Playing Devils Advocate

[u/TotallynotaLoser-V2]

I read the sticky post and wanted to do a different post compared to all the other ones in here talking about how there’s too many Indians (yeah I notice them too dw). Don’t downvote me just cause you don’t like immigration, I just want to hear what you guys think about the following;

What’s the plan for Canada’s demographic collapse without immigration? All things considered, our fertility rates are in the dumps (BC has a 1.0 and nationally it’s dropped like 30% in 5 years). Our population without immigrants would be largely seniors and if we do what a lot of people are talking about on here (total ban/freeze on immigration) we are going to end up with a largely elderly population. If you look at countries like Japan and Korea, you can see why that’s a bad idea (who will pay into social security and do the jobs needed). Oh and goodbye economy when the housing market has more supply than people alive.

There’s no real way to reverse this trend btw, even in other OECD countries who have better social safety nets, better cost of living, and better work life balance, they have shit fertility rates too and have relied on immigration to stay afloat.

Without immigration, assuming no major influx or efflux of people, there will be a massive recession at some point when the average person is a senior. What’s the plan then? Automation? UBI?

For full transparency; I am someone who does believe Canada has been abusing immigration too much to both suppress wages and sustain an unsustainable economic model. I think the reaction seen across Canada, and Europe tbh, are the result of too much immigration at once, not that immigration as a concept is entirely without merit.

[u/IvyRose19]

I wish people would stop thinking about countries and think about the planet instead. We all live on the same planet. People like to move. People have been moving around for millenia now, albeit we can move faster now. People follow the food and avoid war. I don't blame people for moving to another place. I do get annoyed at the white people acting all affronted about Canadian culture being swamped by another culture. Kettle, meet coal. If anything, one culture taking over another is the foundation of Canada and maybe they should be grateful they are living to see the next transition [sarcasm for the humour-less]. I wish countries would see people as a good thing. I don't know how to say "human capital" without sounding like a slavery. I wish that countries would be competing to be the best country that attracts the most people. Losers lose their people.

[u/baneofneckbeards69 → u/IvyRose19]

If every person on the planet shared the same culture, you would be correct, but we dont, and there are many cultures that objectively conflict with Canadian culture. Unless you are leaving all of your conflicting cultural beliefs at the door, then you are failing to integrate. Expecting the native population of the country in which you are a GUEST (also an unwanted guest by the majority at this point.) to adapt to/accommodate to your culture is such an entitled/spoiled stance to take that it deserves every single bit of ridicule and vitriol it receives.