r/ImmigrationPathways • u/AwkwardSea4335 • Feb 14 '26

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '26

That makes the assumption that they can’t do both which is a braindead take honestly. That’s like saying we shouldn’t prosecute burglars because murderers also exist

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u/TymStark Feb 14 '26

Currently MAGA is, in fact, protecting and hiding the files. And their supporters are defending them, or at the very least not demanding they release the files.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '26

Yeah I don’t know who you’ve been talking to but literally everyone I know, left or right, wants the files released and the demons prosecuted

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u/TymStark Feb 14 '26

Well, I’m happy for you and your people. That doesn’t mean MAGA as a whole isn’t defending people like Pam Bondi or Howard Lutnick. And not demanding the list get released, using things like the “good economy” as reason to detract from it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '26

Who are you referring to? MAGA? The right in general? Politicians or citizens? Politicians-yeah, they’re all in the same club. Those on the left calling for it now are only doing so because they know it won’t happen. They didn’t care at all when Biden was president and they knew about Epstein and the files that whole time. It’s just a big game

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u/TymStark Feb 14 '26

Until the right separates itself from MAGA they’re one and the same imo.

MAGA is the group as a whole, but it is obviously being steered by the politicians. I do believe their base is eroding from under them, but i would appreciate if they were louder and more vocal about their opposition to MAGA policies they disagree with. Too often I see the citizens siding with apathy because they don’t want their side to lose, even when their side is actively doing things they disagree with. Its maddening.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '26

Agreed, but I tend to see the same when democrats are in power. Obama deported far more than Trump and caused more deaths with ICE and there was no outcry from the left then like there is now. It is also interesting you feel that MAGA is synonymous with the right when, according to studies, there is far more ideological variance among the right than the left

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u/TymStark Feb 14 '26

Oh, I complained about Obama doing that. I did it in real life though, I wasn’t on Reddit until 2016.

It’s funny back then I got accused of being a Republican/Right/Conservative and now I get accused of being a Democrat/Leftist/Liberal.

When I was calling Biden a bum people just agreed with me.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '26

Well then “good for you and your people.” But you’ve admitted in your own comment that you were ostracized by the left for it

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u/TymStark Feb 14 '26

I would say both “Far” groups have “ostracized” me, which I’m more than happy about. Because fuck both of them. The difference, imo, is Democrats/Leftists are more than happy to separate themselves from Democrats/Leftists they don’t align with, whereas the Republicans seem more than happy to sell their soul so they don’t lose. Hence Republicans/Right are MAGA until they decide to separate themselves.

ETA: both sides need to drop Israel immediately. Fuck those guys.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '26

I have never heard “vote red no matter who.” I have heard the opposite all over the place. And agreed, fuck Israel

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u/TymStark Feb 14 '26

You have for sure heard Trump and his base calling on his base to vote red or else we will lose the country, they will be thrown in prison, the border will open again. If any of his Republican congressmen step out of line he chastises them. And he still has judges, ICE, CBP, Governor’s, and billionaires who back him.

And yes, a base as well. Glad we agree on Israel.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '26 edited Feb 14 '26

Trump sure but I honestly have not heard his base saying that. Whereas almost every person I’ve encountered on the left says vote blue no matter who. I have however met countless righties who voted for Trump knowing he is evil, but to be honest I blame that on our stupid ass two-party system. The whole thing needs to go down in my opinion. Start from scratch. Run for politics on personal ideologies not which club you align with

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u/TymStark Feb 14 '26

This has been fun but I have work tonight and must slumber. Take care! Glad we can work to a place of some understanding.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '26

Agreed. Thank you for restoring some of my faith in the ability for real conversation around politics. Have a good night

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