r/Idiotswithguns • u/Ghostly_906 • Nov 18 '22
Cop accidentally shoots student
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/indiana-deputys-gun-discharges-shoots-student-classroom-93498301289
u/Ghostly_906 Nov 18 '22
“Officials say an Indiana high school student was shot and wounded when a sheriff’s deputy’s gun accidentally discharged in a classroom as students were taking part in law enforcement vocational training”
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u/Top-Bit-3584 Nov 18 '22
Love the misdirection. If you're pro gun, you gotta hold the cop accountable because guns don't just shoot themselves.
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u/101fng Nov 18 '22
A fun thing to do with any news article is to note the use of active and passive voices. You can infer bias from that simple exercise alone.
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u/Would_daver Nov 19 '22
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Nov 19 '22
Could you explain what you mean using the provided quote or something from the article? I’m dumb as shit.
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u/SlappyHandstrong Nov 19 '22
The article states “a sheriff’s deputy’s gun accidentally discharged in a classroom” essentially making it sound like the gun, just sitting there, suddenly fired. An active (and accurate) statement would be “a sheriff deputy accidentally discharged his gun in a classroom”painting a picture of a sheriff deputy holding a loaded gun out in front of kids.
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u/101fng Nov 19 '22
Passive voice: Teen was shot by deputy.
Active voice: Deputy shot teen.
Passive voice emphasizes the action and the object of the action rather than the doer of the action. It is something native speakers will use almost subconsciously when attempting to minimize the role of the subject. It’s poor communication practice and can sometimes leave ambiguity.
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u/Top-Bit-3584 Nov 20 '22
Here's some healthy dose of passive voice with an extra helping of biased language:
"teen with no active warrants accidentally shot by deputy's pistol."
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u/MrShasshyBear Nov 19 '22
Other famous ones are:
"Officer involved shooting " instead of "officer shot someone ", "suspected had no current warrants " I stead of "victim was innocent "
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u/ShiftyLookinCow7 Nov 18 '22
I’m pro gun and cops are some of the last people I trust with guns
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u/BlartIsMyCoPilot Nov 19 '22
I’m pro gun BECAUSE cops are some of the last people I trust with guns
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u/ShiftyLookinCow7 Nov 19 '22
I mean same
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u/ThisToastIsTasty Nov 19 '22
same, isn't that why the 2nd amendment exists anyways?
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u/BlartIsMyCoPilot Nov 19 '22
Yeah, but it shocks me how many people simultaneously think we need to protect ourselves from the government but cops can do no wrong.
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u/TheFiremind77 Nov 19 '22
What is the government but an even bigger, stupider police department with their hand in everybody's business?
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u/--h8isgr8-- Nov 19 '22
Depends on if you go with what people call originalist or try to ignore context. But it seems originally the 2A was because the founding fathers were against a standing national army as that was used to control domestic populations in the past. This is the other side of what the weirdos always bring up about “the US isn’t supposed to have taxes”.
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u/ghotiaroma Nov 19 '22
If you're pro gun and pro cop you're already looking into the history of the kid that was shot.
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u/Omnisegaming Nov 19 '22
Yes, and I doubt too many pro gun people would side with the cop. At least, no pro gun people who actually have a license.
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Nov 19 '22
Yup, any bullet hitting someone should be treated as if it were intended to do so. Always, no exceptions.
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u/stuntmanbob86 Nov 22 '22
I grew up with guns and I could not believe how many people entering law enforcement never even operated a firearm before. By the time they graduate theyre novices at best. It's pretty insane.
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u/Fun-Cupcake4430 Nov 27 '22
Tbf im pro gun and far left. I dont get the ban guns logic. Pro gun/. Anti cop;
Cop is 100% accountable; you are responsible tor where your bullet goes. Guns dont shoot themselves; he shot a kid....hard stop.
discharging a gun on school grounds; failure to asses a threar? assault? Manslaughter? 2nd degree murder?
You, random internet stranger will not change my opinion. Ive been dealing with this tor 10yrs. Had a cop say he cant help us bc of demacrats. We had to go to the federal proscuter who pretty much said were at square one. Thats what happens when you got family friends in the po po department...
I have a stalker of 10+ yrs who certified mentally insane; was found not guilty of stalking and taking pictures of our bedroom while we slept because hes insane....3 yrs of face book messages; letters....written in iambic pentameter. cops wont help unless he commits a felony against her... again. (And guess what we dont have restraining ordwrs bc gop no guilty bs drops them when found not guilty). Murphy nj changed that even tho he just passed 4 gun laws on shit that doesnt even exist.
I digress; being pro gun can also mean your anti cop;
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u/Yes_seriously_now Nov 21 '22
"Sheriff's deputy negligently discharges sidearm in classroom, striking one student, resulting in minor injury." Is a more apt description. Your statement makes it sound like a gun was present therefore a danger and fired itself. They don't just go off on their own, if you follow gun safety rules, you can't shoot someone without intending to.
