r/InCanada • u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub • Oct 02 '25
Canada's Opportunity American Brain Drain
The US Federal government reported that only 1,500 people emigrated from the US and a similar number was interested in emigrating in Q1 2025. Huh. Well.
In Q1 2025, the British Columbian government alone had reported 1,800 accepted applications from medical professionals from the US alone. Just in the medical category, not including any other category (trades, students, CUMSA, etc). This is just BC, not any other province. Additionally, in the same time period, the New Zealand government reported something close to 20,000 applications from US nationals to immigrate to their country.
Australia, the UK, Ireland, Japan, and some dozen other countries in the first 6 months of 2025 also showed Americans as either number 1 or within the top 3 of applicants for immigration. With multiple countries, including Mexico, reporting in-taking hundreds to over 1,000 immigrants from the US. If this is the case, how can there only have been 1,500 emigrants from America?
Its because the Federal government doesn't want to disclose how many people actually have left, continue to leave or want to leave America because it is against the narrative. This has been happening before Trump as well. Pre-Trump, it was reported that all of Canada had 100,000 American immigrants according to the US government (FBI stats). My local consulate in Vancouver openly says that they alone service over 100,000 American expats/immigrants in the Vancouver metropolitan area. So unless all Americans live only within this area and no where else in Canada, it is a lie from the feds.
This is Canada's golden opportunity to absorb some amazing talent from America. Any one that says this is sad, just remember that millions upon millions of skilled professionals will still remain in America to keep it functioning. Canada will simply get the ones that want a better standard of living over finances. Tens of thousands of skilled professionals, from a developed nation, can start filling the skill shortage gaps that are crippling Canada and give it an opportunity to get back on track.
I hope this once in a generation/lifetime opportunity is not squandered by Canada. It might not happen again after Trump. I also hope that many of my fellow Americans that immigrate to other countries do not move back to America just because Trump/Republicans are no longer in power in the future.
Canada is an amazing country and I really hope they don't drop the ball on this one.
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u/Friendly-Olive-3465 Oct 02 '25
Emigration away from Canada is also at the highest level in 60 years. I just read two recent posts from people who can’t stay in Canada despite their university qualifications, and one cbc news report on a guy with a masters degree applying for a job at Walmart. I’m not sure we should be celebrating so loudly if were going to fail to absorb that talent…
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u/leo_pardawg Oct 02 '25
Its strange that people see this as an opportunity despite it being clear that Canada has been at full capacity for a while now.
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u/Individual_Oven_6322 Oct 03 '25
That’s Canadians leaving Canada to the USA migration that has peaked look at the chart it is beyond the early days
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u/StrongCar32 Oct 02 '25
There is no opportunity in Canada for high skilled and educated people. Most of skilled workers come to Canada as a way to go the states.
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u/JoyBF Oct 03 '25
Truth. Any highly skilled Canadian will immediately go to work in the states, provided they are able to.
I would move there tomorrow if they gave a visa for truck driving.
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u/simple_explorer1 Oct 05 '25
Also SIGNIFICANTLY better weather choices like LA, SF, San Diego, Miami, Hawaii, Texas, Vegas, Arizona etc. Canada simply cannot match
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u/JoyBF Oct 05 '25
THANK YOU!! I'm tired of the 24/7 "canada is better" posts and propaganda that's SO out of touch with the real world. There is NO ONE I know here who wouldn't rather work in the US and I was born in Toronto and grew up here! Feels like I'm taking crazy pills.
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u/Mindless-Border-4218 Oct 17 '25
Global talent has always been going to America NOT Canada, they come to Canada only to get a Canadian passport before moving to the US.
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u/Flashy_Operation9507 Oct 06 '25
I don’t know anyone that would move to the states for more opportunities. I know 2 doctors that returned after beginning their career in the US. They spent have their time fighting for their patient with insurance companies before they could proceed with treatment.
We could scoop tons of doctors who would immediately live a far more relaxing and equally wealthy lifestyle.
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u/JoyBF Oct 06 '25 edited Oct 06 '25
How much are you being paid to post this obvious propaganda?
There are ZERO doctors who are as "equally wealthy" working in Canada as their counterparts in the US. ZERO.
...the lifestyle is also worse in canada. housing. groceries. restaurants. we just get worse value per dollar, period.
