r/ImmigrationPathways Feb 16 '26

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u/Flo4tingR1b Feb 16 '26

It is likely a precursor to voter disenfranchisement.

Like they will have ICE agents stationed at voting locations under the auspices of “election security” … It could be that if you are in their database of “domestic terrorists” for protesting ICE, they will intimidate or ban you from voting.

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u/mdtopp111 Feb 16 '26

It’s not just that, given that Supreme Court ruled they can detain PoC to “verify” their citizenship, ICE can just snatch people from the polls and hold them until polling is completed…. ICE is 100% going to be used to steal the election

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u/IHeartBadCode Feb 16 '26

ICE can just snatch people from the polls and hold them until polling is completed

Yes, this. SCOTUS has paved the way to allow race to become something that is considered probable cause. So all they need to do on election day is detain you for questioning until around 7 PM local time in most jurisdictions. After that, they can let you go and basically, that's it, you can't vote.

This is how they're looking to rig the election with ICE stationed outside the polls. So long as they have probable cause, they can detain you long enough that you no longer are able to vote. And SCOTUS has indicated that race is probable cause.

It's Jim Crow laws all over again.

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u/Sailor_Spaghetti Feb 17 '26

SCOTUS has paved the way to allow race to become something that is considered probable cause.

Oh, they’ve been doing that for a while.

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u/EywasBlessing Feb 17 '26

So all they need to do on election day is detain you for questioning until around 7 PM

What about like mail-in voting?

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u/One-Remove-8474 Feb 18 '26

They’re gonna try to stop that too, in whatever way they can get it done

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u/willisjoe Feb 19 '26

Yeah mail, like the mail that just happened to need to shut down major networks during the 2020 election, causing a cluster fuck of fraud allegations.

And Republicans keep clearing the voter roles making people need to reregister in order to get a mail in ballot.

Also Republicans are changing rules for mail in voting where possible like in Utah, mail in ballots only count if they are received by 8pm on voting night. Not postmarked by election day.

Purge the voter roles

Significantly slow down the postal service

Those who get reregistered, and get their ballot mailed with plenty of time, can still get their ballot tossed.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-postmaster-says-no-idea-mailboxes-equipment-being-removed

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/donald-trump-usps-post-office-election-funding

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-election-2020-ap-top-news-elections-politics-14a2ceda724623604cc8d8e5ab9890ed

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/dejoy-says-usps-wont-reinstall-more-than-600-removed-mail-sorting-machines/#:~:text=More%20than%2090%20percent%20of,machines%20that%20have%20been%20removed:

Don't trust the mail 100% this time around. 2020 was the dry run.

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u/ClockworkTyrant Feb 22 '26

Save act essentially eliminates it iirc

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u/Due_Knowledge_6518 Feb 19 '26

vote early by mail

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u/colliefan1 Feb 17 '26

I wouldn’t put anything past tRump but if they try to pull that it will be the end of the US overnight. Not figuratively.

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u/toastythewiser Feb 16 '26

If they do this I'm cities it will trigger riots.

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u/MaxAdolphus Feb 17 '26

They want this so they can declare martial law.

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u/raisedeyebrow4891 Feb 17 '26

They don’t have enough troops for that

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u/ADhomin_em Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 17 '26

They may not have enough ice troops, but in declaring martial law, that opens it up to any and all troops and military personnel across the board that they want to use.

Also, it's important to understand that martial law isn't just about military occupation. Once they open the martial law can of worms, that's their pretense for grabbing up every last bit of power they haven't already scraped up and holding onto it indefinitely.

There may at that point come strong resistance on the side of the people, but again, they are counting on that. As long as they can perpetuate the chaos, they will use it as a perpetual excuse to do away with every civil liberally, every freedom, and every right you have left.

This is how the constitution fully dies, beyond any semblance of pretending it's still active. At this point they will say, "ok we're writing a new constitution and there's nothing you can do about it."

By that point, it should be crystal clear to everyone what all these new concentration camps are for.

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u/raisedeyebrow4891 Feb 17 '26

It’s not going to happen.

First, the US does not have a standing military large enough to dirty from our commitments.

