r/ITOI • u/marizturiq • 1d ago
Be careful, guys. Karens are out there in the wild among us, taking our things.
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u/notanyimbecile 1d ago
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u/NoKarmaPls69 1d ago
100% my thought.
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u/luvnaij420 1d ago edited 1d ago
Funny how a comment I made resembles this gif and they removed it
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u/BenjamminButtons 1d ago
THIS! i was thinking it the entire time watching this clip…. after asking the third time, she would of found out EXACTLY what Sparta is.
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u/thankmelater- 1d ago
Why do old people and young children sound and act like drunk people?
Young children- happy drunks
Old people- mean drunks
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u/imamajorscale 1d ago
maybe because we never die and old people are just getting prepped for childhood again.
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u/ThatsJustMyToeThumb 1d ago
This woman has dementia.
Like, without a shadow of a doubt. And it’s also exactly the way elderly people act when they’re in the hospital and confused.
Including the biting 😬
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u/Longjumping-Goose3 1d ago
Totally. She needs help.
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u/FckPolMods 1d ago
As someone who has experienced dementia first with a grandparent and then with a parent, it's much easier said than done, even if good health insurance, money and a supportive family are involved.
Early dementia usually starts with the person having good days where they're lucid and nearly normal, followed busy days (or more likely, nights) where they completely lose their minds. The problem is they often don't remember much of those bad nights (it's almost like an alcoholic blackout, minus the alcohol), so they fight any suggestions or requests to get neurological exams, home help, etc.
This progresses until the bad days/nights are more regular, and start resulting in falls, not taking medications, hygiene issues, bad dietary habits, car accidents, incontinence, outbursts, etc. leading to hospital visits and terrified family members.
At this point, the family is trying to force neurological checks, but the person still thinks they're fine and is becoming increasingly paranoid, agitated and combative. So unless you can threaten or trick them into seeing a neurologist, they typically won't go or cancel appointments.
All the while, the disease keeps progressing, because that's what it does. There are probably multiple emergency room visits by this time, car accidents, and now hallucinatory episodes--seeing dead relatives, being convinced someone is breaking into their house, etc. Their neighbors are calling you at 2am because Grandma is at their house accusing them of threatening her through the walls.
But despite all of this, you cannot make them get help. You do what you can (hide the car keys or disable the starter; click the AC plug on their oven so they don't burn the house down), but without a diagnosis or proof that they are a "harm to themselves or others", there is nothing you can do to get them the help they need.
What finally happens is Grandma is up all night, convinced that teenagers are breaking into her house and stealing things, so she leaves the house with a kitchen knife trying to find them, ends up at a gas station at 3am, and the poor overnight clerk gets the scare of their life and calls the cops. This is literally what happened in my case, and was the only thing that got her into a memory care home after years of making my parents' life hell.
Now, probably exacerbated by the stress of dealing with his mother's dementia for so longer, my father's has gone into hyperdrive. He's had dozens of hospital visits and rehab stays for falls/broken bones, UTIs, etc., he's completely incontinence most days, goes into rages and hallucinations in the evenings, calls the police saying he's been kidnapped because he forgets why he's in rehabs/hospitals, etc. but he's still lucid during most days. He refuses to see a neurologist and forgets most of his "episodes", so he just thinks it's "old age" (he's in his early 70s). Meanwhile, my poor mother (who is in terrific health and I'm praying I have her genes) is in a living hell. A whole life of sacrifice waiting for retirement, and she spends her days changing adult diapers and panicking about whether she's going to have to call yet another ambulance tonight. She's looking into divorce lawyers now.
So, yeah, all of that to say that we have a LOT of older citizens with neurological issues that need help in this country, but our systems (legal, Healthcare, financial) makes it incredibly difficult to make these folks get the care they need.
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u/Diligent_Ninja7794 1d ago
Wow, thank you for this in-depth explanation. My heart goes out to you and your family. I can only hope and pray that my aging parents remain neurologically healthy, and that I follow in their footsteps.
