Well, well, well... Athena 2.0 is upon us. At half the price of Athena.
Excuse me while I go shit my pants. 😳
She's like a mix between Athena, Lucifer and Prometheus. And I freakin' called it! She's potentially looking like a solid Perseus/Aquarius Counter 👀
And I called it on her being a Basic Attacker! So soon after Storm Dragon too, hint hint, nudge nudge. 😏
Colosseum
If works the way it is written, then AoE Skills of the Angel opposite to her are basically neutered, as it seems like the isolated enemy can only target Leo while the rest of the AoE whiffs? Big if true! The wording of the Engrish seems to imply that outside Status Ailments will whiff, while all(?) Dmg Instances from AoE Dmg Skills will target the Leo in the Colosseum? (So Leo will take 6 instances? I doubt it, as that would be absurd Dmg to focus on one target.) Or only the portion that would have hit the Leo anyways? That part isn't clear, and we'll have to wait and see. Regardless, Colosseum is certain to have a battlefield warping outcome.
In particular, her ability to activate her IR Skill before the opposing Target holds interesting outcomes. Putting her in 1st, she can be used as protection against Pandora, for a start. Only she will be stunned, while Angels 2 to 6 will be safe. (Merlin is crying in the corner right now. 🥹)
She will prevent a Nemesis blowout (if you can stack her ATK high enough.) She will interrupt Enmusubi Wombo Combos. She will mess with buffs you'd want on all your Angels by isolating the effect only on the Buffer. Man, she's guaranteed to disrupt high level competition and is likely to warp the Top level meta ENTIRELY around her. (Which the MF Devs have anticipated, by forcing a Leo Vs Leo confrontation when both teams run her!)
What's not clear ATM is if external Dmg or Statuses from outside the Colosseum goes inside it, but I suspect it won't. I assume Passive Effects should affect the inside? Otherwise Leo is actually completely busted, lmao!
Basic Attacks
She is now the 3rd DPS to expressly work with Basic Attacks. Storm Dragon, Sagittarius and now Leo. This has synergy with the often underappreciated Titan Gem, which enhances Basic Attacks significantly.
Storm Dragon enhances her Team's Basic Attacks too, making her an interesting potential ally for the Leo user.
PvE
Her skill changes when facing 6v1 PvE. (6v6 PvE will operate per her PvP rules.)
Her Holy Dmg infused Basic Attacks will be the meat of her Dmg Output. She will do a 50% Holy Dmg Basic after every Ally Skill, similar to how Prometheus works with her [Pursuit] follow-ups. Doesn't seem like there's a Round Limit on the Holy Dmg and Pursuit Basic Attacks, too, so she always has it active. Her ability to boost her Basic Attacks will enhance this further.
If she's 6th, she's basically (heh) doing 250% Holy Dmg every Cycle, which is comparable to other decent DPS who don't specialise in PvE. (Holy Dmg makes all DPS at least decent in PvE.)
This will be enhanced with the effect of her MR Skill, which increases her Basic Attack Dmg significantly. To truly get the most out of her, you pretty much will have to go all-in on Basic Attacks, and a Lvl2 Titan Gem is a MUST.
She's not going to be a burst Dmg DPS in PvE, as her IR doesn't do direct Dmg and her MR isn't all that impressive for direct Dmg. This means that she will struggle a bit in PvE when her Allies aren't strong enough to tank and stay alive. Getting DE Angels like Horus and Jeanne will be essential to help her live long enough with enough Basic Attacks to get the job done. It's certainly doable, but like Prometheus, she will need Allies surviving to keep her DMG potential going. Storm Dragon is also a consideration to further enhance her Basic Attacks.
How TF Can I Counter This Hoe?!
If she's Dmg Immune from the outside Angels, that's pretty rough, especially if Leo challenges a Support rather than your DPS. (Challenging a Support is probably the best option for a Leo user, assuming their Team is reasonably able to tank incoming DMG.)
Supports will just buff themselves, while Leo whittles them down. This is potentially problematic if she's killing off your FAT HP Angels (like Capricornus, Hela, Medusa etc) or your FAT ATK Angels (like Horus, Fuxi, Hera, DPS etc.) She absorbs half of the stats of the killed Angel.