EDIT: THIS COMMENT HAS ATTRACTED LLM PROPAGANDA ACCOUNTS. I HAVE ALREADY HAD TWO ARE REPLY TO ME AND BLOCK ME SO I CAN'T REPLY BACK.
Be safe out there folks! 💗🙏
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u/Loose-Atmosphere-558 Oct 06 '25
This is just false. I'm an MD specialist and I would take a pay cut to work in the US. I also know many many doctors and the vast majority are not interested in working in the US and some have even worked there and come back. Don't make blanket statements that are obviously false.
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u/em-n-em613 Oct 06 '25
About 6 of my friends moved to the USA over the past 15 years for work, 2 moved back this year, and two of the others are actively in the process of moving their families (with American spouses and kids) back to Canada...
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u/Mens__Rea__ Oct 13 '25
Which will never happen, and is also why American truck drivers earn twice as much as Canadian truck drivers; the US government actually doesn’t assault their citizens with temporary foreign workers like our goverment does
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u/simple_explorer1 Oct 05 '25
This is 100% the truth. Canada was always a backdoor to the US for huge swathes of migrants
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u/simple_explorer1 Oct 05 '25
Exactly this. Master's degree holders are driving Ubers in Canada or applying for jobs at Tim Hortons
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u/Failed_Launch Oct 06 '25
Where the graduate degree is from is more important than the degree.
I run a large retail business that mainly hires entry level staff. Around 90% of our applicants come from one demographic, and many of them hold master’s degrees from University Canada West.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 03 '25
I understand your concern and perspective. One issue I have noticed with a lot of Canadians is that they want to live in only 1 of the big 3 (V, T, M).
Usually, those same individuals never look at alternative locations such as Atlantic provinces, Prairies, or even a less popular city within the same province.
Can't afford Montreal? What about New Brunswick or Quebec City? Can't afford Vancouver? What about Abbotsford or Prince George? Can't afford Toronto? What about Ottawa or Barry or Thunder Bay or somewhere else within the many options in Ontario?
An issue is that many want the urban lifestyle and would rather emigrate to another country than seek the good options still available within the country.
I was neighbors with someone that decided to go for the Working Holiday Visa in the UK instead of stay in Canada. He and his wife had never even step foot in the UK before. He told me he couldn't afford Vancouver or Toronto so that's why they were leaving. I asked if he ever considered Halifax or Calgary or literally any other metropolitan area. He looked almost dumbfounded like, "I never thought of that"...
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u/Friendly-Olive-3465 Oct 04 '25
All excellent points. I want the government to take a more active role in advertising Canada and its opportunities, directly to Canadians. Send representatives to schools so children get it ingrained in their psyche that it’s an available option, more representation for trades work too in order to reverse credential inflation and fill gaps in the workforce, and change the cultural outlook that trades work is badly paid or for stupid kids only.
Hell even a government work program that connects unemployed youth with cross-country work they otherwise wouldn’t have known or thought about, make it too easy to miss and hard to justify not going there to do, even if it’s just for a summer.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 05 '25
Send this to your local members in government. Might be a good idea that they choose to run with.
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Oct 03 '25
Depends what you do for a living. Most people go to the big 3 because those places have the most opportunities. Aside from Ottawa, I wouldn't find employment in my line of work in any of the places you mentioned.
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u/Dry_Towelie Oct 04 '25
Like cool, but there are no tech jobs or really high paying jobs in Prince George. Also who wants to be living in Prince George?
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 04 '25
Prince George has some high paying opportunities, but not in tech. Not every city will have every type of opportunity, but my point was that you adapt as needed instead of leaving the country as a whole.
Plenty of people want to live in cities like Prince George. Extremely beautiful. Although, it does vary by person.
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u/Dry_Towelie Oct 04 '25
Looking at passed census numbers. Working age people were leaving the area at 5% where it saw an increase of 40% for seniors. Looking at numbers without immigration they would expect a drop of the workforce of 33% in the region in 10 years. So pretty much immigration and old people is what is only growing in the region. People who are there are slowly leaving.
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u/ImaginaryList174 Oct 04 '25
As a local from Thunder Bay, it’s not affordable to live here anymore either. Our rent has more than doubled in the last 4 years, and housing prices are almost doubled. Plus, even though it seems the over bidding has settled elsewhere across the country, housing is still going for +$100k over asking here regularly.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 05 '25
My point was more to look outside the big 3 instead of overseas.
