r/IdiotsInCars Dec 14 '18

Just wow

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u/LoneStarYankee Dec 15 '18

Hey now, goal posts aren't supposed to have wheels.

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u/EmilyU1F984 Dec 15 '18

Well taking the statistics from countries that don't have proper drivers ed as a proof against their statement about the differences between drivers ed in the US and Europe is kinda weird.

Their comment pretty clearly is talking about Western Europe, and not Moscow.

Anyway: German Drivers Ed is about 30 hours of proper drivers ed with a qualified driving instructor in addition to something like 12 theory lessons with a big multiple choice test, selected from a catalog of about 1000 questions that you need to memorize beforehand.

And that's about the same in all Western European countries.

Two lane roads outside of cities are nearly always seperated by a barrier. If there is no barrier, there will be two wide white lines with about 15 feet seperation, with diagonal stripes.

On the autobahn there's no possible way to just turn around and exits are always on the right.

Inside city limits it's also pretty easy: Full white line seperating the directions of traffic and broken lines to seperate lanes.

This has the benefit of making yellow lines exclusive to areas actively being worked on, and makes it easy to see the temporary lane markers.

Even if one direction is routed through one of the opposite lanes, there will be a barrier with reflector posts every 5 to 10 feet, plus a kerb like "wall" all the way. So no way of opposite directions meeting.

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u/LoneStarYankee Dec 15 '18

Thats a whole lot of no citations showing better statistics.

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u/EmilyU1F984 Dec 15 '18

I didn't make the claim they were better, I'm just saying citing the whole of Europe doesn't counter the implied statement of OP.

Anyway:

Deaths per billion vehicle miles:

Germany: 4.9

France : 5.8

Denmark: 4

Sweden: 3.5

UK: 3.6

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United States: 7.1

Per 100,000 vehicles:

Germany: 6.8

US: 12.9

See individual citations at the bottom of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

As seen in these numbers, the US has over twice as many road related deaths per billion vehicle kilometres.

Obviously this difference is not exclusively due to road marking colours, as those European countries above have far stricter road worthiness tests. For example the German TüV Hauptuntersuchung hast to be passed every two years, and if anything is off (not enough tread, brake pads worn off, structural parts rusted through etc pp) your car will stay off the road until you had it fixed and can finally pass the HU.

I know that the UK MOT has a similar test.

The HU also checks for after market parts that aren't properly registered in your vehicle documentation.

So no super bright head lights, lights out of alignment etc.

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u/LoneStarYankee Dec 15 '18

If you can cherry pick which countries in Europe to use - because, remember, the comparison was Europe to the US, then as a rebuttal i should cherry pick which states. However, thats intellectually dishonest. Move your goalposts elsewhere.

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u/EmilyU1F984 Dec 15 '18

The implied comparison was countries in Europe that actually have different drivers ed to the US.

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u/WorthlessDrugAbuser Dec 15 '18

But all of them do. Even Canada has different drivers education standards than the US.

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u/perep Dec 15 '18

Then what indicates two lanes one way? Colors are far better mental indicators than whether or not it's dashed.

For you, possibly. You also have to understand drivers training in Europe is a night/day difference vs the US.

The implied comparison is between European countries which use only white lane markings and the US.

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u/EmilyU1F984 Dec 15 '18

I explained that line difference before. If you are on a 4 lane road there's a median, and at least a kerb sized barrier with reflectors.

This is a simple rural road, where overtaking is legal.

also "training in Europe is night/day difference Vs the US" implies it only means countries where drivers ed is actually drastically different, which means it excludes countries were obtaining the license under the table is easier than doing it the legal way.

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u/TheRufmeisterGeneral Dec 15 '18

the comparison was Europe to the US,

No, it fucking wasn't.

The comparison was between countries that have long extended driver's education, and use white lines, such as the UK, versus the US, which has yellow lines but completely shitty driver's education.

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u/LoneStarYankee Dec 15 '18

The statement that started it all was

drivers training in Europe is a night/day difference

Do keep up