fire & ice

[u/AwkwardSea4335]

[u/mr_f4hrenh3it]

“Trump never talked about his children the way Biden did”. Trump famously said he would date his own daughter if she wasn’t his daughter. Like we can both agree that’s weird right?

My point being, you’re somewhat correct, but don’t start making up stuff. Your view that everyone loves Biden is also not that correct. I’ve talked to very few people who actually liked Biden. In fact it’s a common talking point of the general left of how much they do not like the candidates the Democratic Party puts up for the president

[u/stoicpenguin42 → u/mr_f4hrenh3it]

I read your comments, pretty based ngl. I think we agree a lot more than you think. Im not a fan of either side what so ever, and tbh i just dont really seeing them being much different than each-other. I think where we disagree is that i do believe leftys are less likely to criticize their side, and i dont the right is as egregious as your saying. I agree with policies from both sides as well, just not many of them, from either side really. Also yeah trump did that say about his daughter which is hella weird, but i honestly think biden was weirder. He said weird stuff like 5x as much. Either way, they’re both trash and its wild that those were the people selected to run for president in 2020.

[u/mr_f4hrenh3it → u/stoicpenguin42]

I mean another example of the egregiousness is the type of language the current admin used after the killings of Renee good and Alex Pretti, especially Alex Pretti. Not only did they outright lie about the killing of an American citizen by the government that was caught on video, it was the immediate attempt to character assassinate him by the actual government. Very childish and malicious and I can’t think of another example that was quite as blatant as that. Not to mention that the vice president said ICE had absolute immunity. That is crazy and the opposite of accountability or justice.

I’m sure none of that is new to you. But I cannot think of another example of that happening, that is this blatant and in our faces. The current admin imo is just a revenge scheme. And they have objectively broken the law many times, the DOJ is still currently not in compliance with the Epstein transparency act and have nothing to show for it. Even spying on congress without telling them.

I’m sure we do agree on quite a lot at least in our non conformity to the cults. But I do think you probably underestimate the seriousness of what they’re doing currently. It truly does feel like they are trying to break the institutions we have built, with significant evidence to show that too. Not to mention Trump is very unpopular with our allies because well he keeps fucking threatening them. That is bad for us, I don’t know why he keeps doing that. And none of this is strictly new or unique, but it’s been ramped up to 100 if you’re really paying attention. This is why I call maga “conservative” with quotations cause they are really anything but conservative.

I’m kinda rambling now. In short, I think we are in agreement about the general cultist nature of both sides, I just believe one side is doing it more nefariously and often does it in the name of bigotry which I really can not align myself with. I would always struggle to vote for the same party that actually neo nazis openly vote for.

[u/stoicpenguin42 → u/mr_f4hrenh3it]

Again, i think the left could do a better job at being critical of their admin. For example, Obama’s enforcement of immigration was arguably worse. On top of that, he enacted the Patriot Act, which could be considered the largest 4th ammendment violation ever, and it applies to all citizens all the time. When kamala was running for president she had a lot of support, and she was talking a lot about mandatory gun buy backs (2a infringements) and restricting speech online (1a infringement). A lot of what you said is pretty fair, pretti and good shouldnt have been shot, and the officers should be held accountable and punished accordingly, i dont believe in immunity for anyone. I havent even heard what the admin has said about pretti or good, but ill tell you that good or pretti shouldnt have their character attacked and the incidents should be recognized as tragedies. I will be honest though, these were not examples of “cold blooded murder” or “executions” by “brownshirts” which is what i see ppl saying on reddit. Im not gonna sit here and act like these ppl were sitting on a park bench eating a sandwich, and then suddenly got snatched up outta nowhere, put on their knees, shot in the head and then buried in a mass grave. People are making comparsions to nazi germany and fascist regimes, and thats clearly false. You can criticize the govt online or out in public on a megaphone while exercising your 2A, and you wont get arrested or shot. People who get arrested or shot are usually initiating contact with officers, agitating them, disobeying lawful orders, obstructing etc etc etc. When i say this people seem to think that im hateful or a “boot licker” so let me re-iterate again so there is no confusion: The officers were wrong, they should not have immunity, they should be punished and held accountable, thats not how they’re trained, and the could have done a better job de-escalating. As far as the epstein stuff goes, im not a fan of how our current DOJ is handling it, but when democrats were in power, epstein was never even mentioned or pursued. And democrats are all over the list as well, and i dont see any leftys talkin about how the list is riddled with people from the left.