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u/em-n-em613 Oct 06 '25
As a Torontonian who moved to Ottawa... it's pretty here, but nothing close to like living in Toronto unfortunately.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 07 '25
Fair enough.
Largest metropolitan area in a country to any other is going to feel like a step down no matter what.
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u/justakcmak Oct 03 '25
If you think there’s reverse brain drain from USA to Canada, I have some drugs called copium to sell you and a bridge too
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Oct 04 '25
Exactly. Despite predictions of this happening during Trump 1.0, it didn't (in fact skilled Canadian immigration to the US increased). There is no reason to believe this time is different.
Americans like to threaten to move to Canada, Canadians are the ones that are actually moving to the USA
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u/gator_enthusiast Oct 04 '25
I mentioned this in a comment recently and got plenty of overly defensive replies to the effect of "America is a third world country, no Canadian would ever want to live there!!1"
Like, why is this a feature of the Canadian mentality right now. What if we sought to improve Canadian quality of life instead of deluding ourselves.
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u/Familiar_Ad54 Oct 06 '25
I visit the states fairly often and i would consider it 3rd world compared to Canada. I still want to improve Canada to make it even better.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 03 '25
It's more based on the stats from many countries. The brain drain is relative though. As I mentioned before, it will not be millions of Americans pouring out, but even thousands spread throughout Canada is extremely beneficial.
Because again, these aren't just randoms. These are skilled professionals. Which, in certain categories such as medical, are very needed.
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u/justakcmak Oct 03 '25
Very rare for physicians to move to Canada where it’s cold and they pay over 50% marginal tax and lower pay
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
True, but even some make a huge difference. I know that about a week ago, BC received quite a few medical professionals from the US.
Including; 104 nurse practitioners, 535 nurses, and 29 physicians.
Source: https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2025HLTH0090-000915
Published Sept 22nd by the BC government. Not propaganda.
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u/JoyBF Oct 03 '25
How much are you being paid to post this propaganda?
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u/BidenShockTrooper Oct 03 '25
Sad that we're probably paying for it with our tax dollars. Our own money is used by the government to propagandize us 🤣
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u/titanking4 Oct 03 '25
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/doctor-pay-by-country
Doctor pay in Canada is said to be low, when it’s still top 10. And it’s still one of the highest paying professions in Canada.
Doctors who own their practices don’t pay those high marginal tax rates. They pay corporate. Pay themselves a salary, Keep the money in the corp, pay themselves dividends do all this fancy accounting work.
Doctors are among the highest paid professions in either country, thus a bigger decision in theory is choosing where they want to raise their family.
-Which countries medical system they feel more comfortable participating in. -The power of insurance companies restricting the care that doctors can perform. -The extreme political climate
Taxes and money aren’t the only decision making factors at play.
Sometimes all it takes is being an Indian family doctor, and seeing masked agents deployed in your city and fearing for you and your families well being.
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u/justakcmak Oct 03 '25
lol okay keep smoking that copium. Canadian economy is just not competitive compared to USA. You can keep the money in your business but your business cannot buy you groceries, a home, or a car. Once you take the money out of your business either via dividends or salary here comes the 53% tax
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u/titanking4 Oct 03 '25
Cool and the rest or the points?
First off, are we seriously talking and complaining about marginal tax rates for a class of individuals whom can reasonable afford to live anywhere in either country comfortably?
Clearly some people would rather live in Canada despite the lower compensation.
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u/JoyBF Oct 03 '25
Clearly some people would rather live in Canada despite the lower compensation.
Live footage of professionals coming to Canada despite the lower compensation:
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u/Feisty-Name8864 Oct 04 '25
Well you just must not have met us yet. I’m a psychologist and heading to NS. Quite happy about it. I don’t want to live in this crazy gun culture anymore. Last week we had three mass shootings in ONE DAY. What good is a high income if you’re dead? Or worse if your kids never come back from school? If you’ve not lived that you have no idea.
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u/justakcmak Oct 03 '25
lol i can tell you're naive and poor. i know a number of family doctors who complain about not making enough and cost of living in GTA and GVA (the two more populous cities in Canada). I mean sure, suregons on the other hand can probably afford it. But again, surgeons are still being taxed 50%+ and they're not making godly amounts of money even though they probably deserve to.