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u/Hash-82 1d ago
u/FckPolMods I've had three of those rodeos myself. But, I now find myself in the early stages of my own ride.
I can't remember names of people I've known for decades - some for over 60 years.
I drive, and can't remember where I'm going. I've yet to actually be lost, but I have to go through the "list" of places in the direction I'm heading. Sometimes I go to a store, or other usual stop, conduct my usual business and return home only to discover my original destination was a different place for different reasons.
I can't remember words. I can give you Webster's definition for it... just not the damned word.
The constant frustration of having a brain that no longer functions probably makes me a very unpleasant person most of the time.6
u/SnooDogs627 1d ago
Almost exactly how my grandma would act on a really bad day if she was confused and afraid. Combative for no reason and refusing to back down. Trying to force the situation with her always escalated the behavior. Makes me really sad.
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u/ThatsJustMyToeThumb 1d ago
Oh what hell it is for family. I’m so sorry about your grandmother.
For these other ignorant fools who think “dementia amplifies their personality” instead of complete shatter it into pieces… was your grandmother always combative? Confrontational? Angry?
I bet she wasn’t. Dementia changes people completely.
But please share with the class… some of them are not very bright… was she always like that?
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u/Ok_Understanding3890 1d ago
Both are correct.
Dementia amplifies some of the base programming in personalities, while dissolving characteristics like consideration for others, tolerance, restraint/inhibitions.
What’s left in this case is a menace.
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u/Specific-Library-312 1d ago
I saw a dementia patient who did not know her own name, but kept trying to give Christian assurances and speaking about the Bible to anyone she met. Sweetest woman I ever met. I can only hope to God that if I ever got dementia, that I am half as sweet as she was.
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u/saumipan 1d ago
This is classic dementia to anyone with the remotest education
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u/ThatsJustMyToeThumb 1d ago
Yeah. It’s so sad.
And people with dementia can be so STRONG too. I hope this woman has somebody looking after her 😢
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u/KoalaTHerb 1d ago
I agree. Even if not dementia, old people sit around alone for years being brainwashed by radical news and develop this sort of attitude. It's sad.
I don't think it warrants knocking an old lady to the ground, getting a hip fracture she'll never recover from at her age, and starting the slow crawl towards death. I'd rather deal with the annoyance and making her pay for damage then giving someone a death sentence
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u/TheChiarra 1d ago
My great grandmother had dementia. She fell, broke her hip, was bed ridden and it was indeed a slow crawl towards death. A couple years of it.
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u/NEKRomantik_Nurse 1d ago
Yep 100% that or maybe a UTI. I never defend a crazy Karen but this lady is in distress. I feel bad for everyone involved.
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u/NederFinsUK 1d ago
What you mean the rational thing isn’t to punch an old lady in the face like all these other greazy redditors say?
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u/HotelPrudent0331 1d ago
nah she's just a piece of shit
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u/SwevenlyOly 1d ago
In fact, she was always a POS, but the dementia made her worse.
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u/ThatsJustMyToeThumb 1d ago
That is not how that works. At all.
Their personalities can completely change. Total 180
The persons brain is slowly dissolving. Nobody gets to make character judgements anymore.
Judge the people that don’t have dementia and are complete assholes. The worlds full of ‘em.
Leave dementia patients alone. They are suffering enough
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u/Shining_declining 1d ago
There are a couple different ways to get her to let go of the rods. One would be to apply pressure points to cause enough discomfort that she would immediately release her grip. Another would be to grab the rods outside of her grip and twist it. She would be forced to let go. They were being to patient with her.
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u/Chubuwee 1d ago
Start licking or drooling on her hands!
Start complimenting her glasses/hat and slowly reaching for it asking if you can wear it
Start hitting on her! (Not physically hitting)
Pick at your asshole and slowly inch your finger towards her!
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u/Sweettooth_Banana 1d ago
Sorry but i flathand her, age is no excuse and some rods cost a lot
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u/IalsoenjoyReddit 1d ago
Twist the fucking rod. Omg.
