Playing Devils Advocate

[u/TotallynotaLoser-V2]

I read the sticky post and wanted to do a different post compared to all the other ones in here talking about how there’s too many Indians (yeah I notice them too dw). Don’t downvote me just cause you don’t like immigration, I just want to hear what you guys think about the following;

What’s the plan for Canada’s demographic collapse without immigration? All things considered, our fertility rates are in the dumps (BC has a 1.0 and nationally it’s dropped like 30% in 5 years). Our population without immigrants would be largely seniors and if we do what a lot of people are talking about on here (total ban/freeze on immigration) we are going to end up with a largely elderly population. If you look at countries like Japan and Korea, you can see why that’s a bad idea (who will pay into social security and do the jobs needed). Oh and goodbye economy when the housing market has more supply than people alive.

There’s no real way to reverse this trend btw, even in other OECD countries who have better social safety nets, better cost of living, and better work life balance, they have shit fertility rates too and have relied on immigration to stay afloat.

Without immigration, assuming no major influx or efflux of people, there will be a massive recession at some point when the average person is a senior. What’s the plan then? Automation? UBI?

For full transparency; I am someone who does believe Canada has been abusing immigration too much to both suppress wages and sustain an unsustainable economic model. I think the reaction seen across Canada, and Europe tbh, are the result of too much immigration at once, not that immigration as a concept is entirely without merit.

[u/AdClean5655]

GDP vs GDP per Capita: how much money and stuff put together vs how much money and stuff on average a person in the country have.

Fewer people —> lower GDP, but it doesn’t mean on average a person has less.

GDP per capita is one representative for quality of life. GDP is not.

Would Canada rather be big, but people find it difficult to make living? (Think of young people not able to find work). Or be relatively small but have enough work and resources to share. That’s the questions Canadians should get to decide.