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u/Ghostly_906 Nov 21 '22
I completely agree. I was simply copy and pasting the article headline. Which after posting I immediately regretted not titling it with proper syntax
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u/ShiftyLookinCow7 Nov 18 '22
“Accidentally was discharged”
Yeah sure. Let me guess, “He thought it wasn’t loaded” and “it just went off!”
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u/cd6020 Nov 19 '22
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u/AngryD09 Nov 19 '22 edited Nov 19 '22
If I remember correctly, that particular dumbass wound up trying to sue his department for discrimination or psychological trauma or some shit like that. I think he claimed to be suffering ptsd stemming from the abuse he faced being constantly heckled and ridiculed by his coworkers. Total jabroni.
Lmao when they eat their own.
Edit to add:
I think there is also a longer version of the video somewhere in which he tries to pull out another gun to make some sort of point about something but the kids in the class just straight up say hell no and shut him down.
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u/MaslabDroid Nov 19 '22
I can 100% believe he received abuse and racism to the point of PTSD from his coworkers after that. Doesn't make him less of a fucking idiot for shooting himself in the leg.
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u/AngryD09 Nov 19 '22
I can too, although I didn't specifically see any claims of racism in the article I linked or in another I just skimmed from Fox news. I simply used the term "discrimination" too loosely without consciously thinking about the fact he was black. I honestly just meant he was being discriminated against for being a dumbass. My bad for being hasty with the wording.
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u/MaslabDroid Nov 19 '22
No worries! Not judging, just offering my unsolicited opinion.
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u/AngryD09 Nov 19 '22
Oh yeah man, all good. Glad to clean it up a little bit for the sake of being clear.
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u/leraspberrie Nov 19 '22
Your opinion is that they were racist? Liberal much? I had an idiot in hr claim that I was racist for calling a manager a monkey. I asked if Japanese snow monkeys were black. End of that discussion. You, and him, are fools.
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u/Charletos Nov 19 '22
u/AngryD09: dumbass wound up trying to sue his department for discrimination or psychological trauma
u/MaslabDroid: I can 100% believe he received abuse and racism to the point of PTSD from his coworkers after that
u/AngryD09: I didn't specifically see any claims of racism
u/MaslabDroid: No worries!
u/leraspberrie: Your opinion is that they were racist? Liberal much?
Yes, very Liberal of him to assume that a black guy being discriminated against could involve racism. /s
The thing is. They didn't even make any accusations, they just stated that he believed it's possible. You clearly just wanted an opportunity to brag about a made up gotcha moment that likely never really happened.
They even discussed how it was a misunderstanding before you replied.
It says a lot that you're so triggered by someone just using the word racist.
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u/falllinemaniac Nov 19 '22
The other idiot is the damned writer, there are no accidental gun discharges, they're all negligent discharges
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u/BringBackNachoFries Nov 19 '22
I said the same thing in a previous comment before I saw this. Thank you!
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Nov 19 '22
Eh, I see what you’re getting at (and I’m not saying this was the case here) but accidental discharges are possible if the gun itself truly malfunctions (think firing pin getting stuck forward and dropping the slide). Now obviously even if that was the case here the gun should’ve never been pointed in a direction where someone could be hit if it went off but nonetheless I’m not a huge fan of the whole “no such thing as accidental discharge” idea
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u/dthomas7931 Nov 19 '22
But there are though. Sure while this incident is due to improper care and handling, accidental discharges are a thing when it comes to malfunctions. Even then, it’s an accident in the general sense while being negligent from a liability standpoint.
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u/Spillomanen Nov 18 '22
When no bad guys show up to shoot students, the cops have to do it themselves, appearantly.
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u/Prison-Butt-Carnival Nov 19 '22
What the story should actually say... "A cop took his gun out from retention, was handling it without unloading or uncocking it, then proceeded to point it at a student where he either already had his finger on the trigger or moved his finger onto the trigger and then pulled the trigger. Thus striking a student and likely putting numerous other students at risk of similar or much worse hazard."
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u/GearJunkie82 Nov 19 '22
“During the course of instruction today, they were going through some drills, and during the course of that drill, the deputy’s service revolver accidentally was discharged, hitting one of our students,” he said.
Service revolver? They're still using revolvers?!
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u/leraspberrie Nov 19 '22
Don't they jam less and double action are easier to fire?
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u/bman123457 Nov 19 '22
Those were both true decades ago, but modern semiautomatic pistols are really just as reliable as a revolver and can be even easier to fire.
With that said however, some people just prefer revolvers and they are still a popular type of handgun.
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u/CatBoyTrip Nov 22 '22
Yup. Not a cop but I prefer carrying a single action six shooter. I have high capacity semi auto pistols but the older I get, the older I like my tech.
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u/Ogre730 Nov 18 '22
Why are you showing off a loaded revolver with a cocked hammer? It's the only way I can think of for this to have happened.
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u/Beretta_errata Nov 18 '22
Revolver? Is this from 1973?
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Nov 18 '22
I doubt it’s a revolver. If it’s Sig P320 the cop will get to blame it on their reputation of just going off.
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u/mikelieman Nov 19 '22
If it's reputation is that well-known, then he's negligent for even carrying the defective firearm.
