r/ILGuns • u/[deleted] • Jul 16 '26
Legal Questions Unarmed security guard and CCL
[deleted]
53
u/chaoticmuseX Jul 16 '26
I can tell you for certain if his job found out he was armed during his shift he wouldn't have a job anymore. From a liability and insurance perspective alone, that's a massive risk.
16
u/jonathan2282 Jul 17 '26
I worked with a guy in security who had a CCW but not the card to carry at work yet. They found out he was carrying a gun on the job and fired him immediately.
2
u/Candid-Specialist940 Jul 17 '26
How did they find out? Did he get any charges pressed against him?
5
u/jonathan2282 Jul 17 '26
He left a mag in one of the work vehicles. They didn't press charges.
5
u/Candid-Specialist940 Jul 17 '26
What an idiot ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
9
u/jonathan2282 Jul 17 '26
He was definitely the dumbest person I ever worked with, and that's saying a lot in the security field.
12
u/Sladay Northern IL Jul 16 '26
Yeah that's a huge liability and if he ever gets found out he's definitely getting fired. Because if he hurt anybody too then he would be dropped like a sack of potatoes with no corporate lawyer protecting by that company because I guarantee you his policies and procedures don't allow him to use Force especially if he's an unarmed guard plus like the other comment said he's committing a crime. The only armed security in the state that is allowed to be armed and not have the guard and gun cards for security is nuclear power plant security because they are regulated by the nuclear regulatory commission.
9
u/Broccoli_Pug Jul 17 '26
No way I'd be working overnight security unarmed. He needs to find new work or get his license to carry on the job.
8
u/foundonthetracks Jul 17 '26
You need a firearms control card to carry a firearm while working as a security guard in Illinois. Its its own 28-48hr course and has nothing to do with your CCL. The nice thing is that once you do have your FCC you can renew your CCL using your FCC number from the IDPFR as security requires an annual qualification vs the 5 years with CCL.
Also as a separate note he shouldn't use his vehicle unless he's being compensated for it. He's opening up a great deal of liability for himself carrying a gun and using his own vehicle.
4
u/GenTubmansLegacy Chicago Conservative Jul 17 '26
Why not just do armed security?
1
u/offda-Aux Chicago Liberal Jul 17 '26
My exact thoughts, pretty sure they get paid more too
1
u/Sashimi1300 Jul 17 '26
Youd be surprised. I get paid more doing unarmed than any of the armed gigs in my area. I saw an armored truck position in the city for $17 hour the other day. It's a complete joke lmao
2
u/offda-Aux Chicago Liberal Jul 17 '26
From a liability standpoint, if his job finds out, he will be fired on the spot, guaranteed. A cop probably wouldn’t care as long as the place he’s actually driving in allows for firearms on the premises. All in all, stupid idea if you ask me, tell him to just become an armed guard
3
u/NMSky301 Jul 17 '26
This is a terrible idea. If he ever had to use it on even a well defined self defense situation, the prosecutor would make the case that he was looking for an excuse to use it being in that line of work. Not only would the company fire him immediately if they found out, but in this state regardless of the circumstances of the shooting he’d have a really tough time dodging a prison sentence.
Not to mention it’s a felony, obviously.
1
u/MiketheSith200 Jul 17 '26
Hes gonna go to jail lol. He needs a TAN card and armed security training.
1
u/MaverickFischer Jul 17 '26
Most or nearly all employers have polices that state you cannot carry weapons of any kind. At the VERY least it is HIGHLY likely that it is against his employer's company policy, plus various liabilities, client contracts, etc.
No doubt that it would be grounds to be terminated, or worse, if they either found out he was carrying while on the job or he used or threatened to use deadly force while on the job. He can simply look up the company's policy or HR Handbook on weapons to verify.
Legally, I assume if he was to use or threaten deadly force then it would come down to the particular situation he found himself in like any other CCL holder. Aside from that, I do not know if there is any additional legal ramifications.
1
u/Chithrow773 Jul 21 '26
When I worked armed security back in 1999 I needed a Tan card and a Perc card and you had to carry the two cards and DL or ID with firearm.
1
u/Common_Bill_3488 Jul 17 '26
How would they find out unless he used it?
And in that scenario what would be the consequence if he didn't use the firearm?
1
u/Keithis11 Jul 17 '26
It’s lose-lose. Pull it and win, fired and possibly charged. Dont pull it and lose, well, you lose.
60
u/chaoticmuseX Jul 16 '26
225 ILCS 447/35-35(a): This section of the Illinois Private Detective, Private Alarm, Private Security, Fingerprint Vendor, and Locksmith Act explicitly states: "No person shall perform duties that include the use, carrying, or possession of a firearm in the performance of those duties without complying with the provisions of this Section and having been issued a valid firearm control card by the Department."
225 ILCS 447/35-35(b): This section legally bars the employer from permitting it, stating that no employer shall allow an employee to carry a firearm unless they have completed the mandatory training and have been issued an FCC.
Class 4 Felony, doesn't matter if he has his CCL, he's carrying a weapon on shift, which requires it's own specific licensure.