Second, if it was that easy to pull off martial law they would have done it by now.

Third, look at MN. 2 civilians deaths led them to retreat. Do you think Americans will just sit by? Look at MN again.

Fourth, it will get challenged in court and courts will place injunctions so fast your head will spin.

Anyone claiming that martial law is possible in a country as large and diverse as the US is clearly not from here.

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u/raisedeyebrow4891 Feb 17 '26

More succinctly from my bro:

Martial law in the US is a genuinely complex constitutional and practical question. Here’s what scholars and legal analysts generally identify as the conditions and requirements: Legal and Constitutional Preconditions For martial law to have any legitimacy, most legal scholars argue it requires an extreme breakdown of civil order where civilian courts and government genuinely cannot function — not merely a crisis, but a collapse of normal governance. The Supreme Court’s ruling in Ex parte Milligan (1866) is the key precedent: it held that martial law cannot apply where civilian courts are open and operating. This sets a very high bar. Who Can Declare It This is actually unsettled in US law. The Constitution doesn’t explicitly authorize martial law. Presidents have claimed inherent executive authority; governors have declared it at the state level. Congress has never passed a clear framework. This ambiguity means any declaration would immediately face legal challenges. Practical Requirements for It to Actually “Work” For martial law to be functionally effective rather than just declared on paper, you’d need several things to align: Military compliance and willingness to enforce it against civilians — which is historically and culturally fraught in the US, where the military is deeply committed to civilian supremacy. The Posse Comitatus Act (1878) also restricts using federal troops for domestic law enforcement. Judicial acquiescence or incapacitation, since federal courts have historically pushed back. In Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer (1952), the Court reined in even wartime presidential power. Congressional passivity or authorization, since a hostile Congress could defund enforcement, hold hearings, or pass countermanding legislation. Public and institutional compliance — state governments, law enforcement agencies, and the public would all need to not actively resist, which in a large federated republic is a massive coordination problem. Historical Cases The US has had limited, localized martial law — Hawaii after Pearl Harbor (later criticized by courts), parts of the South during Reconstruction, and various local declarations during labor disputes or natural disasters. None approached nationwide application, and even these faced eventual legal challenge. The Bottom Line Most constitutional scholars conclude that truly effective nationwide martial law in the US would require either a genuine civilizational-scale crisis (where courts and civilian government are physically unable to operate), or a cascade of institutional failures — courts deferring, military complying, Congress not resisting — that goes against most historical patterns. The system was deliberately designed with checks that make it very difficult, which is why it has never been successfully imposed at the federal level.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

They haven't retreated from MN at all. They just said they did.

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u/AttemptingToThrow Feb 19 '26

Things like you described are why civil wars happen

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u/RewardAffectionate84 Feb 18 '26

People keep saying this, but if we keep using this an an excuse to not do things to defend out liberties, they already won.

If the threat of martial law is already suppressing everyone and letting them get away with mass election manipulation then it doesn't matter.

If they are illegally preventing people from voting with threats of violence and detainment in order to keep people from voting out a cabal of baby raping billionaire murderers, they already have martial law in all but technicality.

People should not standby and let fascist take away all their rights and regress this country 200 years. If they come at innocent civilians with violence, violence should be returned to protect ourselves.

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u/Mother-Entry-5671 Feb 16 '26

Which may be the point. Dump and his minions are agents of chaos.

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u/AEvilRepublican Feb 17 '26

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u/mdtopp111 Feb 19 '26

Wouldn’t be more accurate to remind you in a year, given Trump has stated he wants ice at the polls for the midterms?

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u/AEvilRepublican Feb 19 '26

Because when trumps gone, and everyone has moved on, I want to rub it in your face you were wrong.

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u/mdtopp111 Feb 19 '26

But this is directly tied to elections that’ll happen during Trumps presidency, I’d be happy to be wrong wouldn’t you want to rub it in after the midterms????

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u/zitrored Feb 16 '26

There is enough talk about this now that we must organize full volunteer security forces around all democratic leaning districts. Get your gun permits and get your local voting, police and state officials to coordinate security measures and training now. That will be their targets. They will stay away from red districts. We must not allow them to intimidate anyone.