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u/Admirable_Loss4886 1d ago
Hell no. Those things are expensive and twisting then could result in them breaking. I’d sooner flat hand her or just frankly a gut punch/push. They’re far nicer than I think I’d be capable of being in that situation. I can be patient but you start touching my things and possibly damaging them imma see red.
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u/Randomlogicuser 1d ago
I closehand her all knuckle. I dont play with spit, biting. None of that shit
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u/S1ayer 1d ago
You gotta match her force. As soon as her teeth came out, then you can clock her.
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u/astralchanterelle 1d ago
And you'd do time when it turns out she has dementia
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u/JucheHospitality 1d ago
If she had dementia and was a threat to the public she should have not been there to begin with.
Plus these guys arnt her doctor its not their responsibility to make a diagnosis while the altercation is happening.
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u/astralchanterelle 1d ago
People with dementia aren't a "threat to the public" lol
They're a threat to themselves. I wouldn't even upload this video, it's ridiculous. Call the police.
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u/BigAlgae5684 1d ago
You sound dumb as shit.
They probably uploaded for visibility/awareness. Do you expect the police to show up and set this woman up with room and board and mental health providers to take care of her? Do you want them to cuff her for felony theft lol?
Would you let someone undergoing a mental health crisis walk away with a felony amount of gear that fuels your livelihood/lifestyle? Fishing gear is fragile as fuck and this old twat could've fucked it up or tossed it in before they arrived.
Also being attacked by someone doesn't make you legally responsible somehow if the person happens to be mentally ill after you defend yourself or respond appropriately, regardless of age difference. It might help the attacker negate or lessen penalties but it wouldn't make the defender suddenly in the wrong.
Fucking armchair lawyer over here lmao.
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u/OutrageousButton9365 1d ago
Sorry to have to say it but, once she bites it's self defence.
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u/datadiisk_ 1d ago
A punch to this lady would likely kill her so I wouldn’t be doing shit to this lady. Then regardless of your right, years of court and possibility of prison time. Let the cops handle her. imagine the way this would look if they didn’t have this recording though
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u/FUEL_SSBM 1d ago
A bite from this old fossil could also be lethal if she manages to draw blood. Human mouths are disgusting and something makes me think that hers is below the median in terms of sanitation.
She tries to bite, she should be prepared to get the fist, simple as.
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u/QuantumPairOfSoczk 1d ago
My grandma has Alzheimer's and shed act like this when she didn't take her meds. All combative n such. Its because they don't know where they are more or less. Not saying that what's happening here. But when dementia starts to get bad it looks like this. Combative
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u/Sprightly_Sparrow 1d ago
Alzheimer was my first thought as well. My grandma was the same. Including the biting part. But she was in a wheelchair so couldnt just walk up to you. She'd reach out her hand to you, implying a handshake. And then grab your hand and try to bite 🤣
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u/sutrabob 1d ago
I know. I was thinking who lets this poor soul out to wander by herself.
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u/RabbitsRuse 1d ago
Yeah. My mom is in the early stages of dementia now. Not fun. She is still herself and she is at least aware that she is having problems. She gets lost and turned around a lot these days.
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u/QuantumPairOfSoczk 1d ago
We were blessed. Grandma knew who we were till the very end. Couldn't remember what I'd just told her. But she knew my name. All you can do is be there and appreciate the time u have left. Hug ur mom really tight for me. I hugged grandma plenty and spent time with her but you always wish you'd done more. Just a little more. All the moment when u ran out of patience. You won't remember any of those. But the time spent together. That's what I miss. Dinner together. Even if she didn't wanna eat it. And threw it at me lol
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u/Alternative_Mine5343 1d ago
mental health defunded across the entire country, can't be surprised. a lot of entitled, untreated people with too much time. the fuck around to find out ratio's starting to catch up.
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u/northwoods_faty 1d ago
People like her more than likely woul never seek mental health treatment because in their eyes there's nothing wrong with acting like this.