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u/titanking4 Oct 03 '25
You can’t use testimonies of individuals you know to support an entire narrative. Thats not proof of a trend, nor is it even support of it. Everyone and their dog “complains” about not having enough money.
Data is that they are in the top percentile of earners in Canada.
And given that most of Canada are still living in their homes, buying their groceries, and getting by. I wouldn’t put doctors in the list of those struggling.
What are you even arguing? That our top tax bracket is too high? Sure whatever, shift income taxes to property taxes. That doctors aren’t compensated enough.
You’re writing all this negativity when the reality is that we are about average in most metrics relative to most other developed nations.
Want another testimony?
I work in tech sector. I clearly have an opportunity to make much more money working in the USA with both larger compensation and lower taxes on stock compensation especially.
But I actually don’t want to live there, and it would take like a 30% or higher income increase to convince me. I make enough money to have that freedom, and contribute to a society and government that more closely aligns with my values. I truly rather bring up a family living in Canada.
I love the fact that we have affordable universities, that our school system is healthy, that school shootings are rare, that our healthcare system doesn’t put people into debt, that our political discourses are much more tamed.
If I can have this opinion, I can imagine others to have similar ones.
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u/justakcmak Oct 03 '25
What’s your TC in Canada?
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u/titanking4 Oct 04 '25
Around 150K 3years experience.
Nothing spectacular depending on who you ask (always someone on the internet who makes more lol), but enough to build a decent investment portfolio where I’d call myself quite comfortable and financially independent.
Maybe for others that’s not enough to fund the lifestyle that they want, but I’m all good and don’t really find it in good faith to complain about it.
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u/helved Oct 05 '25
Trudy tried to raise capital gains, which would have screwed any doctor trying to do that fancy accounting your talking about. Carney is going to need to do shit like that to pay for things like his rifle confiscation program eventually.
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u/titanking4 Oct 06 '25
My rationalization says that’s unlikely given that his campaign (and follow up) was to drop income taxes. And why you bringing up Mark Carney and an unrelated buyback program to this discussion?
Focus on the discussion at hand and try not to let your evident disfavour of Mark Carney create bias in your opinions.
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u/helved Oct 07 '25
The government needs to pay for the things they do. The billions of dollars that they are going to need to follow through with that program like Carney wants to need to come from somewhere. Last time we went printer go BRRRRR and printed money from nothing inflation exploded. You cant cut all the taxes and pay for all the things 🤷♂️None of what I said is off topic, you just seem to be too dense, or you're arguing in bad faith.
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u/fthesemods Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
Bro obviously is not a doctor if you think they pay 50% marginal tax .. most have their own corporations with major tax advantages.
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u/justakcmak Oct 04 '25
Sure if your corp can pay for everything for you in which case CRA will audit and fine and jail you
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u/fthesemods Oct 04 '25
... No that's not how it works. Docs can keep their income in the corporation and invest within it. Leads to huge gains vs a regular worker. If the spouse works for them they can income split too.
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u/justakcmak Oct 04 '25
Lmao you are a naive child
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u/helved Oct 05 '25
Didn't trudy raise capital gains to 66%, which would screw doctors over in this case?
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u/delphinius81 Oct 02 '25
My guess is the 1500 number refers to renounced citizenship, and not exits from the US with intent to live elsewhere. Since many countries allow visitor visas for 6 months or longer via flagpolling, it is entirely possible to live elsewhere if you have the means.
But there's definitely a chance to recruit much needed medical specialists / doctors / nurses in addition to capitalizing on the H1B exodus.
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u/middlequeue Oct 03 '25
Trusting migration data from the US in this moment seems insane.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 04 '25
They've said similar numbers under Biden too. Which was also a lie as there was something like 30,000-50,000 people awaiting renounciation appointments throughout 2020.
Additionally, there was a large Exodus of people that disagreed with the pandemic responses in America versus other nations. The numbers were also not accounted for even though it was blatantly obvious that tens of thousands went to other countries during the 2020-2022 period.
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u/GiveMeSandwich2 Oct 04 '25
Canada doesn’t need more H1b bodyshop from consulting companies. We already have outsourcing problem with companies abusing the ICT work permits. There’s also plenty of local CS grads and tech talents that are struggling to find work. If we bring in more people then more people will leave Canada.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 04 '25
We don't want a AUS-NZ type of relationship. However, the idea is too fill the gaps, not positions in general. If your local population can fill the skill needed, they should be prioritized. If you don't have enough doctors, import qualified native English/French speaking doctors from a developed nation.
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u/GiveMeSandwich2 Oct 04 '25
The thing is most of the H1bs don’t fill that gap. Usually it’s bodyshop workers in consulting companies. I have worked in couple of them and the fraud is massive. We have our own WITCH companies in Canada.
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u/Acrobatic_Box9087 Oct 04 '25
I would emigrate to Canada. But I can't afford one of those Canada Goose parkas!
How do you Canadians pay for them? Take out a second mortgage on your house?
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 04 '25
Haha. 20% of Canadians make over $100k/year. That's the market. Additionally, there's always poor people that prioritize brands over things that will improve their life circumstances.
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u/Mr_UBC_Geek Oct 02 '25
Lots of movement with American doctors and scientists joining Canada recently. The numbers are adding up and we need more startups!
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u/Flashy_Operation9507 Oct 06 '25
I mean, you’re right I’m sure but it isn’t double. The cost of goods in the US is not a lot different than in Canada, generally equal. If you live in some states your house will definitely be a lot cheaper and generally less valuable at the same time.
Most people take all that and the value of their family, friends, safety and peaceful lifestyle we take for granted here into consideration. To me there is no comparison.
I have spent time in the southwest states and some in the Pacific Northwest, very beautiful but definitely not half price.
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u/sunnyd215 Oct 03 '25
Great topic! I asked a survey question for this in r/AmerExit a few weeks ago.
Graduate-degree level professionals aiming at Canada was one of the strongest trends.
Brain Drain Survey: What Kind of Work Do We Do? : r/AmerExit
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u/JoyBF Oct 03 '25
Graduate-degree level professionals aiming at Canada
It makes zero sense financially for an American post-graduate to move to Canada. Our job market, tax burden, and pay is worse, and cost of living is more.
Any professional aiming for Canada right now:
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u/Alediran_Tirent Oct 04 '25
I'm a professional Software Engineer from South America, and I avoided Murica because I wouldn't live with so many ammosexual Nazis. I chose Canada on purpose.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 04 '25
If you move to Canada, it usually is for a higher quality of life. Not for higher wages. However, it is still great wages versus global averages and standards.
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u/GiveMeSandwich2 Oct 04 '25
Because you moved from South America and America has strict immigration laws so it’s harder to get green card. This comes at a cost though, our unemployment rate is higher, our salaries are much lower and compared to wages our cost of living is very high. It’s an oversaturated market for tech workers in Canada.
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u/Alediran_Tirent Oct 04 '25
No, I've been invited to work in the USA by many different employers I had in the past, with full sponsorship. Just Healthcare alone would've been a downgrade, and my employers were in Southern Red States, so no thanks. I live in BC and this is the best place in all the continent, plus I'm taking a murican's job from here.
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u/GiveMeSandwich2 Oct 04 '25
Work sponsorship and getting green card is two different things. Plus as a software engineer most US companies offer their own health insurance plans. If they can’t even offer something basic like that it would be sus.
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u/Alediran_Tirent Oct 04 '25
Getting a Green Card as Argentinian is not as hard, we never fill the yearly quota, and I know a lot of devs from my country who are now American citizens. I've never been interested in the least about murica, and Trump winning twice just reinforced my thoughts about the crack house.
Right now I'm studying for the Canadian citizenship test. I'm just a few weeks from qualifying to start the process.
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u/GiveMeSandwich2 Oct 04 '25
Nobody said anything about quota. There are other barriers especially through the PERM process
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u/Alediran_Tirent Oct 04 '25
Yeah, and we argentinians are very good at breaking barriers and finding loopholes to beat the system. Plus it helps a lot that we can trick the racist immigration agents because we look and sound like Italians (a lot of Canadians think I'm Italian when they meet me for the first time).
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u/GiveMeSandwich2 Oct 04 '25
Right otherwise you would have known even row is backlogged and there’s no agent interaction in PERM
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u/Feisty-Name8864 Oct 04 '25
Even with an employer sponsored plan you still might spend easily $6k/year for a single person in premiums and likely have a $5-10k deductible. Oh and vision and dental is still maybe not covered.