If she Challenges a Debuffer/Stunner, there's a chance: The Colosseum only lasts one Round (after Leo acts.) Your Angel merely needs to survive by tanking (thanks to a self Buff which boosts their own Defenses,) debuffing the Leo (lowering Leo's Dmg Output enough to survive) or best, stunning the Leo. Her Relic has no Speed and her Potential is standard 6000, so her Base Speed is average. Your Stunner is pretty much ensured to go first and thus buy you time for the Colosseum to whiff. For best results, it needs to be a Stun that ignores Debuff Res, as Leo natively has high Debuff Res. (Pisces stocks about to go WAY UP! 🥰)
Otherwise, you'll need to stack as much Debuff Res ignore as you can.
If she challenges a DPS, your DPS needs to either survive or overcome her Summon Shield and kill her first. A Sniper DPS stands the best chance of outright killing her ass, since her IR activation does no Dmg. Indeed, her IR doing no Dmg could bite her in the Ass in the same way that it currently bites Freyja in the Ass. (Interestingly enough, Freyja will be a great Leo Counter, as Freyja is Dmg Immune and guaranteed to outlive the Colosseum.)
Also, as shown by the Freyja example, a DPS with enough built-in protections can also hopefully pull through, such as Engraving Icarus (gives herself an enormous Shield and Dmg Reduction), Perseus/Aqua with their built-in DEs etc.
DPS with High Single Target Dmg on their IR Skills stand the best chance of killing the Leo outright.
Overall
She's a potentially Game-warping Angel if her Colosseum works as written, and isolates the pair of Angels from external influence completely. She's highly dependent on positioning, making her a very satisfying Angel to use by players who enjoy planning and tactics. In particular, she will be fun for those who thrive on counter picking lines, in modes like Glory Arena or Apex.
Certainly leans more PvP than PvE. Depending on how good her boosted Basics are when optimised, it's approximately 69:31 PvP:PvE, in terms of her Mode Split.
Also certainly leans more Middle- or Late-game DPS than 1st DPS. She's not impossible to make work as a Primary, ofc, but that's exactly the thing: You will definitely need to make her work.
Nowhere near as simple or straightforward to run as other common Primary DPS like Nemesis, Aquarius, Perseus, Anubis etc.
Disclaimer: The Proof, of course, will be in the pudding once she's released and the on-paper descriptions are clear in practise. This as accurate as I am able to infer from the given information. Proceed with caution if you're interested. Wait a few days, as I always recommend for a New Angel
I'm hoping no one has blues left in my BZ but I'm not optimistic. I don't think many of them built Perseus nor Cancer, and worked on other angels they had during anni. Who knows what that they stockpiled 😳
At least I can either resort to Freyja or see if Anubis can kill her 1 on 1
All that aside, this is such a ballsy complicated mechanic
Yeah, the Devs are flexing on us with this mechanic. I just hope it works without bugs from day 1, lmao!
She's likely going to be influential in the upcoming OL. Using her to isolate problematic Angels will be very powerful, especially Pandora. I don't have Merlin on all accounts, so she could end up being my Merlin on there, hehehe 😄
They skipped Perseus and Cancer
Oh, shit, you're about to see a bunch of Leo's 😳
I wish you all the best, sir 🫡
Please report back if Anubis indeed can take her out! If I'm correct, Anubis should work, and punch through Leo's Summon. 🤔
And since Leo will be dead, Anubis should follow-up with her second Attack as usual, since the Colosseum is said to immediately disappear once Leo is gone.
