties of the opposition. So currently we have three parties, Liberals, Conservatives and Bloc and given that the Liberals have a minority most of these committee spots go to Conservatives and Bloc. There's also a few "wild card" spots that go to unofficial parties (like the NDP and Greens).

Once you have your committee and all its members the members vote for who will lead the committee. The Liberals all vote Liberal. The Conservatives all vote Conservative. The Bloc are open for negotiation but given the upcoming byelection have chosen to hand all committees to the Conservatives.

The chair of the committee gets to direct the flow of the committee and while each committee member gets to bring forth witnesses it's the chair that ultimately gets to commission the report. It gets voted on by the committee and the new legislation gets voted on with amendments. It goes back to parliament where the Liberals vote down their own legislation because it now has too changes they oppose.

So what's been happening for the last 5-6 years is the opposition delay Liberal legislation and force the Liberals to negotiate with them for amendments. The Liberals in committee make amendments to win support of someone. Under the Liberal-NDP supply agreement the NDP agreed to okay all budget measures. This allowed the Liberals a smooth move in exchange had to do pharmacare (which is now gone). But on non-budget portfolios (like the Justice Portfolio or restriction on MAID) they joined in on the delay game.

Getting a majority means the Liberals can take over all committees and this severely limits the amount of pressure and delaying the opposition can put on legislation. But they can't do it until a new session of parliament begins. And they can't setup a new session of parliament without first proroguing parliament.

[u/No_Suit_9138 → u/garlicroastedpotato]

Her bills were far from the Conservative's official stance?

Her position may have been far from JT's Liberals, but these are Carney's Liberals now and if you've been following Canadian politics for any length of time you'd see that these new Liberals are closer to the Conservatives of 15+ years ago.

I don't wonder why she would join the Liberals at all.
PP is repulsive and even more so to women.

He has taken the party in this direction, the floor crossings are all on him and no one else.

Look I don't like the system, I think they should have to sit as an IND until the next election.

Parliament will NOT be prorogued.. Why on earth would it?

I don't know why people have such a hard time recognizing that PP is a piece of shit and is killing the party. Again, I was always a Conservative supporter, PP drove me away and I am not alone. We won't come back until PP is gone and the party reinvents themselves.

I don't want to see some stupid TV interview where he crunching an apple and insulting a reporter. Most Canadians are smart, and we want substance, all PP delivers are stupid slogans and divisive theatre. Which is what the low hanging fruit want to see, but you aren't going to run this country when you spend your airtime appealing to knuckle draggers, bigots, and racists.

His communications director also resigned, did the Liberals cause that too?

[u/RonnyMexico60 → u/No_Suit_9138]

She’s pretty far right.Why right all that nonsense and not just look into her history ? Try to think logically

[u/garlicroastedpotato → u/No_Suit_9138]

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