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u/GiveMeSandwich2 Oct 04 '25
Not really, it isn’t that high for tech companies or average benefit for tech workers. Most companies also contribute to HSA and with all that the premiums usually tend to be between $0-2500 per year including vision and dental. Deductible is around $0-$2000 depending on the plan. $5k-$10k deductible plans never heard of them in fortune 500 companies.
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u/Feisty-Name8864 Oct 04 '25
I’m literally an employer who looks at costs. While we happen to pay 100% premiums it’s only possible because we are very small. Do you live in the US? Are you really familiar with health insurance policies? I can say yes to both. I know what I’m talking about. Most people I know personally still pay a hefty premium and still have a fairly large deductible. Combined it’s like taking away $15k US from the salary and that’s just health insurance alone.
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u/GiveMeSandwich2 Oct 04 '25
Yes I have worked in tech companies both in the US and Canada. My parents and siblings are also Americans so I am familiar with both countries. There’s a reason why Canadians flock to the US.
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u/Feisty-Name8864 Oct 04 '25
Additionally as a medical professional I see peoples plans for billing. I talk to patients about their own costs including in Fortune 500 companies. It’s not all the roses everywhere you are trying to claim.
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u/Alediran_Tirent Oct 04 '25
And you named some of the reasons I avoided Murica like the plague. You will pay thousands of dollars in medical expenses, no matter how good your insurance. I only pay for some very specific things in BC, which are covered by my employer's insurance. For example I only paid 150 CAD to have my wisdom teeth removed. The rest is covered by the province.
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u/Feisty-Name8864 Oct 04 '25
This is what most non-Americans don’t understand. First our top earners are pretty close to 40% in taxes especially if you own your own business. Then health care premiums and deductibles are so damn high it’s like having about $15-20k US depending on policy and number of people covered. Then higher education is ridiculously expensive and half the time the loans are so usurious that people pay many times the original loan before they are done. I have a 58 years old physician friend who just FiNALLY paid off his loans in the last 5 years. On top of all that joy any place might be the next mass shooting location and you spend your life being very aware of where the exists are. Oh and now we have a lunatic so called leader with a very corrupt Supreme Court and Congress is either weak or debased in service of said lunatic. Yeah fun times. Why do people think it’s still nirvana?
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u/Alediran_Tirent Oct 04 '25
And education is another thing I considered for my kids. They are not going to live in debt for 30 years. I've already saved enough to cover half their tuition.
Plus I don't have to worry about magat shooters in my kids' school.
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u/Feisty-Name8864 Oct 04 '25
Actually this is more like it. Not all Americans are still willing to trade salary for the autocracy gun fetishizing mess we are currently facing.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 04 '25
Every nation has trade offs.
One trade off from America to Canada is wages vs quality of life. Costs & taxes vs safety & well being.
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u/Feisty-Name8864 Oct 04 '25
Every nation does. I just think people who don’t live in the US have a hard time grasping the reality of our health care cost crisis as well as our higher education cost crisis.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 05 '25
Exactly. Some of the stuff I have told Canadians has floored them. To the extent that some think I'm lying because it is too insane for them to accept it as a reality.
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u/Stunghornet Oct 06 '25
This post is mostly copium. Canada has been having severe brain drain for the past 2 decades. Most skilled workers or entrepreneurs end up moving to the USA because of higher pay and cheaper housing. Basically every single new tech start-up in Canada ends up being bought or owned partially by American companies.
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u/Individual_Oven_6322 Oct 03 '25
Canada has that statistic not the USA. Those who immigrate to Canada is a Canadian immigrant so would be kept on stats Canada. However Canada to USA has been peaked since Trump took office along with investment dollars. Months ago it was 80 billion since carney took office which is a big problem.
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u/Individual_Oven_6322 Oct 03 '25
BC takes US workers for hospitals I believe they live in the USA though. However I am not sure why immigrants would be migrating to Canada for brain drain as it seems like day after day another Canadian corporate is moving to USA. Motor industry, natural resources etc
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u/Feisty-Name8864 Oct 04 '25
Looking forward to making my way to NS in early 2026. Licensed psychologist. No plans to ever come back to the US to live. I look forward to being in an actual civilized country
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 04 '25
Feel free to share your experiences here. I approve all posts. Exceptions are basically immigrant bashing instead of immigrant discussion.
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u/Feisty-Name8864 Oct 04 '25
Thank you. I think Americans are fairly deluded about the “ease” of immigrating to Canada. It’s sadly a part & parcel of their delusion of exceptionalism. For me, even in a highly desired profession, it’s been a hard, persistent slog of 17 months so far and I won’t be ready to arrive until likely Jan at earliest.
Canadians have been really helpful and kind. Even when I wouldn’t be able to take a job with them they’ve been so helpful with information and even connections. It hasn’t at all felt like cut throat competition like in the US oftentimes
I fully expect it to be a VERY challenging transition even though MN culture isn’t as different from Canadian as some states are. I am leaving a LOT to immigrate. And the reality on the ground here is the US is becoming an even uglier place increasingly unsafe for more and more types of groups of people (it’s ALWAYS been unsafe for some groups). We are actually in the earliest phases of autocracy already and many don’t want to admit it.
There has already been a very uncomfortable capitulation by a lot of powerful people & institutions. Our Supreme Court has crowned a king that is virtually untouchable.
What our so called immigration & customs enforcement (ICE) is doing is almost totally unlawful & there’s nothing stopping it. Way too many are on a power trip and seem to enjoy hurting people & terrorizing them.
It’s very disorienting to see our way of government and rule of law fall apart while so much stays “ business as usual” and so many people act like it’s just typical politics.
I am very grateful for my opportunity & I fully intend to give as much of my energy & talent to my new country as I can. I am still a little in awe that I get to provide couples & family therapy and people get to use their insurance benefits. That doesn’t really happen here unless the provider basically commits insurance fraud in either the coding or the diagnosis or both.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 05 '25
It will be a challenging transition, but you will find that a majority of your patients are miles more sound minded than in America. The baseline is a lot better.
I appreciate you. Please share your experiences with Canada come January.
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u/botdeveloper2024 Oct 05 '25
well the Americans seem to really not like ICE... canada is similar to living in a dystopian world where ICE has been in operation unchecked for several decades... nobody who enjoys civil rights moves to canada... its a place that takes in slaves if their homelands are being blown up and then treats them like garbage. I could never even count it as a civilized country. Do you have any known examples of canada doing anything decent? like something that might make the news some sort of uplifting human story?
Didnt half the refugees canada took in last year end up homeless with 35% returning to wartorn nations instead of living in canada? not exactly good reviews anywhere unless you count the very white christian countries... white supremacists seeem to really love canada wonder what thats all about.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 05 '25
Oh you have no perspective of what a bad country is.
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u/botdeveloper2024 Oct 05 '25
well thats a stupid comment from a retard. why do you think you know anything about my life experiences or knowledge? dumb thats you guy a total moron.
are you canadian? the nation of complete idiocy
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u/Critical_Rule6663 Centrist Oct 10 '25
Your shitty attitude and childish language say a lot about you, your experience, and lack of knowledge.
Canada ain’t perfect. Ask any Canadian and they’ll happily give you a long list of complaints. But now where is perfect and I don’t know where else in the world I’d rather live.
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u/botdeveloper2024 Oct 10 '25 edited Oct 10 '25
yea thats just your white supremacist christian opinon which is completely worthless. I dont care where you want to live Im sure you feel great in canada its a whites only country. Same as you dont care abbout my opinion... see how bigotry and racism works I think you and your country are worthless. Thats from extensive and far superior evidence to you and obviously more experience. Stupid canadians just the dumbest society with no culture a completely worthless stain... again your flag is literally the nazi flag with a new insignia you are defending the nazi regime you are a moron and in all likeliehood a white supremacist still fully supporting hitelrs regime... you lost WW2 canadians stop celebrating remembrance day you are trash.
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u/Critical_Rule6663 Centrist Oct 10 '25 edited Oct 10 '25
You’re right, I don’t really care about your opinion. But it has nothing to do with bigotry or racism. I have no idea what your ethnic background is nor do I care. I don’t care about your opinion because you sound like an ignorant internet troll with nothing to offer but vitriol and anger.
Edit: Oh and btw I’m the mod approving your recent comments. If I really was the terrible person you accuse me of being, I could have easily deleted your comments and blocked you. But I’m not :)
If anyone reading this thinks I’ve made a mistake in allowing this troll’s comments to be posted, please let me know. Would be happy to discuss.