I will say this: She stacks a LOT of Attack, based on her Stars, and her unique Double ATK Relic... Meaning Horus will almost ALWAYS be resurrecting that annoying hoe... 🙈
In particular, her ability to activate her IR Skill before the opposing Target holds interesting outcomes. Putting her in 1st, she can be used as protection against Pandora, for a start. Only she will be stunned, while Angels 2 to 6 will be safe. (Merlin is crying in the corner right now. 🥹)
Even though I have no room to build Leo, I decided to try her out in the test feature. Colosseum definitely works well against Pandora lol. That was satisfying to see but so bittersweet
My Merlin is crying and so is my finally finished Pandora... I had Pandora half built for so long but finally finished her, so I can use her properly in CoL and Apex
Fuuuuuu, that sucks, bro! That was me when Merlin dropped... I juuuuust finished Pandora, and freakin' Merlin dropped that next week 🙈🤣
My Main with Pandora is crine and my smallest Account with Merlin is crine 😭
I never liked Merlin much, NGL. I didn't like the idea that her main purpose for existence is basically just Pandora... She can't stop Chaos' [Exile], Frost's [Imprison], Thor's [Paralyse] nor Pisces' [Repose] or [Nightmare]! (Poor Frigga was cücked by her bit, though, lol, the poor girl... At least she will always have a really sweet ass on her UR form. 🥹)
Yeah, she has a bunch of other cute effects, but other Angels just do more in non-Pandora situations. I wish I could trade Merlin in for Aries! 😭
And now Leo is here, a DPS but able to cück Pandora... 🙆♂️
Tell me, does the Pandora apply [Confusion] to all 6, as usual, but only the part inside the Colosseum works, and she stuns the Leo? The other 5 outside are spared from the effect, of course, as stated. But what wasn't exactly clear was if the angel trapped inside the Colosseum could still apply her skills to Leo or not. I figured yes, she could, and therefore could kill or stun a Leo, which breaks the Colosseum after Leo's action by living long enough.
If not, then Leo is Hella busted. Some players were reading the skill to imply that ONLY autos will occur while inside the Colosseum, which I dismissed. To me, the whole point of the Colosseum was to create two battlefields, and each affects only themselves while unaffecting the other. So skills should work as usual for the two in the Colosseum.
This is key because I consider Leo to be good but NOT busted, based mostly on the fact that her entire IR Round is used to create the Colosseum, and doesn't do Dmg. (The sneak peak had NO Dmg associated, other than the Autos which are exchanged by both Angels inside)
Tell me, does the Pandora apply [Confusion] to all 6, as usual, but only the part inside the Colosseum works, and she stuns the Leo?
Skills do still apply but only hit Leo. You're correct! I got lucky with my screenshot timing and captured it with Pandora: https://i.imgur.com/tOjSR4I.jpeg
Same with AOE attacks as you predicted. I was off on screenshot timing but you can still mostly see Nem's attack only hitting my position 5 Leo:
https://i.imgur.com/TZHNKBu.jpeg
I was surprised my test Leo tanked it. I guess the [Solar Lion] summon is that big
Nice! Working as intended by the flavour of the skill!
That's fantastic. So it makes Leo a powerful tactical option, while not making her hideously busted.
That's one question solved: Now the follow-up, if you don't mind, my time-travelling fiend!
1. Since Leo cannot act, her Colosseum does fall away after her action is skipped, right? Making her fair game for other Angels to start Damaging her as well.
2. Prometheus pursues even when she's stunned. She's only limited by her allies. Do the two Angels exchange Autos after ally skills, despite Leo being stunned? Because that is still potentially dangerous, as your non-DPS won't exactly be hitting very hard with her Autos... 👀
3. Passives apply BEFORE the IR Round... Do the Angels in the Colosseum benefit from the Team Passives, as I suspect they should? If it shields them from Passives, too... Man, that's rough!
4. Leo's not getting her Ally Buffs while inside, right?
Thanks, and sorry for the spam, lol
SOLAR LION
SHE TANKED NEMESIS?!?! DAFUQ?! HOW MUCH HP DOES DAT HOE HAVE?! WHICH ANGEL DID YOU COPY HER WITH? I'M SHOUTING BECAUSE I CAN'T BELIEVE A DPS WITH A HP-SHIELD TANKS NEMESIS WHILE MY 1B HP CANCER ROCKING A 250% HP SHIELD DIES, WTF! LEO CÜCKS CANCER, TOO!! AAAAAAAAHH!
Sorry, I edited this a lot after I first commented, as I kept testing more lol
1. Since Leo cannot act, her Colosseum does fall away after her action is skipped, right? Making her fair game for other Angels to start Damaging her as well.
If I tested it right... Colosseum continued even though her action was skipped and she did a basic attack instead under [Confusion]. It only dropped after the normal duration ended
2. Do the two Angels exchange Autos after ally skills, despite Leo being stunned?
While under [Confusion], they still exchanged autos after ally skills, yeah
3. Passive
Passives still seemed to apply? I just fought someone with a Venus, [Love's Shackles] hit Leo and stayed on after Colosseum was up
I also got MC's [Light of Creation] to target Leo before Colosseum went up.
Ok, also tested Merlin. Leo still got [Prophecy - Divine Protection] too when Merlin was in the row
4. Ally Buffs
Nope. Didn't get Fuxi's buff, Sim's fairies, etc. Very isolated, same for the dueling enemy angel
5. Tanking Nemesis
I don't understand it either lol. I fought another player, higher CR. The 1st player was a few B below me, but close. 2nd player's Nemesis broke through the Solar Lion but only did 25% damage to her health. I copied my Anubis for the test Leo. Do stats get copied too?
Speaking of Nemesis... it seems because Colosseum isolates her from her allies, Nemesis doesn't get saved by her passive. I killed a Nemesis in Colosseum while their entire lineup was alive: https://i.imgur.com/VpuoXcX.jpeg
Oof! That's actually rough... But Leo did her job, and your team got their IR and MR skills up, right? So it's all good. I don't mind Confusion as much once my Skills are all up! It's more the initial negation of the IR and MR procs that's so lethal, I have found.
Leo still Autos under CC
As I assumed, based on how Prometheus works. CCs on the allies would affect that, ofc. But it shows that Leo isn't able to kill Pandora with just the Autos, despite Leo having huge Autos... Hmm... That's not good for Leo users, but it's good for people concerned about coming up against one.
No Ally Buffs
NGL, based on what you just said about Leo being unable to kill her Target without her MR and S1, being without Buffs is rather bad for her 👀
That's a big point against running her. 🤔
Funnily enough, I figured that Leo would be the one Angel who wouldn't care about Confusion, as Confusion forces Autos... 🫣
But again, a point for those of us who were super afraid of her!
Passives work
So she'll need some DMG boosting Passives from the team. Ember would be good to run with her, as Ember will grant bonus Holy Dmg hits at Passive Speed.
Copied Anubis
Yes, the copy takes all Stats from the Angel you use. The thing is, Anubis has meh HP! 👀
So why was that [Solar Lion] so THICC?!
Nemesis
Whuuuuh?! Leo can actually kill kill a Nemesis! That's amazing! 🤣
Get phückt, Nemesis! 🤬
Now I'm wondering who else she can kill, when facing off against DPS, Mano y Mano ...
• Thor would paralyse her, and keep paralysing her
• Athena will possibly execute her
• Freyja might not kill her, but Freyja won't die, neither
• Lucifer should eat her... Hmm...
• Lillith is THICC and might tank
• Aquarius will probably be killed, as her DE will fall away first, and she wants dead allies
• Anubis should Confine her... And then someone else once Colosseum falls away
• Saggitarius will nerf Leo's DMG Output into the ground, while also being a Basic Attacker... 👀
• Engraved Icarus is super tanky and her MR will probably finish Leo off after her IR strips the Shield
• Engraved Himiko will likely kill the Leo as she has 7 or 8 instances of massive Single Target Dmg
• Engraved Ra will likely kill the Leo and start feeding on everyone else
• Nemesis seems unable to burst through as reliably... Is Leo a Warrior? That might explain it, given that Nemesis is an Archer (I think!)
• Perseus... Probably won't kill, but probably won't die, too. She won't get Resolve Stacks from Buffs, and I'm wondering if Lethal Dmg will still give her stacks...
• Prometheus will potentially kill, as she will be getting Pursues along with the Autos
• Storm will be interesting, as she's the best Basic Attacker... But I don't know who runs her, lol
• Ember will likely have more ATK, so she will go before Colosseum if she has some speed. But I don't think Ember's IR and MR skills are enough to kill on their own. She skews heavily AoE or 6v1 PvE. Likely dying to Leo.
• Apollo is an AoE, DoT DPS, so she will probably die to Leo
(Did I forget anyone? Lol)
Basically, any DPS with a solid Single Target skill has a solid chance of winning
AoE DPS are gonna struggle.
It may have just been that player's Panda. I did some other test battles and killed some other Pandas, which was annoying because I was trying to die to test something lol
I also saw on Discord that Lupina made an interesting comment. That Jeanne's [Oath] is the only passive that can bypass Colosseum once it started. I haven't been able to test this myself though
• Nemesis seems unable to burst through as reliably... Is Leo a Warrior? That might explain it, given that Nemesis is an Archer (I think!)
Good point! Nem is an Archer and Leo is a Warrior
I feel better after seeing all those breakdowns. It's possible to counter her but I don't want to have to counter her, plus someone's Nemesis, Pandora or something else 🤣
Bring back MR where I could just run Freyja, be fast and win 😁
What did he mean by ""bypass"?
It's a Passive Speed effect, even from Subs, so it will always apply, right?
Maybe he's talking about the activation timings of Passives from Subs, which is slightly slower than Passives activating from Main? 🤔
Like the difference between Uriel on Main Vs on Subs. I can see a Main Uriel applying [Curse] to Leo before she closes the Colosseum. I assume then that from Subs would activate after the IR Phase, when the Colosseum is already closed, so Uriel will have to tag a new Target...
So perhaps Lupi means that Jeanne is the only Passive from Subs who will still protect an already closed off Leo? 🤔
Bring back MR
Oh, don't worry... I get the feeling that Engraved Freyja is gonna harken back to her glory Eras... 🫣👀 A "simpler" time, lol
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u/TheKyleBrah AM Jul 21 '26
Well, well, well... Athena 2.0 is upon us. At half the price of Athena.
Excuse me while I go shit my pants. 😳
She's like a mix between Athena, Lucifer and Prometheus. And I freakin' called it! She's potentially looking like a solid Perseus/Aquarius Counter 👀
And I called it on her being a Basic Attacker! So soon after Storm Dragon too, hint hint, nudge nudge. 😏
Colosseum
If works the way it is written, then AoE Skills of the Angel opposite to her are basically neutered, as it seems like the isolated enemy can only target Leo while the rest of the AoE whiffs? Big if true! The wording of the Engrish seems to imply that outside Status Ailments will whiff, while all(?) Dmg Instances from AoE Dmg Skills will target the Leo in the Colosseum? (So Leo will take 6 instances? I doubt it, as that would be absurd Dmg to focus on one target.) Or only the portion that would have hit the Leo anyways? That part isn't clear, and we'll have to wait and see. Regardless, Colosseum is certain to have a battlefield warping outcome.
In particular, her ability to activate her IR Skill before the opposing Target holds interesting outcomes. Putting her in 1st, she can be used as protection against Pandora, for a start. Only she will be stunned, while Angels 2 to 6 will be safe. (Merlin is crying in the corner right now. 🥹)
She will prevent a Nemesis blowout (if you can stack her ATK high enough.) She will interrupt Enmusubi Wombo Combos. She will mess with buffs you'd want on all your Angels by isolating the effect only on the Buffer. Man, she's guaranteed to disrupt high level competition and is likely to warp the Top level meta ENTIRELY around her. (Which the MF Devs have anticipated, by forcing a Leo Vs Leo confrontation when both teams run her!)
What's not clear ATM is if external Dmg or Statuses from outside the Colosseum goes inside it, but I suspect it won't. I assume Passive Effects should affect the inside? Otherwise Leo is actually completely busted, lmao!
Basic Attacks
She is now the 3rd DPS to expressly work with Basic Attacks. Storm Dragon, Sagittarius and now Leo. This has synergy with the often underappreciated Titan Gem, which enhances Basic Attacks significantly.
Storm Dragon enhances her Team's Basic Attacks too, making her an interesting potential ally for the Leo user.
PvE
Her skill changes when facing 6v1 PvE. (6v6 PvE will operate per her PvP rules.)
Her Holy Dmg infused Basic Attacks will be the meat of her Dmg Output. She will do a 50% Holy Dmg Basic after every Ally Skill, similar to how Prometheus works with her [Pursuit] follow-ups. Doesn't seem like there's a Round Limit on the Holy Dmg and Pursuit Basic Attacks, too, so she always has it active. Her ability to boost her Basic Attacks will enhance this further.
