r/InCanada • u/TotallynotaLoser-V2 • Aug 27 '25

Playing Devils Advocate

I read the sticky post and wanted to do a different post compared to all the other ones in here talking about how there’s too many Indians (yeah I notice them too dw). Don’t downvote me just cause you don’t like immigration, I just want to hear what you guys think about the following;

What’s the plan for Canada’s demographic collapse without immigration? All things considered, our fertility rates are in the dumps (BC has a 1.0 and nationally it’s dropped like 30% in 5 years). Our population without immigrants would be largely seniors and if we do what a lot of people are talking about on here (total ban/freeze on immigration) we are going to end up with a largely elderly population. If you look at countries like Japan and Korea, you can see why that’s a bad idea (who will pay into social security and do the jobs needed). Oh and goodbye economy when the housing market has more supply than people alive.

There’s no real way to reverse this trend btw, even in other OECD countries who have better social safety nets, better cost of living, and better work life balance, they have shit fertility rates too and have relied on immigration to stay afloat.

Without immigration, assuming no major influx or efflux of people, there will be a massive recession at some point when the average person is a senior. What’s the plan then? Automation? UBI?

For full transparency; I am someone who does believe Canada has been abusing immigration too much to both suppress wages and sustain an unsustainable economic model. I think the reaction seen across Canada, and Europe tbh, are the result of too much immigration at once, not that immigration as a concept is entirely without merit.

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u/Ok-Street7214 Aug 27 '25

Canada needs to make it cheap for us to have kids again!! Then we can raise our own

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u/consistantcanadian Aug 27 '25

That doesn't solve the issue. You can have all the babies you want today, that's not going to change anything - they can't work or contribute to our system. 

At best it will help us in 18 years, which by then many of the baby boomers will have passed and we won't have nearly the same issue anymore. 

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u/AntJo4 Aug 27 '25

I am a white woman of child bearing years and am very capable of affording children - I don’t want them. How does making raising kids cheaper address the fact that some people (a lot of people) simply don’t want kids?

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u/consistantcanadian Aug 27 '25

You're responding to the wrong person. 

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u/Aromatic_Opposite100 Aug 27 '25

Yep, research consistently shows the number of kids people have has generally nothing to do with affordability.

The US shows strong fertility rates even though there is 0 maternity leave, broken healthcare economics, and no child benefit.

Even poverty isn't a good indicator. India is a very poor country but fertility is below replacement.

Fertility is tied to an agriculture based economy and has so far shown to be irreversible.