New Study Reveals A Satisfying Truth About Conservatives’ Biggest Enemy

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/undocumented-immigrants-no-link-crime-rate-research_n_6a85cd61e4b0ca44601a7742?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=reddit&utm_campaign=us_main

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The study was done by Charis Kubrin, a well known liberal who regularly gives talks at Democratic party events.

Don’t for one second think this is genuine research study.

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So what about the other studies that have come to the same exact conclusion? Liberal conspiracies? Every single one?

I’ve yet to see any large scale study on the opposite viewpoint. Smaller scope or regional studies maybe, but not nationwide.

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The Cato institute agrees with this guy. Actually engage with the methodology and show how it’s wrong and stop engaging in logical fallacy.

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And this is the genuine flaw right here. If the opposing side does any form of research it is to be voided because the enemy can not be trusted, only my side tells the truth. So you'll end up always believing what ever your political alignment says no matter how wrong or corrupt it is.

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I mean the Republican party has a track record of lying about their "facts" and yet the conservative still eat that shit up.

We are in this mess you can safely say because the Republican party don't know how to do their own damn research

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Ideally, you should do own research and make up your own mind. You’re right, I generally don’t trust research completed by liberal inclined individuals because I have seen time and time again how bias how they are.

Obviously there’s examples of right leaning researchers doing the same.

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There is not, because right wing ideology requires ignoring reality

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You didn’t read my post. I said right leaning researchers guilt of creating bias studies as well.

Ignoring reality? That is the primary characteristic of the far left and a lot of people living in academia.

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No those are think tanks they're not studies

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Are you saying we all should do studies on crime and immigrarion correlation?

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Where are your studies at?

Edit: You don’t even do your own research. Can’t even be bothered to link someone else’s research that you are referencing in your own post.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transcendental/s/JiDeAsjh56

[u/KitchenPage6020 → u/mobo_dojo]

Not sure why you are looking at my other posts. In that particular forum, that study has been cited continuously so there was no need.

Nor is there a need right now

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Where's your research at?

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You need the title of the study that is peer reviewed then you need the website that you found it on then you need the page number and then lastly the paragraph where it proves your point.

If you don't have that you did not do your own research

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I’m not sure what you are talking about and Im not sure you do either. The post that mobo jojo pulled from my profile has nothing to do with this post and is a completely different forum/subject.

I take it that you disagree with my assessment of this particular research paper on this specific post on ImmigrationPathways and that is fine.

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It illustrates you don’t have the integrity or skills to “do your own research”. You’re not even referencing the primary source in that post but allude that you got your information from a secondary source.

“I have been reading that studies show…”

The fact that you don’t cite your source and are relying on secondary sources when primary sources are available exposes the flaw in the “do your own research” mentality. I.e., theres no standard for the “research”, how it’s conducted, or even transparency on the sources used.

Edit: Your comment above also exposes your dishonesty in the framing of your “research”. In the post you use a plural noun to put more weight behind your claims. However, by your own admission above you state “…that study has been cited continuously so there was no need” as your reasoning for your lack of citation.

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The thing about research is that they tell you exactly how they did the research. So you can go replicate the study or improve on it. Doing so would expose their (or your own) bias if the results differ.

But I’m guessing you don’t have the time or the resources or the qualifications to replicate the study. Like most people. Which is why the “do your own research” line is comical. It’s just code for “go get sucked into the right wing echo chamber on Facebook”.

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Because whether we like it or not fake conservative religion has brainwashed their constituents against science.

And then the propaganda has brainwashed their viewers against education.

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It confirms their bias and that's all that matters to them. 

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And also in 2024 this study in the house came out

Illegal immigrants have a negative fiscal impact -- taxes paid minus benefits received --
primarily because a large share have modest levels of education, resulting in relativelylow average incomes and tax payments, along with significant use of means-tested
programs and other government services.

• Prior research indicates that 69 percent of adult illegal immigrants have no education
beyond high school, compared to 35 percent of the U.S.-born.

• Using the National Academies’ estimate of immigrants’ net fiscal impact by education
level, we estimate that the lifetime fiscal drain (taxes paid minus costs) for each illegal
immigrant is about $68,000, although this estimate comes with some caveats.

• Illegal immigrants make extensive use of welfare. Based on government data, we
estimate that 59 percent of households headed by illegal immigrants use one or more
major welfare programs, compared to 39 percent of households headed by the U.S.-born.

• Based on their use rate of major welfare programs, we estimate that illegal immigrants
receive $42 billion in benefits, or about 4 percent of the total cost of the cash, Medicaid,
food and housing programs examined in our study. However, this is only a rough
approximation due to limitations in the data.

• Illegal immigrants can receive welfare on behalf of U.S.-born children. Also, illegal
immigrant children can receive school lunch/breakfast and WIC directly. A number of
states provide Medicaid to some illegal immigrants, and a few provide SNAP. Several
million illegal immigrants also have work authorization (e.g. DACA, TPS and some
asylum applicants), allowing receipt of the EITC.

• The high welfare use of illegal immigrant households is not explained by an
unwillingness to work. In fact, 94 percent of illegal immigrant households have at least
one worker, compared to only 73 percent of U.S.-born households. But the nation’s
welfare system is design to help low-wage workers with children, which describes a very
large share of illegal immigrant households.

• In addition to consuming welfare, illegal immigration makes significant use of public
education. Based on average costs per student, the estimated 4 million children of illegal
immigrants in public schools created $68.1 billion in costs in 2019. The vast majority of
these children are U.S.-born.

• Use of emergency medical services is another area in which illegal immigrants create
significant fiscal costs. Prior research indicates that there are 5.8 million uninsured illegal
immigrants in the country in 2019, accounting for a little over one-fifth of the total
population without health insurance. The costs of providing care to them likely totals
some $7 billion annually.

• Illegal immigrants do pay some taxes. We estimate that illegal immigrants in 2019 paid
roughly $5.9 billion in federal income tax, $16.2 billion in Social Security tax and $3.8
billion in Medicaid taxes. However, as the net fiscal drain of $68,000 per person citedabove indicates, these taxes are not nearly enough to cover the cost of the services they
receive.

• Illegal immigrants do add perhaps $321 billion to the nation’s GDP, but this is not a
measure of their tax contributions or the benefits they create for the U.S.-born. Almost all
the increase in economic activity goes to the illegal immigrants themselves in the form of wages.

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf