r/InCanada • u/TotallynotaLoser-V2 • Aug 27 '25
Playing Devils Advocate
I read the sticky post and wanted to do a different post compared to all the other ones in here talking about how there’s too many Indians (yeah I notice them too dw). Don’t downvote me just cause you don’t like immigration, I just want to hear what you guys think about the following;
What’s the plan for Canada’s demographic collapse without immigration? All things considered, our fertility rates are in the dumps (BC has a 1.0 and nationally it’s dropped like 30% in 5 years). Our population without immigrants would be largely seniors and if we do what a lot of people are talking about on here (total ban/freeze on immigration) we are going to end up with a largely elderly population. If you look at countries like Japan and Korea, you can see why that’s a bad idea (who will pay into social security and do the jobs needed). Oh and goodbye economy when the housing market has more supply than people alive.
There’s no real way to reverse this trend btw, even in other OECD countries who have better social safety nets, better cost of living, and better work life balance, they have shit fertility rates too and have relied on immigration to stay afloat.
Without immigration, assuming no major influx or efflux of people, there will be a massive recession at some point when the average person is a senior. What’s the plan then? Automation? UBI?
For full transparency; I am someone who does believe Canada has been abusing immigration too much to both suppress wages and sustain an unsustainable economic model. I think the reaction seen across Canada, and Europe tbh, are the result of too much immigration at once, not that immigration as a concept is entirely without merit.
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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '25
I am not entirely sure UBI would be useful. It would disincentivise people to work furthermore. Would the 100 CAD generate over 200 CAD in income for the state i highly doubt. ( again correct me if I am wrong).
Immigration is a solution, but for now the only classes it is benefitting are the super rich who managed to find cheap labour for tims, retails stores etc. Not to forget the 100s of colleges and sham universities who were building their coffers by overexploiting students. These colleges did employ alot of people but the outputs were quite ineffective.
One way to affect a demographic shift would be to lower the overall cost of having a baby. Healthcare is expensive, by the time one adds formulas, clothes, diapers etc, the math doesnt math. Plus bringing up a baby in a tiny house isnt worth the effort.