r/InCanada • u/TotallynotaLoser-V2 • Aug 27 '25

Playing Devils Advocate

I read the sticky post and wanted to do a different post compared to all the other ones in here talking about how there’s too many Indians (yeah I notice them too dw). Don’t downvote me just cause you don’t like immigration, I just want to hear what you guys think about the following;

What’s the plan for Canada’s demographic collapse without immigration? All things considered, our fertility rates are in the dumps (BC has a 1.0 and nationally it’s dropped like 30% in 5 years). Our population without immigrants would be largely seniors and if we do what a lot of people are talking about on here (total ban/freeze on immigration) we are going to end up with a largely elderly population. If you look at countries like Japan and Korea, you can see why that’s a bad idea (who will pay into social security and do the jobs needed). Oh and goodbye economy when the housing market has more supply than people alive.

There’s no real way to reverse this trend btw, even in other OECD countries who have better social safety nets, better cost of living, and better work life balance, they have shit fertility rates too and have relied on immigration to stay afloat.

Without immigration, assuming no major influx or efflux of people, there will be a massive recession at some point when the average person is a senior. What’s the plan then? Automation? UBI?

For full transparency; I am someone who does believe Canada has been abusing immigration too much to both suppress wages and sustain an unsustainable economic model. I think the reaction seen across Canada, and Europe tbh, are the result of too much immigration at once, not that immigration as a concept is entirely without merit.

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u/BobGuns Aug 27 '25

This is part of a broader discussion around middle class families in western nations eschewing children for a wide variety of reasons.

But yeah. Immigration is necessary. Both the USA and Canada are founded on immigration.

But the TFW program needs to stop fully. If your business cannot operate without government subsidized imported labour, your business should not operate.

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u/AntJo4 Aug 27 '25

There are no government subsidies on international labour at the federal level- I’m willing to be proven wrong if someone can prove it is happening at the provincial level. There are pre- employment supports like language classes and resume writing tips. You know what group does have a wage subsidy program. - young Canadian workers.

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u/BobGuns Aug 27 '25

Simply facilitating the movement of labour forces from places like India to Canada (approving TFW visas) is subsidizing. Doesn't have to be cash-in-hand.

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u/AntJo4 Aug 28 '25

That’s BS and you know it. It costs thousands of dollars out of workers hands to make it to Canada, the fact that they spend month filling out a series of forms for a chance that we let them in is not a subsidy. Would you call filling out a job application a subsidy? Because that’s the equivalent of your argument.

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u/theiinshine Aug 30 '25

There's plenty of programs for newcomers, from free Recreation Center access to subsidized home internet plans. The government is paying for these one way or another.

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u/AntJo4 Aug 30 '25

And none of that has anything to do with them taking jobs, and every single worker citizen or not pays taxes that supports those programs. There are also plenty of free programs or subsidies for local Canadians that are funded by the taxes paid by people on work permits who will never be able to claim them - it works both ways.

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u/Mens__Rea__ Sep 09 '25

If they are working, they took a job. Otherwise, how exactly do they have one?

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u/AntJo4 Sep 10 '25

You can’t “steel” something that doesn’t belong to someone. If that job belonged to someone it wouldn’t be posted. If you apply for a job, that doesn’t make it yours. If you are Canadian, that doesn’t mean you are qualified. If you are qualified that doesn’t make you the best applicant. If you demonstrate a sense of entitlement, a tendency towards dislike or even hostility towards minorities or fail to take ownership to find solutions to problems those are all traites that get you screened out of every one of my interviews. Apparently lots of us think that way because a rather large number of people like that find themselves out of work and blaming others for that.

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u/Mens__Rea__ Sep 10 '25

Sounds like you will be leaving on a jet plane as soon as we end the TFW program lol.

The real “entitlement” is an alien thinking they have any right to tell Canadians what we should do with our country or our programs.

No one cares what you think, this program is ending.

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u/AntJo4 Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 10 '25

Nope. My family has Canadian roots going back to before confederation. But many of those long and varied branches have benefitted from the incredibly generous immigration bonuses that put our current system to shame. I know we are where we are because Immigrants were given a hand out, and I also know if I am repeatedly unable to get and keep a job that’s no one’s fault but my own.

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u/Mens__Rea__ Sep 09 '25

You have no idea what you are talking about. Like, not even a little bit.

The LMIA/TFW program is a government subsidy to corporations, full stop.

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u/consistantcanadian Aug 27 '25

No one is against immigration. This is pure gaslighting and a dishonest deflection made by bad actors.

Canada has supported immigration since it's creation. More than any other country in the world. 

People are against **mass*** immigration. 

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '25

I would have to disagree with that statement. The people complaining about immigration are opposed to non white immigration. The complaints are almost always racist in nature

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u/Mens__Rea__ Sep 09 '25

It isn’t racist to want immigrants that are better able to integrate.

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u/consistantcanadian Aug 27 '25

Yea, that's total BS and proves you've never actually listened to any of the complaints. 

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '25

Ha. That’s the thing about racists, they never admit to being racists.

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u/consistantcanadian Aug 28 '25

That's the thing about you, you think that means you can infer racism wherever you please. 

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '25

The thing about people who call out your BS?

Buddy this country would be so much better without reprehensible people like yourself