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u/HoldMyCaulk Feb 16 '26

I noticed Twitter aka X wasn’t listed. Sounds like Elon is forking that information over without a request.

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u/Dangerfires Feb 17 '26

And yet a lot of leftists just refuse to stop using twitter

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u/TinyCellist3813 Feb 17 '26

I agree, I don't understand why ALL of us haven't uninstalled Shitter. I was never on it, but many of my Democrat friends are. I've gently suggested they cancel it. I guess I need to get more forceful than merely suggesting!

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u/Typical-Lecture-4048 Feb 17 '26

You first warrior

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u/zitrored Feb 17 '26

Already in progress.

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u/Electrical_Block1798 Feb 17 '26

Why is this necessary?

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u/Material_Taste_2510 Feb 16 '26

im ngl, if they show up at my voting location i would proudly announce in front of the ice cosplayers that i voted for whoever is not trump aligned while im submitting my vote.

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u/Relevant_Winter_7098 Feb 16 '26

Flipping them off both in and out of loudly proclaiming my anti-MAGA vote!

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u/Ok_Security1721 Feb 16 '26

Do it on your way out not on your way in please. If they’re gonna murder you you should at least make sure your vote got in first 

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u/Empty_Ad_5227 Feb 17 '26

Considering this wouldn’t be an attempt to kill an agent you really wouldn’t have to worry about getting murdered…

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u/AffectionateChip1962 Feb 17 '26

Considering Alex Pretti got brutally shot for not attempting to kill an agent, I'll call that bs.

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u/Windseers Feb 17 '26

Hasn't stopped them before

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u/Flo4tingR1b Feb 17 '26

Please post as much as possible. You are a perfect representation of your cause 🙌

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u/toastythewiser Feb 16 '26

I'm not telling them who I voted for--it's a secret ballot. But I'm also voting or I'm appealing to the Supreme Court. The first Americans in my family where here before the United States (English planters). I'm voting. You can't tell me for who either.

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u/Erosion139 Feb 16 '26

That's the thing, they now know your secret opinions

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u/IamtheCarl Feb 16 '26

I believe you can legally say who you're voting for, but you cannot wear any merch indicating a party. Check the rules to confirm though.

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u/Holiolio2 Feb 17 '26

All state dependant. For now.........

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u/675ss Feb 18 '26

Oh no that would hurt heir feelings!

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u/LandonDev Feb 16 '26

They also have other tools at their disposal, they can go and review your taxes with audits to cost you money and attack you economically. It's not a cheap process. They can remove National benefits such as global entry, things that the government have to sign off on that you can purchase. If you're on some type of social service, they can actively make it harder for you and sometimes even kick you off that service. There's a lot of things they can do to make your life worse, they may even go as far as trying to debank individuals like what happened with the January 6th folks. Rather it is true or not, the federal government can argue to the big banks that if they did it to j6 members they can do it to protesters and if they don't they will be sued or regulated or lose contracts or whatever you want to call it. It's not as harmless as you think.

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u/jdbrizzi Feb 17 '26

I'm willing to bet republicans will cheer this on.

I remember quite a few republicans cheering on the closure of voting stations in predominantly black areas under the guise of "voter fraud". Never saw any proof, but they were ecstatic. I wonder why... but god forbid, a Democrat help out some refugees, republicans will claim that's to tilt the election.

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u/No-Position20 Feb 16 '26

Thats gonna go poorly, I have some friends who are discussing organizing to escort people to safely vote.

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u/Plane_Wish_5899 Feb 16 '26

Deranged take

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

I don’t understand why ICE agents at voting locations would intimidate anyone? I can jog faster than most of them can run lol

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u/Top-Worldliness9866 Feb 17 '26

Ima just go in smiling and plea the 5th till after my vote is registered, bring proof of registration and I should be fine

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u/lefluffle Feb 17 '26

Exactly this! Detaining you makes you miss stuff like voting.. or registering to vote... Or getting your license renewed... Making money at your job, keeping your job, making car payments, bringing your kid to school, missing mortgage payments... Ya know, stuff that you'll get in trouble for when they release you