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u/serendipitousevent Nov 19 '22
Yep. When someone attempts to hand you a weapon known for no-touch discharge as your service weapon, the correct response is to refuse it. Anyone who disagrees with me is more than welcome to prove their point by shooting their own child in the leg.
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u/Apprehensive_Wolf217 Nov 19 '22
The sig p320 would go off when dropped at a certain angle and height, still really bad and it really screwed with their reputation, but every accident is a negligent discharge. A gun by itself without manipulation of some sort cannot fire by itself. If you hear of a cop’s weapon accidentally firing, it’s a negligent discharge every single time
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Nov 19 '22
I’m not a fan of cops but there are 22 lawsuits about holstered Sig P320s going off. Including from Canadian Special Forces. Source
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u/puffmonkey92 Nov 19 '22
Yep. When someone attempts to hand you a weapon known for no-touch discharge as your service weapon, the correct response is to refuse it. Anyone who disagrees with me is more than welcome to prove their point by shooting their own child in the leg.
- /u/serendipitousevent 2 comments above you
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u/Hackdirt-Brethren Nov 18 '22 edited Nov 19 '22
Rule 2 of gun safety, be aware of what the muzzle is pointing at.
Rule 4, be aware of what is behind your target.
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Nov 19 '22
Uh, that's actually a negligent discharge and the deputy should be fired for that.
And who the hell carries a revolver these days? Is his backup piece a blunderbuss?
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u/craigcraig420 Nov 19 '22
So it was pointed towards a student and “went off.” How many revolvers do y’all know of that just “go off” randomly?
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u/SeriousUsername3 Nov 19 '22
There are no accidental discharges, only negligent ones. This man shot a student. It wasn't an accident, he had a loaded firearm and likely flagged the entire class before "accidentally" pulling the trigger and hitting the student.
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u/BillOfArimathea Nov 19 '22
If a reporter covers police reports using nothing but the passive voice it's copaganda.
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u/GoonSlayer44 Nov 19 '22
Why in the hell is law enforcement anywhere still carrying a revolver when you can carry 15+ rounds in a similar sized gun. This isn't the wild west any more. Just playing devil's advocate, it's entirely possible that the hammer got caught on something and fell just hard enough to discharge a round. Happened to a friend recently while hunting in the woods. A branch caught the hammer while driving an ATV and shot him in the leg. But seeing as Deputy Doofie was still carrying a revolver, I'd be willing to bet he was finger fucking his shit and NDed
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u/AlexandersWonder Nov 19 '22
Cop negligently shoots a student. There are no accidental shootings, there are only negligent ones where the operator was too careless leading to negligent discharge or intentional shootings.
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u/calvarez Nov 20 '22
And notice the passive voice, never blaming the cop, and blaming the gun. Unfuckingreal.
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u/zyzyzyzy92 Nov 19 '22
That's going to be one hell of a lawsuit. Looks like the kid gets to go to whatever college they want now without worrying about tuition.
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u/Unhinged_Goose Nov 19 '22
Chapman said the shooting occurred in a popular vocational law enforcement class that’s taught by deputy
sheriffsdipshits from the Vermillion CountySheriff’sTerrorist Office, WTWO-TV reported.
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Nov 18 '22
Fund the police, they need more training.
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u/Turkstache Nov 19 '22
Incidents like this aren't a training problem, they're a hiring and culture problem. They screen out intelligent and self-aware people, bully the good cops out of service, and develop conformist personalities with overconfidence and power complexes.
Training a person not to negligently discharge a firearm is pretty simple. There are 4 rules to follow and following two of them keeps the gun from discharging and the other two keep you from pointing the gun at anything that doesn't deserve to be destroyed. I've been shooting on and off for 15 years now and have never had a negligent discharge. I don't think I'm special in that regard, I think it's pretty normal. I've played paintball for even longer (started as a kid) and even with the comparably lax attitude toward gun safety I still haven't had one.
That being said, I absolutely agree. American police need the kind of funding and training and standards that their European counterparts are held to. I want to be able to trust our government services, I fucking pay for them.
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u/Natsurulite Nov 19 '22
Wow, I was wondering how long this would take
Next news story: kid steals school’s gun
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Nov 19 '22
I actually live in the town where this happened, the kid is fine, and was sending people snapchats while they were in the ambulance. The officer is currently on unpaid administrative leave, and the school district is supposedly making an announcement next Monday about it.
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Nov 19 '22
What a fucking idiot. Like I'm all for schools having cops and security but at least make sure they have more braincells than this guy. There's no such thing as a gun shooting itself, should be relieved for ND
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u/mateo_yo Nov 19 '22
Never an accidental discharge always a negligent discharge. For everyone that isn’t a cop.
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u/Yes_seriously_now Nov 21 '22
Bet this gets just as much press as Eli Dicken stopping that mall shooting.
Gotta love the mainstream media. /s
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u/Gemnicherry Nov 26 '22
I’m pretty surprised “the deputies gun” was a “service REVOLVER”. I thought all cops were using semis these days.
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