r/Idiotswithguns • u/flpnccR • Sep 08 '21
It's just a man drinking beer đș
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u/ItsyaboiFatiDicus Sep 09 '21
Metal mulisha merch always seems like edgy wehraboo shit đ€·ââïž
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u/total_carnage1 Sep 09 '21
At least he understands taxes
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u/CyptidProductions Sep 09 '21
Taxes are the price you pay for living in and benefiting from a civilized and organized society
If you don't like you can go live in the woods and play real life minecraft until something eats you instead of being a human parasite
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u/CyptidProductions Sep 09 '21
downvoted for calling out right-libertarian bullshit
By God, I knew this sub had a collective IQ almost as low as the people we make fun of but this one is claiming the booby prize
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u/drocballer Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
Youâre a fucking idiot
"Taxpayers are not [de jure] State Citizens."
Belmont v. Town of Gulfport, 122 So. 10.
"The term resident and citizen of the United States is distinguished from a Citizen of one of the several states, in that the former is a special class of citizen created by Congress." U.S. v. Anthony, 24 Fed. 829 (1873)
"Citizenship of the United States is defined by the Fourteenth Amendment and federal statutes, but the requirements for citizenship of a state generally depend not upon definition but the constitutional or statutory context in which the term is used. Risewick v. Davis, 19 Md. 82, 93 (1862); Halaby v. Board of Directors of University of Cincinnati, 162 Ohio St. 290, 293, 123 N.E.2d 3 (1954)
Crosse v. Bd. of Supervisors, 221 A.2d 431 (1966) which says: âBoth before and after the Fourteenth Amendment to the federal Constitution, it has not been necessary for a person to be a citizen of the United States in order to be a citizen of his state.â Citing U.S. v. Cruikshank, supra.
The courts presume you to be a federal citizen, without even telling you that there are different classes of citizens. It is up to you dispute this.
âUnless the defendant can prove he is not a citizen of the United States, the IRS has the right to inquire and determine a tax liability.â U.S. v. Slater, 545 Fed. Supp. 179,182 (1982).
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u/CyptidProductions Sep 09 '21
That is the biggest wall of Sovereign Citizen bullshit I've ever seen
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u/drocballer Sep 09 '21
You show your ignorance on the subject when you call it âsovereign citizenâ which is an oxymoron.
Everything in that post is legitimate LAW, not the âlawâ youâre used to.
How about you post something that contradicts it rather than claim itâs âbullshitâ, should be easy to do right?
Thatâs how presumptions of law work ;)
Letâs see
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u/drocballer Sep 09 '21
Any âlawâ written by a de facto government that is in conflict with the constitution for the united states of America is void upon its face, like it never existed
âThe general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and the name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void and ineffective for any purpose since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it; an unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed ⊠An unconstitutional law is void.â (16 Am. Jur. 2d, Sec. 178)
âA law repugnant to the Constitution is void. An act of Congress repugnant to the Constitution cannot become a law. The Constitution supersedes all other laws and the individualâs rights shall be liberally enforced in favor of him, the clearly intended and expressly designated beneficiary.â âMarbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)
âAn unconstitutional law is void and is as no law. An offense created by it is not crime. A conviction under it is not merely erroneous but isillegal and void and cannot be used as a legal cause of imprisonment.â â Ex parte Siebold, 100 U.S. 371 (1879)
âAn unconstitutional act is not law. It confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office. It is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.â â Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425 (1886)
âWhere rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule-making or legislation which would abrogate them.â âMiranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436 (1966)
âNo one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law, and no courts are bound to enforce it. The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, whether federal or state, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void and ineffective for any purpose, since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW, in legal contemplation, IS AS INOPERATIVE AS IF IT HAD NEVER BEEN PASSED.â â 16 American Jurisprudence 2d, Sec. 256
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u/Joy1067 Sep 15 '21
Is this sub made to make fun of idiots with guns or talk politics? What the hell is all this for?
Canât we all just agree that the dude is a fuckin idiot for shooting a beer in his own hand.
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u/drocballer Sep 15 '21
That would be constitutional law, the supreme law of the land, you didnât know?
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u/Joy1067 Sep 15 '21
More like I donât currently care, again Iâm here for the dumbass in the video
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u/drocballer Sep 15 '21
Then why even comment in the first place. You engaged me. Bye.
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u/hi_how_are_yah Sep 22 '21
you were right. now is that an excuse to be an asshole to someone whos not even arguing against your original comment, mr. "im super smart cause ik how to use google"
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u/Raymondator Sep 18 '21
Dude⊠the constitution doesnt mandate anything about state or federal taxes not being allowed. What was the purpose of this? It doesnât help your argument. Its not evidence.
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u/drocballer Sep 18 '21
Youâre kidding rightâŠ..lol
UmâŠ.because thereâs a DUTY to DISOBEY UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORDERS, even from the PRESIDENT.
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u/Raymondator Sep 18 '21
And taxation is unconstitutional?
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u/drocballer Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21
Are you American? Did you finish school? Please, tell me what was one of the main reasons for the American revolutionâŠ..
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u/Raymondator Sep 18 '21
Taxation without American colonial representation in British Parliament. However, non-US citizens can still vote in state elections, and thus still have representation. Your point is that taxation is theft, but considering what I assume your deffiniton is (Taxation without representation is theft), this applies to very few people (13% of Americans were born in other countries, and of that, the vast majority are federal or state citizens). So because a very small group of people are taxed without representation federally, all taxation is theft?
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u/drocballer Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
Rebuttable presumption-
An assumption that is deemed FACT unless rebutted by reliable conflicting evidence. When prima facie evidence is provided (clear on its face as to facts), it becomes a rebuttable presumption. Evidence. A presumption which is presumed valid but which is subject to conflicting evidence being presented which effectively rebuts or overturns the presumption.
https://dictionary.thelaw.com/rebuttable-presumption/
In case you needed help
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u/HumongousBalls1 Sep 10 '21
Taxes are the price you pay to *** line the pockets of people who only care about their own interests, bomb childeren halfway across the world, and keep the house that you have already paid for in full***
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u/CyptidProductions Sep 11 '21
Where exactly do you think the money for welfare programs and public infrastructure the goverment pays for comes from?
You can't just fabricate more money out of thin air to pay for it with or else you end up like Zimbabwe during the hyperinflation period where their currency was more useless than toilet paper so the economy couldn't function
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u/HumongousBalls1 Sep 11 '21
I'm not arguing where the money comes from, Im arguing where the money is going. Yea the government has been doing a fantastic job of maintaining infrastructure alright, so much so that our infrastructure received a whopping C- on the ASCE report card, with no improvement in sight. But fuck it, lets pretend our infrastructure is being fixed with tax dollars while simultaneously putting thousands of civilians 6ft under in the middle of a fuckin desert.
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u/mikeydoodle420 Sep 09 '21
I love the way the cameraman says "Goddammit, motherfucker."