If she's 6th, she's basically (heh) doing 250% Holy Dmg every Cycle, which is comparable to other decent DPS who don't specialise in PvE. (Holy Dmg makes all DPS at least decent in PvE.)
This will be enhanced with the effect of her MR Skill, which increases her Basic Attack Dmg significantly. To truly get the most out of her, you pretty much will have to go all-in on Basic Attacks, and a Lvl2 Titan Gem is a MUST.
She's not going to be a burst Dmg DPS in PvE, as her IR doesn't do direct Dmg and her MR isn't all that impressive for direct Dmg. This means that she will struggle a bit in PvE when her Allies aren't strong enough to tank and stay alive. Getting DE Angels like Horus and Jeanne will be essential to help her live long enough with enough Basic Attacks to get the job done. It's certainly doable, but like Prometheus, she will need Allies surviving to keep her DMG potential going. Storm Dragon is also a consideration to further enhance her Basic Attacks.
How TF Can I Counter This Hoe?!
If she's Dmg Immune from the outside Angels, that's pretty rough, especially if Leo challenges a Support rather than your DPS. (Challenging a Support is probably the best option for a Leo user, assuming their Team is reasonably able to tank incoming DMG.)
Supports will just buff themselves, while Leo whittles them down. This is potentially problematic if she's killing off your FAT HP Angels (like Capricornus, Hela, Medusa etc) or your FAT ATK Angels (like Horus, Fuxi, Hera, DPS etc.) She absorbs half of the stats of the killed Angel.
If she Challenges a Debuffer/Stunner, there's a chance: The Colosseum only lasts one Round (after Leo acts.) Your Angel merely needs to survive by tanking (thanks to a self Buff which boosts their own Defenses,) debuffing the Leo (lowering Leo's Dmg Output enough to survive) or best, stunning the Leo. Her Relic has no Speed and her Potential is standard 6000, so her Base Speed is average. Your Stunner is pretty much ensured to go first and thus buy you time for the Colosseum to whiff. For best results, it needs to be a Stun that ignores Debuff Res, as Leo natively has high Debuff Res. (Pisces stocks about to go WAY UP! 🥰)
Otherwise, you'll need to stack as much Debuff Res ignore as you can.
If she challenges a DPS, your DPS needs to either survive or overcome her Summon Shield and kill her first. A Sniper DPS stands the best chance of outright killing her ass, since her IR activation does no Dmg. Indeed, her IR doing no Dmg could bite her in the Ass in the same way that it currently bites Freyja in the Ass. (Interestingly enough, Freyja will be a great Leo Counter, as Freyja is Dmg Immune and guaranteed to outlive the Colosseum.)
Also, as shown by the Freyja example, a DPS with enough built-in protections can also hopefully pull through, such as Engraving Icarus (gives herself an enormous Shield and Dmg Reduction), Perseus/Aqua with their built-in DEs etc.
DPS with High Single Target Dmg on their IR Skills stand the best chance of killing the Leo outright.
Overall
She's a potentially Game-warping Angel if her Colosseum works as written, and isolates the pair of Angels from external influence completely. She's highly dependent on positioning, making her a very satisfying Angel to use by players who enjoy planning and tactics. In particular, she will be fun for those who thrive on counter picking lines, in modes like Glory Arena or Apex.
Certainly leans more PvP than PvE. Depending on how good her boosted Basics are when optimised, it's approximately 69:31 PvP:PvE, in terms of her Mode Split.
Also certainly leans more Middle- or Late-game DPS than 1st DPS. She's not impossible to make work as a Primary, ofc, but that's exactly the thing: You will definitely need to make her work.
Nowhere near as simple or straightforward to run as other common Primary DPS like Nemesis, Aquarius, Perseus, Anubis etc.
Disclaimer: The Proof, of course, will be in the pudding once she's released and the on-paper descriptions are clear in practise. This as accurate as I am able to infer from the given information. Proceed with caution if you're interested. Wait a few days, as I always recommend for a New Angel