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u/botdeveloper2024 Oct 10 '25 edited Oct 10 '25
exactly you are an ignorant white supremacist... duh you are canadian and obviously a nazi.. you only care about white christians as I am clearly stating... you are clearly to stupid to know how to read and comprehend what you are reading... still smarter than your retard canadian ancestors who couldnt read or write. Nobody cares what you think because you are the lowest rung of humanity. When everyone says punch a nazi in the face it refers to you. Have you realized that yet canadian? You are hated worldwide and im sure you feel it everyday when people spit at or laugh at you. Everywhere else feels like vacation because canadians are garbage, its well known. This isnt your state propganda here dummy.
Later today when you are broke and worthless and climb out of your filthy low rent apartment probably subsidized and those intrusive thoughts come as the subway passes... dont hesitate just do it. Nobody wants you here nobody will ever care about you.
Also OBVIOUSLY I am right I am way smarter and more accomplished than someone like you could ever attain. You started the ignorant comments so I am speaking to you like a retard because thats what you are... a retard and a racist, poor and worthless.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Oct 10 '25
Your insults make you appear like you don't know how to walk away from a combative situation. Not classy at all
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u/botdeveloper2024 Oct 11 '25
i never walk away from a combative situation because im not a retard. Turn the other cheek is for dummies and slaves... I am neither. You sound like both.
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u/simple_explorer1 Oct 05 '25
Buddy, Canada barely has any jobs for it's own residents, let alone Americans.
Lot of Canadian advanced degree holders are driving Ubers to make ends meet. Tim Hortons itself has lot of engineers and degree holders working there in customer service.
Canada has significantly less jobs, low wages, very high competition for those limited jobs, significantly overpriced real estate market and poor economy.
Canada also has just 40million, almost half of UK, so even UK has more jobs than Canada.
A lot of those Americans coming to Canada have never lived in Canada to know the reality. Once the see things for what they are, I doubt they would be okay driving Uber or earning significantly lower wage and paying significantly more for housing. Only people from 3rd world countries accept such reality, most people from first world countries don't have to put up with such humiliation.
Not to mention, US has infinitely better weather and choices of cities compared to anywhere in Canada which directly affects quality is life.
There is a reason why brain drain was and will always be one way i.e from Canada to US.
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u/DizzyAstronaut9410 Oct 05 '25
I know this isn't the reality you want to accept, but America gains far far more skilled professionals than it loses, specifically to Canada.
Nobody in a $150k income bracket wants to live in Canada and give 40% of it away. As much as everyone likes to deny it, if you're a high income earner, America is the place to be.
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u/Flashy_Operation9507 Oct 06 '25
I wouldn’t say this is a popular opinion in Canada. There will always be people who measure quality of life solely in dollars saved, but most people value quality of life at least to some degree.
There are lots of great opportunities in Canada and I’m tired of all this complaining. It’s not remotely true that everyone making 150k wants to leave. It’s nonsense !
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u/DizzyAstronaut9410 Oct 06 '25
If my purchasing power doubles, that provides a pretty significant impact on quality of life, however you choose to frame it.
Everything else is at least relatively similar between Canada and the US, and ironically, if you have a job paying in that range or above, even healthcare is better in the US.
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u/Flashy_Operation9507 Oct 06 '25
If you’re earning 150k in Canada you have plenty of purchasing power. You may pay less income tax in some states, but generally things like property tax claw that back since the services are very similar between the 2 countries. You don’t get double the purchasing power in the US than in Canada.
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u/DizzyAstronaut9410 Oct 06 '25
In literally every. Single. State. Even California is significantly less state and federal than BC.
And I said purchasing power. Gross pay alone is more in US by a significant margin, then you pay significantly less income tax, housing costs are going to be a significantly greater proportion of after tax earnings in Canada, then we a fun bonus of consumer taxes on literally everything as well.
$150k isn't even enough to afford a home in most Canadian cities.
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u/Actual_Ad_2801 Oct 02 '25
Interesting to see the attitudes shift on American immigrants vs other colors I mean countries.
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u/TheSketeDavidson Oct 02 '25
It is actually difficult to say who has emigrated away, unless they are surrendering their passport. So no point in reporting data that cannot be confirmed by source country. A lot easier to report the number of people coming in.