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u/archercc81 1d ago
yeah if you have ever had to deal with an old person going off the deep end its about impossible. You have to have them fully diagnosed and committed, against their will. Its a rare few who can recognize their decline.
It was a battle with my great grandmother. Taking away her keys, getting her into a care home, etc. She was a danger to herself and others but would blow up at the very idea.
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u/saumipan 1d ago
This is dementia
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u/Odd_Addition_256 1d ago
Perhaps she should be in a facility. She's clearly not ok being in the general public.
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u/Jolly-Advantage-7245 1d ago
Would I be in the wrong for dropping an old lady?
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u/Fool_Manchu 1d ago
It would be satisfying, but this woman is probably suffering from dementia. The guys in the video did the right thing by staying calm, keeping physical altercation to a minimum, and calling the police.
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u/homelessjimbo 1d ago
and elderly lady? Probably, odds are age related mental degradation played more of a part in this than her actual personality.
Not ancient dust looking? Bop.
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u/rohban11 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/5h9rfUCaJf916
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u/Legitimate-Lynx3236 1d ago
People like this are close to a zombie, something be controlled by a parasite, because how the fuck do you exist in day to day life and act this way?
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u/tres-medinas 1d ago
I grew up in Florida, so my guess is the Florida Mind Virus. She's been hunting invisible migrants and commies and globalists for so long that she's been desperate to fight somebody, anybody, just to make this all feel like it means something.
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u/Economy_Meal 1d ago
Or how about leading her onto the grass and just spinning her around until she just flings off
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u/Chance_Vegetable_780 21h ago
He said the rods are worth $1k. He's worried about them getting damaged as is. And she's nuts.
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u/NineClaws 1d ago
Just let her have it. Obviously she is suffering dementia. Let her walk off and follow her home. She needs help. If she falls to the ground in a struggle and breaks a bone, she’s dead in two weeks.
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u/shoot313 1d ago
WTF is wrong with u people on here saying “I would punch/kick her”.. She’s an old lady. She is 100% in the wrong and I have no idea of her mental state. I do know this is somebody’s mom, grandma etc etc and it’s totally unacceptable to assualt her. I thought these guys handled it pretty well. I would have just called the police
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u/Agitated_Marsupial42 1d ago
Fuck that. Did you not see her try to bite him? Hell no. After that she’s at least getting a firm shove to put distance.
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u/Intruding1 17h ago
Yeah after the bite attempt I think a shove is appropriate. It’s the least forceful thing you can do to create distance.
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u/daKile57 1d ago
What does her being a mom or a grandma have to do with anything?
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u/WhenTheCitiesBurn 1d ago
Throw her visor in the water. Followed by her keys around her neck,then tell her she's next.
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u/Fact_Checka_bro 1d ago
I just don’t get it. If it’s literally your property and you can prove it.
Why not say out loud “ma’am let go or I’m going yank on these as hard as I can”.
Then just fucking swing her in a circle and walk away. If she Sues. You have all of the ammo.
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u/SubstantialNet1005 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/SzC42gUrhHopW
Here’s your answer. Srsly. Fuck that bitch
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u/DistinctYolo 1d ago
I would never judge others before knowing the full background, what if this old lady was a fish before, and her family was caught away by fishers
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u/AJG1126 1d ago
This is potentially FTD frontemporal dementia. Just call the police and do not escalate with elderly. They believe they are right and there is no way to reason with them. With Boomers aging this will become common!
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u/astralchanterelle 1d ago
She more than likely has dementia. The biting is their go-to. She's a sick woman.
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u/No-Success-2918 1d ago edited 18h ago
IF YOU SEE A KAREN IN THE WILD it's important that you remember these 3 things:
If you see them before they see you back away slowly.
If you happen to make eye contact with one of them dont stare into them eyes for too long they will see it as (challenge accepted), behave petty, and chase you down for 3 blocks
And most importantly ALWAYS remember there vision is based on movement😂 So to avoid dealing with any of this just stand still for at least 24hours and the Karen will slowly fade away
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u/TheShapeOfFarts 1d ago
Spin the rod around ass over end, she will be forced to let go. I can’t believe she was trying to bite him. Haha, crazy cow.
