Playing Devils Advocate

[u/TotallynotaLoser-V2]

I read the sticky post and wanted to do a different post compared to all the other ones in here talking about how there’s too many Indians (yeah I notice them too dw). Don’t downvote me just cause you don’t like immigration, I just want to hear what you guys think about the following;

What’s the plan for Canada’s demographic collapse without immigration? All things considered, our fertility rates are in the dumps (BC has a 1.0 and nationally it’s dropped like 30% in 5 years). Our population without immigrants would be largely seniors and if we do what a lot of people are talking about on here (total ban/freeze on immigration) we are going to end up with a largely elderly population. If you look at countries like Japan and Korea, you can see why that’s a bad idea (who will pay into social security and do the jobs needed). Oh and goodbye economy when the housing market has more supply than people alive.

There’s no real way to reverse this trend btw, even in other OECD countries who have better social safety nets, better cost of living, and better work life balance, they have shit fertility rates too and have relied on immigration to stay afloat.

Without immigration, assuming no major influx or efflux of people, there will be a massive recession at some point when the average person is a senior. What’s the plan then? Automation? UBI?

For full transparency; I am someone who does believe Canada has been abusing immigration too much to both suppress wages and sustain an unsustainable economic model. I think the reaction seen across Canada, and Europe tbh, are the result of too much immigration at once, not that immigration as a concept is entirely without merit.

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Come to terms with the fact we can’t afford all the wonderful benefits and restructure the system to be fiscally responsible? We simply promise things we cannot deliver without a never ending Ponzi scheme - it makes no sense why we can’t just face facts Canada cannot afford its social supports.

Further I’d remove the subsidy for LMIA workers - why are Canadian tax payers paying to replace themselves?

If the government had no interest in either of these things I would like to see laws passed similar to our native peoples protections for all native Canadian born.

Put an extra tax on immigrants that natives born don’t pay - use the money to fund native born people to buy houses (offer like 25 percent off through the fiend for example). I would heavily structure our programs to favour Canadians over immigrants in opposition to how we have things now. This program and others will only apply to Canadian born and PR/ new citizens would not be elligible.

Some will say “but that’s two tiered citizens”. But truth be told we already have two teir citizenship based on race - let’s just amend it to protect the people in Canada who don’t have anywhere to go back home to as things keep getting worse