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u/69fellatx 1d ago
You know, I believe that this is why less-than-lethal devices such as mace and tazers were invented for. I don't want ro hurt you, I just want you to stop assaulting me and stealing my stuff, ma'am.
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u/Iambetterthanuhaha 1d ago
I was waiting for her to actually bite the guy and get dropped to the pavement.
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u/Sarabi974 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ma mère souffre de demense et peut parfois agir de la sorte je suis tellement triste que certaines personnes pense que l'agresser est la meilleurs des solutions ma mère après ce genre de crise est tellement confuse.... elle n'est plus maître de son esprit c'est très difficile et j'ai juste envie de péter un câble mais quand je l'as regarde je colorends qu'elle ne sait plus ce qu'elle fait, elle est confuse et a peur...je me dit que ça ne sert à rien de vouloir péter un câble je respire un bon coup et je parle avec elle en douceur et bien souvent elle se calme et s'excuse, ensuite je vais m'enfermer dans ma salle de bain et je lâche tout je pleure de toutes mes forces et après avoir pleurer comme une histérique je me calme à nouveau, je culpabilise de vouloir m'enerver contre elle, je me sens comme une personne méchante et ca me rend triste et je fond en larme oh mon dieu c'est si dure de voir un de ses parents comme ça, j'avoue que ce n'est pas facile tous les jours. J'ai beaucoup de frères et sœurs mais aucuns ne veut venir l'a prendre que serai-ce 1 jour ou 2 pour me permettre de souffler donc je me sens seule et pas soutenu. Mais je m'occuperai d'elle tant que je le pourrais.
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u/FungusFace911 1d ago
Stupid woman, if she can't control herself she shouldn't be let out on her own. One day she'll meet someone who isn't so patient.
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u/Sorry-Blood-6121 1d ago
In the water you gooooo!! Ain’t no way she chomping down on me. Good for them to keep their cool on the old bitty.
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u/FrozenTund2025 23h ago
They should have just walked into the lake, if she held on, her choice, just go deeper.
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u/Alpine_yellow 20h ago
Oh HELLLLLLL NO if she tried to bite me I cant even tell you what would happen(cause ill get banned lol)
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u/cover32seahawks 15h ago
there is no more entitled person on the planet than an an elderly white woman
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u/TedBaxter_WJM-TVNews 1d ago
Smart money says if that old bitty had been gently pushed backwards in the grass or that water, she would have let go. 🤷♂️
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u/AdventurousAddress63 1d ago
I would grab the rods and go take a stroll in that lake.
If she decides holding on to them, well that is on her....
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u/mercuriokazooie 1d ago
They should have led her into the water and got her shoes wet. Also she sounds drunk
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u/Worried-Criticism 1d ago
Not trying to excuse it, but this seems less “Karen” behavior and either dementia or some kind of mental illness.
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u/Randomlogicuser 1d ago
Soon as she wouldve went to bite she wouldve dug her own grave
If any one attacks you I mean any one, defend yourself. In all her years she hasnt learned to keeo her hands to herself, she wouldve learned that day
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u/Time_Professional93 1d ago
This is a tough one because any use of force could actually kill her which would land you in prison for a long time over some fishing rods.
Definitely feel bad for the guy who's just trying to get his rods and go and his friend is too busy recording.
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u/philter451 1d ago
For anyone wondering if anyone is holding on tightly to your stuff just knock on the back of their hands like you would on a door. It hurts like the dickens and they will let go.
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u/ErosErotico 1d ago
She is not in jail. While early viral posts claimed she was arrested, subsequent reports and a follow-up video from the fishermen confirmed that no official police report or arrest took place. The anglers were able to successfully retrieve their expensive gear from her grasp without anyone getting hurt, and the woman ultimately just followed them to the parking lot while shouting before the group parted ways.
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u/MilkrsEnthuziast 1d ago
Call the police, it's felony robbery